Yes nothing to see here...the MSM does not have a negative slant towards Trump

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https://heatst.com/culture-wars/harvard-study-reveals-huge-extent-of-anti-trump-media-bias/
 

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So, should they (MSM) be like this guy?



Do you expect them (MSM) to report everything is fine when it is not?

I expect them to cover this administration the same way they did the last. When Obama leaked, no big deal. When Hillary deluged, a bigger deal, but still slid. When Trump leaks a minor detail, without divulging source, but NYT divulges the source, Trump is the bad guy, NYT is not.

Consistency. If the left is successful in stopping Trump and his agenda, have you considered the consequences? It won't be situation normal.
 

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I expect them to cover this administration the same way they did the last. When Obama leaked, no big deal. When Hillary deluged, a bigger deal, but still slid. When Trump leaks a minor detail, without divulging source, but NYT divulges the source, Trump is the bad guy, NYT is not.

Consistency. If the left is successful in stopping Trump and his agenda, have you considered the consequences? It won't be situation normal.
Honestly? You don't put ANY blame on Trump at all? His mouth and twitter bs doesn't get ANY blame? Really?
 

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Honestly? You don't put ANY blame on Trump at all? His mouth and twitter bs doesn't get ANY blame? Really?
Sure it does. It's an embarrassment. Much like a lot of social issues, I don't really make it a priority. I've explained what my focus is on. All of this stuff is a sideshow from what matters to me.
 

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Sure it does. It's an embarrassment. Much like a lot of social issues, I don't really make it a priority. I've explained what my focus is on. All of this stuff is a sideshow from what matters to me.
As I imagine the GOP congress is getting frustrated with a President constantly producing more fuel for the fire, you should be getting frustrated with his lack of true agenda movement?
 

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I mean it's a part of political football, esp in the WH.....controlling the message and agenda. But Trump seems to have a lot of ego and emotions preventing him from even getting on message.
 

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As I imagine the GOP congress is getting frustrated with a President constantly producing more fuel for the fire, you should be getting frustrated with his lack of true agenda movement?
I am, no doubt about that. It pales in comparison to my annoyance with the liberal left and MSM though. Im as embarrassed for the MSM as I am with Trump though. They've gone off the damn rails. In the end, it doesn't matter, those who support the agenda of this past election on quickly moving from the center to hard right, at least with the people I've spoken to.
 

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If the left is successful in stopping Trump and his agenda, have you considered the consequences?
How can the left stop Trump and his agenda? Repubs have both houses of congress and the presidency. The only thing (healthcare) that Trump has tried to do got stopped by other Repubs. Don't blame the media for Trump not getting things done.
 

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I am, no doubt about that. It pales in comparison to my annoyance with the liberal left and MSM though. Im as embarrassed for the MSM as I am with Trump though. They've gone off the damn rails. In the end, it doesn't matter, those who support the agenda of this past election on quickly moving from the center to hard right, at least with the people I've spoken to.
I don't know. That's a lot of assumption and unfair grouping, imo. I'm concerned about Russian involvement in global events, and so I want a full investigation (nothing wrong with that). I also want people calling Trump out on his bs. But I agree, that the MSM is trying too hard to win this fight. I've never been a fan of Pelosi or Shumer.....nor Ryan or McConnell either, can't tell me one pair is that much better than the other.

But look at Sanders, he's not wailing for impeachment. And many on the left are wishing the Dems and the MSM would just allow the investigation to proceed without constant prodding and speculation.

But it's like saying that everyone on the right cared that Clinton got head in the oval, or that the investigation and media frenzy wasn't Bill's fault at all.
 
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How can the left stop Trump and his agenda? Repubs have both houses of congress and the presidency. The only thing (healthcare) that Trump has tried to do got stopped by other Repubs. Don't blame the media for Trump not getting things done.

Acutally moe is correct here. They can't. So Trump just needs to just go full steam ahead with his agenda and ignore the media's and the Left's "ankle biters" yapping at him.

He was elected to do specific things, and given a Congress to accomplish them.

Get to work...forget about the whinners and complainers.

Good post moe!
 

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Then slam his mouth, I do. Everything else he should be treated the same.
You don't think the Comey firing could have been handled with more tact? I mean, I think Trump is purposely feeding the media in order to eventually neutralize their power. If so, you can't have it both ways. Either Trump is impulsive and way too ego driven, or he is implementing a strategy that seeks to expose the MSM as biased and therefore unreliable. Either way....he's just pumping out material daily. Tough to expect the MSM or the left to back off.
 

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he is implementing a strategy that seeks to expose the MSM as biased and therefore unreliable

They're doing that to themselves boom with their incessant negative coverage as pointed out in the Harvard study.

There is NOTHING positive he's done in their eyes?

Then why are Trump's suporters not as upset with him as the media and the Left is?
 

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They're doing that to themselves boom with their incessant negative coverage as pointed out in the Harvard study.

There is NOTHING positive he's done in their eyes?

Then why are Trump's suporters not as upset with him as the media and the Left is?
Because he flashed a bunch of EO's, gutted the EPA, appointed a cabinet that has extreme positions in line with his base, and has initiated actions designed to fulfill campaign promises. But you can't really believe that he has truly accomplished a lot....I mean it's early, so that's understandable, but he hasn't been exactly a model of positivity so far.
 

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As I imagine the GOP congress is getting frustrated with a President constantly producing more fuel for the fire, you should be getting frustrated with his lack of true agenda movement?

I think that is it. Forget the MSM or the Dems, Trump is four months in and his own party, which wasn't that crazy about him in the first so, is liking him less and less.
 

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They're doing that to themselves boom with their incessant negative coverage as pointed out in the Harvard study.

There is NOTHING positive he's done in their eyes?

Then why are Trump's suporters not as upset with him as the media and the Left is?
I want Presidents scrutinized viciously. My complaint is with how weak the MSM was on Obama.
 

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I think that is it. Forget the MSM or the Dems, Trump is four months in and his own party, which wasn't that crazy about him in the first so, is liking him less and less.
He burned a lot of bridges. And.....you saw the bunch he was running against. That should tell you how bad Clinton screwed up. If she had not catered to the hard left radicals and instead gone after the middle in the rust belt states.....she would have won in an electoral landslide.
 

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Obama was different........he was a Democrat.

I agree that Obama got somewhat of kid gloves treatment from the media but as far as Trump goes he is bringing a lot of this grief on himself. He simply does not behave like a normal politician that tries to win his points while also trying to appear to play nice. Instead his style is warfare. That style works sometimes in the primaries and it even worked in the General Election since the public was so sick of politicians and since his opponent was so weak, but it just doesn't work day to day as a sitting POTUS.
 

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I agree that Obama got somewhat of kid gloves treatment from the media but as far as Trump goes he is bringing a lot of this grief on himself. He simply does not behave like a normal politician that tries to win his points while also trying to appear to play nice. Instead his style is warfare. That style works sometimes in the primaries and it even worked in the General Election since the public was so sick of politicians and since his opponent was so weak, but it just doesn't work day to day as a sitting POTUS.
Trump is definitely not a normal politician.
 

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Obama was different........he was a Democrat.
He was a two termer who could speak in complete sentences and didn't tweet like a twit and undercut his spokespeople. Or fire his FBI director who was investigating him. Their resumes are different and it certainly shows. Who knew being President was this hard, uh, Obama did.
 

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gutted the EPA, appointed a cabinet that has extreme positions in line with his base

Did you just call conservatism extreme? That is the "other" sides approach, you know. Mirroring, Obama, Hillary, and every other mid-left politician is extreme.
 

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Trump is definitely not a normal politician.
That phrase can be used as a positive AND a negative. Please recognize that fact. Sometimes political football is difficult, and you have to know the game to get anything done. All his loud mouth talk, is just talk, unless ground is gained on the field.
 

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Did you just call conservatism extreme? That is the "other" sides approach, you know. Mirroring, Obama, Hillary, and every other mid-left politician is extreme.
DeVos has extreme views on education. Pruitt has extreme views on the environment and role of the EPA.....etc.... Did you really not know what I meant there? You are you just looking for an opportunity to be a know it all prick?
 

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Did you just call conservatism extreme? That is the "other" sides approach, you know. Mirroring, Obama, Hillary, and every other mid-left politician is extreme.

Definitions of these words change over time but a lot of what Trump advocates would not be considered conservative. Protectionism for one is the complete opposite of classic conservatism.
 

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He was a two termer who could speak in complete sentences and didn't tweet like a twit and undercut his spokespeople. Or fire his FBI director who was investigating him. Their resumes are different and it certainly shows. Who knew being President was this hard, uh, Obama did.
Yeah, those things are not relevant to Trump loyalists. It's all about how there glorious leader is being unfairly attacked by the liberal forces. There is very few (there are some though) on here from the right, that have an unbiased view of his actions.
 

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Definitions of these words change over time but a lot of what Trump advocates would not be considered conservative. Protectionism for one is the complete opposite of classic conservatism.
This is, again, an area where loyalists have lost sight of traditional conservative driven policy, and have hitched EVERYTHING to the "non-politician, doing it for the people, Trump doesn't need money or power, man of the people, true patriot" identity of Trump, and have given him carte blanche over the American nation.
 

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Definitions of these words change over time but a lot of what Trump advocates would not be considered conservative. Protectionism for one is the complete opposite of classic conservatism.

In terms of his stance on trade, I would agree. Immigration is not. Domestic policy has not been. Perhaps libs just don't know their enemy.
 

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Yeah, those things are not relevant to Trump loyalists. It's all about how there glorious leader is being unfairly attacked by the liberal forces. There is very few (there are some though) on here from the right, that have an unbiased view of his actions.

I think I'm one of those. I disagree with him on a variety of Conservative issues, tarriffs among them. However I've also posted I'm surprised at other parts of his agenda and how Conservative he is turnng out to be.

What's amazing to me is even in areas where I would think those on the Left would support him (like 1 billion dollars in infastructure spending...which I also do NOT support) he still draws their wrath.

Their (Left's) hatred for him goes beyond even beyond their own ideology?
 
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Definitions of these words change over time but a lot of what Trump advocates would not be considered conservative. Protectionism for one is the complete opposite of classic conservatism.

This is true, because the John F. Kennedy, Henry "Scoop" Jackson Sam Nunn Democrats of the 60's would not recognize the Democrat Left of today.
 

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I think I'm one of those. I disagree with him on a variety of Conservative issues, tarriffs among them. However I've also posted I'm surprised at other parts of his agenda and how Conservative he is turnng out to be.

What's amazing to me is even in areas where I would those on the Left would support him (like 1 billion dollars in infastructure spending...which I also do NOT support) he still draws their wrath.

Their (Left's) hatred for him goes beyond even beyond their own ideology?
You're not for fixing our infrastructure?

I'm for it, but not now. Our economy isn't in the place for it, imo. Esp with huge tax cuts and potential additional expenditures like a wall.
 

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Because he flashed a bunch of EO's, gutted the EPA, appointed a cabinet that has extreme positions in line with his base, and has initiated actions designed to fulfill campaign promises. But you can't really believe that he has truly accomplished a lot....I mean it's early, so that's understandable, but he hasn't been exactly a model of positivity so far.

There are over 5 Congresional committees, and almost every major news organization in the country looking for evidence of Trump's collusion with Russians to steal the election boom, and they've been at it over a year now.

No one has been able to come up with even a hint of something that could be suggested as collusion that will hold up under scrutiny. If all of that is arrayed against him, where is there room for anything positive to be reported? Where is it being reported?
 

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You're not for fixing our infrastructure?

I'm for it, but not now. Our economy isn't in the place for it, imo. Esp with huge tax cuts and potential additional expenditures like a wall.

I agree with you it should be fixed boom. I'm against transferring 1 billion dollars to the Government and handing it over to politicians to do it. (waste it)

I'd favor competitive bidding in the private sector, and offering the money as seed investment for companies needing better infastructure to build the pot and pay for it on their own, then refund the value added assets back to taxpayers & share holders through greater value added assets or increased profitability.

Aren't we always calling it an "investment"?

So when's the "payoff" to investors? (taxpayers)?