You must trust the climb

MichiganHerd

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Been climbing for nine years now, since that battle cry went into effect. At some point you need to reach the peak before you run out of air. Maybe TVZ can give the staff more tips on how to run a successful program.
 
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Neal Brown has an idea in his mind how he wants WVU to play.

As of right now I like it. I think this is where a lot of the conference is at.

You attack the LOS on both sides of the ball. You can still spread teams out and do all of that but attack on the LOS.

You can still cover this as well and attack the LOS.
 
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Lesley and Addae are the future there

Addae is attempting to put WVU in position to get a borderline Top 100 recruit next year.

Both of those guys are worth more than VK.
The climb will be about bringing in the needed talent.
 

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I like what I see in Neal Brown. He is bringing a new dimension to the O and D. For years I've been screaming that we don't have enough depth, enough talent, enough bodies on both sides of the line. It was obvious the last few years when our OL couldn't blow out the D for a yard or two in short yard games.
DL recruitment was anemic during the RR years and didn't get much better till now. Brown has concentrated recruiting on both sides of the line.
Additionally we see much more emphasis on coaching support with the addition of more GA's, analysts and coordinators. Developing game plans by looking at the matrix is something that is needed in this day and age.
 

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You take the blue pill - the story ends, you wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill - you stay in Wonderland and I show you how deep the rabbit-hole goes.
 

3xWVUenginEER

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You know in the last 20 years, I’ve heard

Finish Strong
Spot the Ball
Hold the Rope
Stay Humble Stay Hungry—-all the while wearing a yankee hat and having 5 turnovers and losing to a Directional FL that should have never beat you.
Future sire of “Boyd to Haesty —that one never arrived and Boyd’s rmemorable for a Bowl Game *** Kiccking we gave see ——
——-Air Raid
And now it’s
“Trust the Climb”

How bout we say our goal is to just kick the other teams *** and finally beat Oklahoma cause we’ve managed to lose to the Sooners about every way possible to the point it’s getting ridiculous. Shoot Oklahoma Starr is besting us in ways that mirror Oklahoma. We can win vs TX and every school in that state but not Oklahoma——mental block!!!

skip the slogans and just beat people up to where the opponent breaks mentally!
 

WVUALLEN

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You know in the last 20 years, I’ve heard

Finish Strong
Spot the Ball
Hold the Rope
Stay Humble Stay Hungry—-all the while wearing a yankee hat and having 5 turnovers and losing to a Directional FL that should have never beat you.
Future sire of “Boyd to Haesty —that one never arrived and Boyd’s rmemorable for a Bowl Game *** Kiccking we gave see ——
——-Air Raid
And now it’s
“Trust the Climb”

How bout we say our goal is to just kick the other teams *** and finally beat Oklahoma cause we’ve managed to lose to the Sooners about every way possible to the point it’s getting ridiculous. Shoot Oklahoma Starr is besting us in ways that mirror Oklahoma. We can win vs TX and every school in that state but not Oklahoma——mental block!!!

skip the slogans and just beat people up to where the opponent breaks mentally!

You forgot Leave No Doubt

 

CAK125

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Been climbing for nine years now, since that battle cry went into effect. At some point you need to reach the peak before you run out of air. Maybe TVZ can give the staff more tips on how to run a successful program.
Not trying to be sarcastic, but can you explain your math? Trust the climb battle cry went in effect I believe in 2019, which would make it year two, right? I think being a coaches second year deserves a chance to prove that. I would ask where did the other 7 years come from?
 

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Who is our defensive coordinator again? Oh yeah they ran him off because some highschool kid made a social media post. DC by committee is always a bang up idea. Kind of like mixing Stew and Dana was a great idea. Trust the climb!
 

VaultHunter

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I like what I see in Neal Brown. He is bringing a new dimension to the O and D. For years I've been screaming that we don't have enough depth, enough talent, enough bodies on both sides of the line. It was obvious the last few years when our OL couldn't blow out the D for a yard or two in short yard games.
DL recruitment was anemic during the RR years and didn't get much better till now. Brown has concentrated recruiting on both sides of the line.
Additionally we see much more emphasis on coaching support with the addition of more GA's, analysts and coordinators. Developing game plans by looking at the matrix is something that is needed in this day and age.
How many O line recruits under Holgorsen are in the NFL? The same previous staff recruited the D linemen you are more satisfied with.

Holgorsen's biggest flaw was he never could get a top notch defensive coordinator. Koenning here with Holgorsen would have been great.

If Venables comes here instead of Clemson WVU might be in Clemson's position.

But as much as I defend Dana I have to hold him at fault for not securing a Championship Caliper Defensive Staff.
 
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Dana was going to never have the #1 offense in the Big 12

He threw everything into the 2018 team. He has said he didn't think OU could duplicate their 2017 numbers in 2018.
His fault.

Hopefully he learned his lesson.

Neal Brown isn't trying to win games that way.
Look at his approach. A lot of very knowledgeable football people have said Neal Brown and the offense covered a lot of issues on defense with their playcalling.
The opposite was Dana who never cared what type of position the defense was put in.



I see it with almost every team. I don't disagree with the playcalling but it shouldn't be your only way to generate space.

Was those quick passes out to the flat. Instead of attempting to generate space with a power run game.
Dana liked to play finesse and use his WRs as RBs.
At times this was the only way he could open the home run ball. New style of play action.


With this. It didn't matter who the DC was.
Was the inability to play complementary football.
 

3xWVUenginEER

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no offense but WVU doesn’t have the salary cap that Clemson has for recruiting. Clemson has an SEC salary cap for players and they play in the ACC. Venables is made to look a lot better by being in the ACC with SEC players.

As for Holgeorsen, he wasn’t interested in defense. He was Loyola Marymount and Paul Westhead on a football field. Even now at Houston he still doesnt get it——-see collapse last season vs Tulane.

Championship teams have to play defense and be disciplined. Holgorsen’s teams won’t win Titles until he gets that. Come to think of it Mike Leach has never won a title either cause they don’t play good defense either—although it is better by comparison.

How many O line recruits under Holgorsen are in the NFL? The same previous staff recruited the D linemen you are more satisfied with.

Holgorsen's biggest flaw was he never could get a top notch defensive coordinator. Koenning here with Holgorsen would have been great.

If Venables comes here instead of Clemson WVU might be in Clemson's position.

But as much as I defend Dana I have to hold him at fault for not securing a Championship Caliper Defensive Staff.
 

Darth_VadEER

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You know in the last 20 years, I’ve heard

Finish Strong
Spot the Ball
Hold the Rope
Stay Humble Stay Hungry—-all the while wearing a yankee hat and having 5 turnovers and losing to a Directional FL that should have never beat you.
Future sire of “Boyd to Haesty —that one never arrived and Boyd’s rmemorable for a Bowl Game *** Kiccking we gave see ——
——-Air Raid
And now it’s
“Trust the Climb”

How bout we say our goal is to just kick the other teams *** and finally beat Oklahoma cause we’ve managed to lose to the Sooners about every way possible to the point it’s getting ridiculous. Shoot Oklahoma Starr is besting us in ways that mirror Oklahoma. We can win vs TX and every school in that state but not Oklahoma——mental block!!!

skip the slogans and just beat people up to where the opponent breaks mentally!

Trust the Climb is starting to feel similar to a political slogan used during an election...means very little, but repeated ad nauseam and used to undercut dissent.
 

Butler-eer

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How many O line recruits under Holgorsen are in the NFL? The same previous staff recruited the D linemen you are more satisfied with.

Holgorsen's biggest flaw was he never could get a top notch defensive coordinator. Koenning here with Holgorsen would have been great.

If Venables comes here instead of Clemson WVU might be in Clemson's position.

But as much as I defend Dana I have to hold him at fault for not securing a Championship Caliper Defensive Staff.

We do have a few DL in the last couple classes that are very good. Only a couple OL. But compare that to most of the other P5 programs that are mid to high ranking in their conferences. We just don't produce enough NFL talent. Our body count on both sides of the line has been on the very low side compared to most of the P5 teams.
Point being, it's nice to see Brown putting an emphasis on recruiting big bodies in the numbers that we need to compete.
And I agree with the DC comments. Holgs just didn't evaluate DC's the way he should have. Our AD's didn't make it a priority to jump in and insist that we bring in an A+ DC. Holgs and RR were always offense oriented and lived and died by it. Mostly died.
 

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It doesn't matter individually how good your O or D is. You have to have both. Look at the best teams in the SEC, ACC, B1G, B12. All have dynamic O's that can blow you off the line and spread the field. They have DL that can bull rush you into the bleachers. Just take a look at the best teams in the SEC. Bama and LSU were dominating on both sides. Loved the way Orgeron played. Smash mouth football, run right over top of you then when you tried to stop the run they went up top. D was big and fast at every position. He even sounded like he would walk right through you. He hurt my throat just listening to him.
 

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It doesn't matter individually how good your O or D is. You have to have both. Look at the best teams in the SEC, ACC, B1G, B12. All have dynamic O's that can blow you off the line and spread the field. They have DL that can bull rush you into the bleachers. Just take a look at the best teams in the SEC. Bama and LSU were dominating on both sides. Loved the way Orgeron played. Smash mouth football, run right over top of you then when you tried to stop the run they went up top. D was big and fast at every position. He even sounded like he would walk right through you. He hurt my throat just listening to him.

Fun fact. He played a farmer in The Water Boy Movie..

 
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But you do have to understand that your offense can suffer at times because you don't want to put your defense in bad positions.


Just matters how you want to look at it.
Things have changed. If you look at last year's Super Bowl you see this

49ers were a team that had numerous ways to move the ball on the ground. Deebo Samuel was even like a RB when he got his hands on the ball.

Plus their defense was positioned around a dominating pass rush.
Attack the LOS with your DLine

But a good QB and an attacking offense ended up winning....



I am not going to **** on Dana. Some of his ideas on offense are elite.

But Dana didn't realize that he was never going to be able to have more weapons than other Big 12 teams until the end.



If you rewatch WV you see where Neal Brown wants to take the team....

Just matters about getting the right players.

Oklahoma is really not that great of a team. They aren't elite yet all over the field

Even their current D can't stop the run.


If you can move the ball efficiently....
Can attack others with a pass rush you can control games.

Just look at Iowa State vs WVU the last two years
Ultimately that is where Brown wants to go with maybe more top end talent
 
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LSU was cutthroat last year

They would from the first play look to attack you downfield

To get to that level you have to be like that.

But the rest of the stuff is true. You need a base of being a physical team.

Even LSU made the change on D. They are going back to being a team who wants to generate a pass rush from their DL instead of LBs.