you guys need to stop letting Bears tell you Mullen cant recruit...

[Coach34]

Mullen has missed out on a few here and there- but winning helps recruiting. We are about to see what last year's bowl game is going to do to bolster recruiting- we are in the running for some guys that would make this class outstanding (provided Mullen stays that is). That was the only way Crooms was able to pull in some guys before he had to be removed- 2009- the class the year after the bowl game- and he still needed Mullen to finish that one out.<div>
</div><div>Croom had 5 recruiting classes- with 4 of them finishing 39th or lower</div><div>Croom left us with some gaping holes in the team when he was fired also- in his last 2 recruiting classes + 2009 that he did most of the work on- he left us 4 functioning offensive linemen-FOUR in THREE recruiting classes- 5 if you count Tobias Smith who has been hurt for most of his career. You want to know why we are 6-6? There You Go. You cant win with young offensive linemen. Ask Aubarn and their "genius" OC- they have all those 4 and 5 star recruits- but their young- and they finished behind us in nearly every offensive category this season.</div><div>
</div><div>Now then- Croom's last recruits are Jr's and Sr's- they are supposed to be the top players on the team. If you have alot of young guys as your best players- your team usually sux.</div><div>
</div><div>But Mullen has added Vick Ballard, LaDarius Perkins, Nickoe Whitley, Chris Hughes, Malcolm Johnson, Dak Prescott, Jameon Lewis, Deonte Skinner, Dillon Day, Blaine Clausell.....and on and on</div><div>
</div><div>Where Mullen has failed in recruiting is in getting a difference maker at WR, juco offensive linemen to bridge the gap left by Croom, and a badass DE- thats it. Basically- 4 players.</div><div>
</div><div>the "Mullen cant recruit" crap is a Bear myth</div><div>
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[Coach34]

Mullen has missed out on a few here and there- but winning helps recruiting. We are about to see what last year's bowl game is going to do to bolster recruiting- we are in the running for some guys that would make this class outstanding (provided Mullen stays that is). That was the only way Crooms was able to pull in some guys before he had to be removed- 2009- the class the year after the bowl game- and he still needed Mullen to finish that one out.<div>
</div><div>Croom had 5 recruiting classes- with 4 of them finishing 39th or lower</div><div>Croom left us with some gaping holes in the team when he was fired also- in his last 2 recruiting classes + 2009 that he did most of the work on- he left us 4 functioning offensive linemen-FOUR in THREE recruiting classes- 5 if you count Tobias Smith who has been hurt for most of his career. You want to know why we are 6-6? There You Go. You cant win with young offensive linemen. Ask Aubarn and their "genius" OC- they have all those 4 and 5 star recruits- but their young- and they finished behind us in nearly every offensive category this season.</div><div>
</div><div>Now then- Croom's last recruits are Jr's and Sr's- they are supposed to be the top players on the team. If you have alot of young guys as your best players- your team usually sux.</div><div>
</div><div>But Mullen has added Vick Ballard, LaDarius Perkins, Nickoe Whitley, Chris Hughes, Malcolm Johnson, Dak Prescott, Jameon Lewis, Deonte Skinner, Dillon Day, Blaine Clausell.....and on and on</div><div>
</div><div>Where Mullen has failed in recruiting is in getting a difference maker at WR, juco offensive linemen to bridge the gap left by Croom, and a badass DE- thats it. Basically- 4 players.</div><div>
</div><div>the "Mullen cant recruit" crap is a Bear myth</div><div>
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[Coach34]

Mullen has missed out on a few here and there- but winning helps recruiting. We are about to see what last year's bowl game is going to do to bolster recruiting- we are in the running for some guys that would make this class outstanding (provided Mullen stays that is). That was the only way Crooms was able to pull in some guys before he had to be removed- 2009- the class the year after the bowl game- and he still needed Mullen to finish that one out.<div>
</div><div>Croom had 5 recruiting classes- with 4 of them finishing 39th or lower</div><div>Croom left us with some gaping holes in the team when he was fired also- in his last 2 recruiting classes + 2009 that he did most of the work on- he left us 4 functioning offensive linemen-FOUR in THREE recruiting classes- 5 if you count Tobias Smith who has been hurt for most of his career. You want to know why we are 6-6? There You Go. You cant win with young offensive linemen. Ask Aubarn and their "genius" OC- they have all those 4 and 5 star recruits- but their young- and they finished behind us in nearly every offensive category this season.</div><div>
</div><div>Now then- Croom's last recruits are Jr's and Sr's- they are supposed to be the top players on the team. If you have alot of young guys as your best players- your team usually sux.</div><div>
</div><div>But Mullen has added Vick Ballard, LaDarius Perkins, Nickoe Whitley, Chris Hughes, Malcolm Johnson, Dak Prescott, Jameon Lewis, Deonte Skinner, Dillon Day, Blaine Clausell.....and on and on</div><div>
</div><div>Where Mullen has failed in recruiting is in getting a difference maker at WR, juco offensive linemen to bridge the gap left by Croom, and a badass DE- thats it. Basically- 4 players.</div><div>
</div><div>the "Mullen cant recruit" crap is a Bear myth</div><div>
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[Coach34]

Mullen has missed out on a few here and there- but winning helps recruiting. We are about to see what last year's bowl game is going to do to bolster recruiting- we are in the running for some guys that would make this class outstanding (provided Mullen stays that is). That was the only way Crooms was able to pull in some guys before he had to be removed- 2009- the class the year after the bowl game- and he still needed Mullen to finish that one out.<div>
</div><div>Croom had 5 recruiting classes- with 4 of them finishing 39th or lower</div><div>Croom left us with some gaping holes in the team when he was fired also- in his last 2 recruiting classes + 2009 that he did most of the work on- he left us 4 functioning offensive linemen-FOUR in THREE recruiting classes- 5 if you count Tobias Smith who has been hurt for most of his career. You want to know why we are 6-6? There You Go. You cant win with young offensive linemen. Ask Aubarn and their "genius" OC- they have all those 4 and 5 star recruits- but their young- and they finished behind us in nearly every offensive category this season.</div><div>
</div><div>Now then- Croom's last recruits are Jr's and Sr's- they are supposed to be the top players on the team. If you have alot of young guys as your best players- your team usually sux.</div><div>
</div><div>But Mullen has added Vick Ballard, LaDarius Perkins, Nickoe Whitley, Chris Hughes, Malcolm Johnson, Dak Prescott, Jameon Lewis, Deonte Skinner, Dillon Day, Blaine Clausell.....and on and on</div><div>
</div><div>Where Mullen has failed in recruiting is in getting a difference maker at WR, juco offensive linemen to bridge the gap left by Croom, and a badass DE- thats it. Basically- 4 players.</div><div>
</div><div>the "Mullen cant recruit" crap is a Bear myth</div><div>
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[Coach34]

Mullen has missed out on a few here and there- but winning helps recruiting. We are about to see what last year's bowl game is going to do to bolster recruiting- we are in the running for some guys that would make this class outstanding (provided Mullen stays that is). That was the only way Crooms was able to pull in some guys before he had to be removed- 2009- the class the year after the bowl game- and he still needed Mullen to finish that one out.<div>
</div><div>Croom had 5 recruiting classes- with 4 of them finishing 39th or lower</div><div>Croom left us with some gaping holes in the team when he was fired also- in his last 2 recruiting classes + 2009 that he did most of the work on- he left us 4 functioning offensive linemen-FOUR in THREE recruiting classes- 5 if you count Tobias Smith who has been hurt for most of his career. You want to know why we are 6-6? There You Go. You cant win with young offensive linemen. Ask Aubarn and their "genius" OC- they have all those 4 and 5 star recruits- but their young- and they finished behind us in nearly every offensive category this season.</div><div>
</div><div>Now then- Croom's last recruits are Jr's and Sr's- they are supposed to be the top players on the team. If you have alot of young guys as your best players- your team usually sux.</div><div>
</div><div>But Mullen has added Vick Ballard, LaDarius Perkins, Nickoe Whitley, Chris Hughes, Malcolm Johnson, Dak Prescott, Jameon Lewis, Deonte Skinner, Dillon Day, Blaine Clausell.....and on and on</div><div>
</div><div>Where Mullen has failed in recruiting is in getting a difference maker at WR, juco offensive linemen to bridge the gap left by Croom, and a badass DE- thats it. Basically- 4 players.</div><div>
</div><div>the "Mullen cant recruit" crap is a Bear myth</div><div>
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[babbleBrebel]

To me, defense has been the real strength of your very good team last yearand slightly above average team this year. I think Croom recruited most of those guys, but correct me which major contributors committed to Mullen. And I know, McPhee, Cox, etc. signed under Mullen, but I recall Croom had them committed.</p>

 

[missouridawg]

http://mississippistate.scout.com/a.z?s=136&p=9&c=16&yr=2011

Look at the depth Mullen is building in our system... and look at the gaps that Croom left.

When Mullen is in year 5 (dear God pleaselet him coach here this long), we will be an outstanding team with our only question mark at QB and if he performs up to par.

 

[Chesusdog]

You have to factor in losing Diaz and Hudspeth hurt last year.

 

[Coach34]

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[Arthur2478]

Another thing people need to quit doing is to stop judging a recruiting class on signing day. NOBODY knows how good a class is on signing day. It takes a couple of years to see how players develop, who transfers, who flunks out, etc etc.

The evaluators of talent at Scout & Rivals have no qualifications for their job. Wasn't Yancy a golf instructor prior to getting his gig? Wasn't Rosebowl a furniture salesman prior to getting his gig? Why would anybody trust those guy's opinion?

 

[mstatefan88]

There are a ton of kids on this team that Mullen recruited that are going to be solid for us. I will add to your list Griffin, because I think he might could end up being a very solid RB. But we are young on the OL, and I'm convinced in 2 years when Malone, Day, Clausell, Robinson, and a few others have run together for their 2nd or 3rd year in a row that we will have a very solid OL and people will forget how they bashed Mullen and Hevesy for poor OL recruiting, provided they stay of course.

Give him time is all I'm saying. His kids are only sophomores since most of you on here give Mullen little credit for that Croom/Mullen class. We've got a lot more talent and depth now than when Croom left us. And Coach you are right, we are about to see how much of an influence bowls have on recruiting at the end of this year and for next years class.

 

[Shmuley]

nm

 

[whereisomaha.sixpack]

MStateDawg[/b]]Another thing people need to quit doing is to stop judging a recruiting class on signing day. NOBODY knows how good a class is on signing day. It takes a couple of years to see how players develop, who transfers, who flunks out, etc etc.

The evaluators of talent at Scout & Rivals have no qualifications for their job. Wasn't Yancy a golf instructor prior to getting his gig? Wasn't Rosebowl a furniture salesman prior to getting his gig? Why would anybody trust those guy's opinion?

Yes, but is that really an indication of recruiting? I can see what you mean about talent/character evaluation, but if yall are after a player and OM is afterthe sameplayer and we get him, did we not out recruit you? If that players ends up selling crack and never steps on the field that doesnt change the fact that you wanted him and lucked out that he didnt develop. State wanted CJ, Brassell, Moncrief, Golson, Patterson, Thompson, Tobias, Morris etc. So far only a few have produced, but it doesnt change the fact they were all towards the top of your board. Thats what this topic is about... recruiting... not discipline/player development. Now if Mullen brings in a bunch of kids that no one wanted and they end up being better than guys you didnt offer like Prewitt then you have an argument, but losing out on guys you wanted is is a recruiting loss.

 

[gptdawg]

asdf

 

[00Dawg]

You aren't kidding. 2014 with the possibility ofall redshirt seniors on the OL....

 

[Arthur2478]

if yall are after a player and OM is afterthe sameplayer and we get him, did we not out recruit you?

If State offers Jonathan Banks and Ole Miss (or anybody else for that matter) doesn't even know who he is, did we not out recruit you? The only difference is it doesn't show up in the rankings. It only shows up a year or two later.

http://mississippistate.scout.com/a.z?s=136&p=8&c=1&nid=3654609

 

[Sapsdawg]

You judge recruitment on paper with the "winner" decided on signing day. Such a mindset may win you some battles while you get destroyed in the war.

 

[whereisomaha.sixpack]

if yall are after a player and OM is afterthe sameplayer and we get him, did we not out recruit you?

If State offers Jonathan Banks and Ole Miss (or anybody else for that matter) doesn't even know who he is, did we not out recruit you? The only difference is it doesn't show up in the rankings. It only shows up a year or two later.

http://mississippistate.scout.com/a.z?s=136&p=8&c=1&nid=3654609

No itsoutevaluating us. Just like what we did with Peria Jerry, Patrick Willis, and Dex. You out recruited us with Boyd, Cox, and Bumphis. We wanted them. You wanted them. You got them. Evaluating is a huge part of recruiting, butsign 10-15 two stars one or two are going tocome out and surpriseeveryone,its just a matter ofchance. We dont rub Dexter inthe big Florida school's faces because we've had dozen of Florida kids who havent panned out, its justby chancethat one finally did. It may sound like Imnot being objective here, but look at the recruitment of Mathieu. LSU doensthardly ever offer a kid who doesnt have otherBCS offers, but they did with him because they noticed the talent. Mullensignsmore kids without other BCS offers than kids with them. So of courseone or two out of 10-15 are going to comeout and surprise everyone.I do think Mullen is a much better developer of talent and disciplinary,but thats commonknowledge.

 

[Thick]

lost out big time in head-to-head battles with OM. Now if we would have gotten some of those guys, things would be quite different in regards to recruiting on this board. I don't give 2 craps about moral victories in recruiting. "We are in on guys that we would have never been in the discussion in the past". True as that might be, in the future, Dan needs to close a few of those, not all, but some nonetheless. I think (hope) that will begin soon.

 

[FlabLoser]

I can't believe a Rebel is implying that Croom out-recruited Dan on defense. Really?

Don't get your *** whooped by MSU and then question the manner in which is was whooped. Head on back to the house, lick your wounds, and try again next year.

 

[AshleySchaffer]

I believe Dan and his staff recruit hard, its just the fact that he can't close on a recruit the way Ole Miss can (Tobias, CJ) or Auburn can (Jermaine Whitehead and now Channing Ward)

 

[whereisomaha.sixpack]

You judge recruitment on paper with the "winner" decided on signing day. Such a mindset may win you some battles while you get destroyed in the war.

Winning recruitment isnt about rankings but it isnt necessarily about wins either. If one coach is a better coach and the other is a better recruiter, it doesnt mean the better coach winning makes him a better recruiter. If I misread this thread and it says "Dont let black bears tell you Nutt is a better coach/developer than Mullen" then youre right. Being a better coach is always better than being a better recruiter. Thats not what this thread is about.

 

[Foronce]

we will never have had a team built and redshirted like we have the last 3 years

Most of the time we didn't understand why he would rs russell and play tyson lee
or why are you playing harrison-guy and rs eulls
or why are you playing so-so when we need morrow on the edge

i think it is simple... there are growing pains to get to the level of competitive in the SEC
also ms hs fr are not ready ...give them a year to hit the weights and gain weight
then give them 4 years bigger, faster, and stronger


the oline recruiting was the most concerning
he went big frames and now is having to throw weight on them... but he isn't getting to because of depth issues
really wish trapp would have worked out better, think we miss on an important juco at arkansas
i hope we keep hevesy for this offseason because we are going to need a great oline coach this year

 

[57stratdawg]

an OL depth chart that has 5 SEC quality jrs and srs starting, being backed up by 5 SEC quality soph and fresh.

The idea that Croom was suppose to leave us with that is ridiculous.

 

[bulldogbaja]

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[esplanade91]

To me, defense has been the real strength of your very good team last yearand slightly above average team this year. I think Croom recruited most of those guys, but correct me which major contributors committed to Mullen. And I know, McPhee, Cox, etc. signed under Mullen, but I recall Croom had them committed.</p>

I think it has more to do with coaching. Chaney was a Croom guy, but without Balis coming in and telling him to step up his game and putting him in a position to develop and mature his senior year, I don't think he'd have the success he's having now at the next level. The same goes for KJ Wright. Bumphis, Cox, and Tyler Russell, all heralded players out of high school, were all probably headed to other schools before Mullen raked them in (Florida, Bama, South Carolina, in that order). McPhee would have probably ended up at Michigan.

Chaney accepted a scholarship to play for Croom because we were basically the only one who said we'd still take him after he was red flagged for *cheating* on his SAT's, he had been committed to Georgia until they pulled their offer. Sherrod basically lives next to the stadium, so I don't think that's a push... one great offensive lineman in 5 seasons. KJ Wright was an "okay" high school recruit who turned out to be incredible.

The ONLY player Croom recruited and legitimately beat out other schools for was Derek Pegues, and you can chalk that up to two things. Without getting defensive, an African-American 17 year old athlete from a nearby town in Mississippi is going to look favorably at playing for an African-American coach, especially one that is BRAND NEW and has a ton of excitement around him. If yall remember correctly, he was suppose to be a decent hire for us at the time. He peaked in year #1 with Pegues, then he lost to Maine and lost all credibility as a coach by running the laziest team I've ever seen.

People who claim Croom recruited our best players don't know what they're talking about. Croom never did one good thing for our program, even things he gets credit for, like cleaning it up. He didn't do **** to discipline our chain-gang of a team but got all sorts of credit for doing so because he kicked off our best QB at the time for a DUI and obviously kicked out players for shooting a gun on campus... Urban Meyer couldn't have escaped that ultimate decision. There were some questionable players on his teams. Mullen comes in and suspends Dixon one game off the bat for a misdemeanor DUI, makes him chop off his hair, and wake up every morning to do stadiums at 5 am, and every incident after that has had a consistent disciplinary action. Get in trouble, Mullen and Balis make you pay in ways you don't want to. Yet CROOM cleaned up our program...

Croom was a piece of **** I don't ever want to be reassociated with Mississippi State like Jackie is now. He can go to hell along with his similar Herman Cain attributes.

 

[HumpDawgy]

Old Mess definitely pulled in some good talent last year, but we do not know how talented our class is yet since most of them redshirted this year. We will have to see next year. Even then, they might not get a lot of playing time because of talented players ahead of them. A lot of your class not only had to play early, but some had to start. That is never a good thing and is partly the reason you went 2-10 this year. I would never want to see a starting lineup filled with a lot of true freshmen. We saw enough of that during the Croom years.

 

[OMlawdog]

I think its fair to say that Mitchell, Cox, Banks and Boyd are NFL bound. All four committed or signed with Croom.

So add those to: Sherrod, Love, White, Wright, McPhee, Dixon, and Chaney.

That is 11 NFL players that Mullen inherited. Not a ton, but still not bad. By the way the 2010 MSU defense is looking loaded.

I count 8 NFL players on that defense. That is tremendous. That doesn't count Whitley who I think is a NFL player if he recovers from a torn Achilles. He was a Croom commit too.

Look I think that Mullen is a good coach and he recruits to an offensivesystem that works. I also think that his redshirting plan is on the money, offensively I think y'all will be fine if your OL recruiting improves just a little bit. The only issue I see is whether you will be able to replace the defensive talent that Croom either signed or committed. To me defense comes down to athletes, and Croom's 2008 class that he had lined up when Mullen was hired was outstanding defensively. Just outstanding. Im not sure that Mullen has duplicated that type of recruiting on defense yet.

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[Coach34]

"<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">No itsoutevaluating us."</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Thats exactly what recruiting is- evaluating the talent available and getting it on campus. You can do all these wordplay games you want- but signing, evaluating, and developing once they arrive is all part of "recruiting"</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Just because of a bunch of furniture salesmen, out of work golf pros, and pizza chain managers rate a certain player one way- doesnt mean the coaches- who do that **** for a living- rate them the same way. The Jonathan Banks example is perfect. Hell, throw in that 2-star MLB you guys had that plays in San Fran now. Those guys had the God-given talent already- and worked their *** off with the program provided to them in college.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">But they are both still part of "recruiting"- and they didnt help the school's recruiting rankings.</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">
</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Tahoma, Verdana, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">Bottom line is Brassell was never coming to State, Tobias Manning's recruiter got the head job at ULL and took us out of the race, and we lost CJ to a lawyer's daughter that swallows. Those things happen in recruiting. You guys are in the running for Ward and Evans- let's see how that turns out</span></div>

 

[Sapsdawg]

You are still too narrowly focused on what happens on one day and not what happens recruiting wise in a long-term plan/strategy. By your definition, you've out-recruited State the past few years. But have you? No. All schools miss on some guys to a school and gain some from others. The question is how you're recruiting for need, for depth, balancing the big uglies with the skill guys, etc. Having more high profile skill guys that lands you more average stars doesn't mean we're being out recruited. Maybe you SHOULD have been trying to get 6-8 of the guys we were on (or positions of need and depth), but you didn't. That doesn't show up in your stars or rankings, but it shows up on the field. If I could get 25 4 star skill players every year, I would rank high in the recruiting rankings, but I would be a dubmass recruiter.

 

[whereisomaha.sixpack]

You can use any excuse you want atwhy you didnt land Morris, Thompson, Golson, Moncrief, CJ, Tobias, Brassell, etc but they are at OM when you had them at the top of your board. Thats recruiting. And watch what Ward and Evans do? Why? Didnt you guarantee everyone Mullen is headed to PSU? So in a thread about Mullen and Nutt's recruiting ability you want to gauge that on where Ward and Evans end up when Mullen and Nutt arent going to be coaches in MS anymore? Make your mind up and hit the StairMaster

 

[missouridawg]

If Mullen leaves, he's going to leave someone a full stable of o-linemen. The last two classes he has are going to be a pretty special group. It takes those guys until their 3rd year to really contribute. Anything before then is a huge risk and gamble (see Blaine Clausell this year).

I don't get why Croom had no chance at leaving us that? If that fat lazy walrus did his job, he'd probably still be coaching here.

 

[RonnyAtmosphere]

..I'll respond to you, because the answer applies to both of you:


It's not freakin' OM posters claiming Mullen can't recruit...it's MSU posters!


Only coach34 could pull this reality switcharoo crap here, & have people accept it at face value.

 

[whereisomaha.sixpack]

You are still too narrowly focused on what happens on one day and not what happens recruiting wise in a long-term plan/strategy. By your definition, you've out-recruited State the past few years. But have you? No. All schools miss on some guys to a school and gain some from others. The question is how you're recruiting for need, for depth, balancing the big uglies with the skill guys, etc. Having more high profile skill guys that lands you more average stars doesn't mean we're being out recruited. Maybe you SHOULD have been trying to get 6-8 of the guys we were on (or positions of need and depth), but you didn't. That doesn't show up in your stars or rankings, but it shows up on the field. If I could get 25 4 star skill players every year, I would rank high in the recruiting rankings, but I would be a dubmass recruiter.

This is true. But we didnt hit our needs last year? We returned our entire two deep at the OL andmost are underclassmen... we signed 3 OL, seems ok. We lost two starters at LB, one is outfor the entire year due to injury, anda potential starter is kicked off the team... we thenbrought in what everyone regarded at the best LB class in the SEC. We lost our leading receiver and kickedanother starter off... we brought in once again what everyone regarded as thebest WRclass in the SEC. We lost our four deep at DT... we brought inthe top two DTthe year before and RS both and then brought in two JUCO'sin last years class. The only position I felt like we didnt do well with last year was QB and RBwhich are both skill positions. I see your point though and it takes a few years to see where each class' gaps are ,but the past two seem to be only missing 1-2 positions for a balanced class. We will see when we get a real coaching staff on board (hopefully)

 

[Coach34]

evaluating character- is part of recruiting<div>evaluating work ethic so that they will develop their talent- is part of recruiting</div><div>evaluating their maturity level and how much they will improve- is part of recruiting</div><div>determining how they will handle being away from home- is part of recruiting</div><div>
</div><div>recruiting is not just getting 25 signatures and counting up their ratings you ignorant, dick-sucking, crybaby ****. Go home, shave Momma's back again for her, and stay off the computer until you know what the ******* you are talking about</div><div>
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[LightninInside]

 

 

[Arthur2478]

No itsoutevaluating us.

To me, good recruiting is a conglomerate of 3 things:
1-Evaluating talent
2-Projecting physical growth & development (Many players are as good as seniors in HS as they'll ever be. They're at their ceiling and won't get any better)
3-Convincing the kid to come to your school

If you screw up on the first 2, the 3rd doesn't really matter.

 

[Irondawg]

Just using last year, yeah OM outrecruited us for some guys - but we also had some key coaching loses and there were some unusual circumstances ( see CJ) that affected some. I'll give you Thompson and Morris as those didn't have much shady business hinted out and they just went to OM b/c they liked something better.

I'll never count SP and MC guys going to OM as being "outrecruited". But we did lose Hud who had made the real progress with him.

I know we tried on Golson, but honestly not sure how much true effort we put in late b/c I think everyone was shocked he didn't go MLB. (kind of like Alford this year)...but I'll give you that one as well.

Moncrief from Day 1 liked OM so I don't even think we ever had a shot there.

The CJ thing will live in infamy far beyond the Robert Elliott saga

 

[Coach34]

wouldnt you agree that that is pathetic???

 

[rugbdawg]

by Nutt on the recruiting front with the switch of Brassell and Johnson as well as losing Singleton. There could have been a ton of reasons for that: Losing Hudspeth, losing Diaz, Ole Miss cheating. It really doesn't matter...he didn't get the job done last year as well as we had hoped after the good year on the field. Unfortunately, this year the state is a little bit down so our recruiting will suffer. He has done a good job of getting some kids from Louisiana. I can't remember the last time we have had solid players from there.