Yikes….worst start for baseball in 3 decades
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1 and done for Mainieri? Seems to say all the wrong things to create support from fans. Not winning. No progress as of now. New era of college sports with NIL. New AD that certainly would love to make a big hire and not doing that in Football or Women’s Basketball soon.
Was hoping it would go well, but I’d be fine with a reset, personally. I guess I’m ok with giving him more time but my concern is longevity to begin with. I don’t want to go down this path where it can be handed over to Monte Lee. So for me I’m not sure why we’d give him 2-3 years to figure it out, especially when the NIL is new to him. This season has been about as bad as it could be. Our fans lost interest under Kingston, but he certainly hasn’t resurrected any interest, even if it hasn’t been a full season.
I think he was a really good coach in the old era of college baseball. I’m sure if he was younger he’d do well here. Just don’t know that we have the time or the right plan longterm in place with him.
Was hoping it would go well, but I’d be fine with a reset, personally. I guess I’m ok with giving him more time but my concern is longevity to begin with. I don’t want to go down this path where it can be handed over to Monte Lee. So for me I’m not sure why we’d give him 2-3 years to figure it out, especially when the NIL is new to him. This season has been about as bad as it could be. Our fans lost interest under Kingston, but he certainly hasn’t resurrected any interest, even if it hasn’t been a full season.
I think he was a really good coach in the old era of college baseball. I’m sure if he was younger he’d do well here. Just don’t know that we have the time or the right plan longterm in place with him.
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Mainieri needs more time. A college coach needs at least 5 years to get his players and his system in place before he can really be judged as being successful or not.
I learned this pearl of wisdom from FGF.
I learned this pearl of wisdom from FGF.
Pitchers who throw strikes doesn't require a lot of coaching. If there is one of those on this staff???
Lack of talent can make a 1st year coach look really bad.
Lack of talent can make a 1st year coach look really bad.
I guess technically '93 would have been our first year of SEC play in baseball. That is a terrible stat but probably true. An SEC start this bad had to be pre-Tanner (meaning Raines), whose first season as coach was '97. It took Ray about 3 season to really put an elite program together (#1 seed in 2000 NCAA tournament) so Mainieri deserves time obviously.
That 2000 season was amazing, but what a crash ending in the tournament. The memories still remain of it all
In today’s game, the excuse for a lack of talent in 1st year isn’t what it used to be. And when your team is worse than it was the previous year, that’s even worse.
With the NIL, you’d think this staff would’ve been able to improve the roster. It’s concerning that we didn’t.
My concern with him is no NIL experience. Sadly, that’s probably as important as the ability to manage the game right now. Need both.
I’m not saying don’t do it. Just that it’s going to be difficult to pull off.
I look at it this way. Yes, that team won an insane amont of games that season and choked in the Supers but also set the tone for future success of our baseball program. I still have the team poster of that season with my Carolina collectibles.That 2000 season was amazing, but what a crash ending in the tournament. The memories still remain of it all
The problem with the “more time” argument here is that Maineri is a stop gap solution. He’s 67 and not gonna be here long enough to build anything.
Are the coaches hands on in the NIL deals???.....I thought they had people for that.....regardless we need a fresh face , a fresh voice and some juice....what our program has become is stomach turning
No NIL experience + very little NIL money = very little success
Lots of NIL experience + very little NIL money = very little succes
I know for a fact USC isn't offering the $$'s other teams are offering.
I’m sure they have people managing it but they have to be able to put team together for what they can afford. Recruiting is more important than ever…and by recruiting I mean managing the payroll. Some schools hiring GMs for this…but can’t imagine a college coach without a GM being ok giving up the building of his roster.
That season convinced me to stop judging college baseball teams by the overall record. A team that was ranked #1 and sported the longest winning streak in the nation couldn't win a super regional at home against a mid-major. Terrible.
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I hear ya and I understand ya. I'm just not as sold on the "building a program" concept anymore in college athletics. I've grown cynical. In the current climate, he could put together a playoff team next year, and the pieces could be blown apart the following year.
GM is my dream job...maybe SC should hire me....first thing I'd do is hire Powell....2nd is call Elon and ask for a lil something....did you see Okl "hired" Trae Young as their GM???....dont know how thats going to work with the NBA thing he has going on
Yep, the bed has been made and very few get to lay in it - and only for a short time.
Which is the nice way of saying college sports is now a bunch of pimps and hoes.
He’s actually the “Assistant GM” to the basketball team. What’s his pay? Well, he donated $1M … so I’d say they just wanted his name, influence, and money.
Mainieri was hired mid-June. Hardly enough time to evaluate the roster and figure out what holes need to be filled, recruit em, and get them here by fall practice.
Next season your point may be valid
Maybe before NIL transfers. Now I’d say 3 years is enough to tell at least with our baseball program. Not like football where there’s no real tradition to piggyback off of
Sadly, this is the way all college sports are now. I'm way past cynical, I am moving into disinterested. I can't make myself be nothing more than a fan of the laundry.
This. He, Monte, Rooney, and Hendry all need a full cycle.
Hendry was off recruiting this weekend, which is why LeCroy was coaching 1B.
Well some of us, those of us who actually are at the games and know what's actually going on, can see that there IS improvement, even if the final score doesn't show it. We also realize that things were worse than we thought, and it would have been just as bad regardless who we hired.
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I get not overhauling and winning. But to be this much worse??? If this were a younger guy, no problem. I’m not saying we should fire the guy. I just don’t know that he’s going to be here long enough to fix it. And I certainly don’t want to see Lee get it.
I get not coming in and turning it around in 1 year, even with the NIL. But to be this bad? And when you already have Lee on the staff? It’s not like they are all brand new.
Again, I’m not saying fire him. Just saying if I were a new AD, I want to make a hire…and it’s between him and Paris. I wouldn’t be shocked to see them have some conversation about what it’s going to take to turn around in the next year or two. If he needs 3 years, I’d could see an AD thinking that’s not worth waiting with his age.
The Queen of the Diamond knows what's up. So, during our ACC and Metro years, did we ever have a start this bad?
Give me a little bit...
You know I can find the answer. However, it's not as easy as the schedule was more spread out then with conference series.
This is showing just how much we lost, both in offensive production (namely Moose and Casas) and even the little bit we had on the mound (i.e. Veach). With only a couple months, it would be nearly impossible to be sure you'll be able to replace them.
I stand corrected then. I was too lazy to Google. I thought SEC play in football started in the fall of '92 so I assumed it was the '92/'93 sports year.
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“This much worse “ imo has little to do with Mainieri as a coach and much more about the decline in recruiting over the years, the attrition at the pitching coach position, losing two Fri starters to injury, and the schedule .
If he’s unable to address and fix the problems he inherited by year 3 then he’s not the guy, but for now I can’t think of a coach in the country that would have done much better at this point
He'll be 70 in year 3, not exactly an age where most men are bursting with energy. One has to question the decision to hire a coach who was eligible for full social security benefits.
That old boy who coached at Rice was older than this guy when he won the national championship, was he not?