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I'll tell ya what- all you people that want to compare Croom to Cohen- here's your chance.

I could take the %#%%#!@ (sorry) Bad News Bears and beat JSU. You can say that we are the Bad News Bears, but I'm fairly certain that the Bad News Bears have balls, and I would not want to disgrace the Bad News Bears when they don't deserve it.

That said- this is 100% on Cohen. We should NEVER lose to JSU in baseball, I don't care how bad we are. Yes, the umpiring was bad- I was there- but that said, there is no way on Earth that we should even be in a position against them to where the umpiring could even potantially have an effect on the game. If you want more evidence against Cohen, I submit this- Jaron Shepherd and Ryan Duffy were not in the lineup tonight. Duffy MAY have been hurt. I can excuse that a little bit, but by the fifth inning, when there is even a smidgen of a chance that the game could be close- put your big guns in- relatively speaking of course. Even worse, Jaron should have taken the last at bat, not a slumping Ryan Collins, who predictably grounded out to end the game. And again, there was no reason why this game should have been close. JSU doubled their hits against us. Unexcusable. Also we had more errors than they did. Also unexcusable. I'm not sure how or if we prepared for this game- meaning I don't know if we took batting practice or not, but whatever we did or did not do to prepare, it should be totally rexamined.

Honestly, Cohen is lucky that we do not have an AD right now, because I would have to fire him after this. I don't care how bad the situation is. You just don't do this. And yes, I still like him personally, but unlike the Polk cronies, I love MSU baseball more than I like Cohen. Before tonight, I said that year four would be fair to judge him. After tonight, go ahead and trim off a year. He better hope that these freshmen coming in are as good as he (and I'll admit it, I to) think they are going to be. Because honestly, they are about the only thing that can save him at the moment in my eyes.

I think I've bashed on Cohen enough now. I do know enough about baseball to know that the coach can only do so much. If I'm going to pick a goat tonight- and I have a whole %#%%#!@ herd her to pick from- it would have to be Cody Freeman who let JSU run at will, threw a ball into CF that eventually allowed one run to come in, and then could not block a ball allowing another run to come in. He had a complete performance by not doing **** at the plate.

As far as the hitters in general- they tried to work the count even though the umpire had a homer strike zone that moved around. And just to be clear again- no, I'm not blaming this on the umpire. What I am blaming it on is the hitters who kept trying to work walks. When an umpire has a wide strike zone, swing the bat. And yes, I know that caused us to swing at some bad pitches, but ****, that's better than standing there and hoping the SWAC umpire is going to call it fairly when he hasn't done that all evening.

And I also finally want to respond to another post on BDJ about the upperclassmen having "more pride than the freshmen who don't know what it means to play for MSU"- that had very little credibility with me to start with, and now it's just laughable because I know MSU baseball, and this is sure the hell not what it's about. I hope our freshmen don't learn how to play like Jet Butler and Ryan Collins. I mean ****. And especially tonight when our best player other than Conner Powers was one of those freshmen-Kendall Graveman- who "lacked pride".

Finally again- that's why it's called a rant people- all of you talking about Oregon- it's pretty clear we made a mistake. We should have just cut everyone, shut the program down for a year, and then started all over agian. At least Oregon didn't have to deal with a bunch ****** players with ****** attitudes that play the game the wrong way. SO to the players, I say this. Nothing is better than you. !%$# you.

Love, Todd4State
 

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I'll tell ya what- all you people that want to compare Croom to Cohen- here's your chance.

I could take the %#%%#!@ (sorry) Bad News Bears and beat JSU. You can say that we are the Bad News Bears, but I'm fairly certain that the Bad News Bears have balls, and I would not want to disgrace the Bad News Bears when they don't deserve it.

That said- this is 100% on Cohen. We should NEVER lose to JSU in baseball, I don't care how bad we are. Yes, the umpiring was bad- I was there- but that said, there is no way on Earth that we should even be in a position against them to where the umpiring could even potantially have an effect on the game. If you want more evidence against Cohen, I submit this- Jaron Shepherd and Ryan Duffy were not in the lineup tonight. Duffy MAY have been hurt. I can excuse that a little bit, but by the fifth inning, when there is even a smidgen of a chance that the game could be close- put your big guns in- relatively speaking of course. Even worse, Jaron should have taken the last at bat, not a slumping Ryan Collins, who predictably grounded out to end the game. And again, there was no reason why this game should have been close. JSU doubled their hits against us. Unexcusable. Also we had more errors than they did. Also unexcusable. I'm not sure how or if we prepared for this game- meaning I don't know if we took batting practice or not, but whatever we did or did not do to prepare, it should be totally rexamined.

Honestly, Cohen is lucky that we do not have an AD right now, because I would have to fire him after this. I don't care how bad the situation is. You just don't do this. And yes, I still like him personally, but unlike the Polk cronies, I love MSU baseball more than I like Cohen. Before tonight, I said that year four would be fair to judge him. After tonight, go ahead and trim off a year. He better hope that these freshmen coming in are as good as he (and I'll admit it, I to) think they are going to be. Because honestly, they are about the only thing that can save him at the moment in my eyes.

I think I've bashed on Cohen enough now. I do know enough about baseball to know that the coach can only do so much. If I'm going to pick a goat tonight- and I have a whole %#%%#!@ herd her to pick from- it would have to be Cody Freeman who let JSU run at will, threw a ball into CF that eventually allowed one run to come in, and then could not block a ball allowing another run to come in. He had a complete performance by not doing **** at the plate.

As far as the hitters in general- they tried to work the count even though the umpire had a homer strike zone that moved around. And just to be clear again- no, I'm not blaming this on the umpire. What I am blaming it on is the hitters who kept trying to work walks. When an umpire has a wide strike zone, swing the bat. And yes, I know that caused us to swing at some bad pitches, but ****, that's better than standing there and hoping the SWAC umpire is going to call it fairly when he hasn't done that all evening.

And I also finally want to respond to another post on BDJ about the upperclassmen having "more pride than the freshmen who don't know what it means to play for MSU"- that had very little credibility with me to start with, and now it's just laughable because I know MSU baseball, and this is sure the hell not what it's about. I hope our freshmen don't learn how to play like Jet Butler and Ryan Collins. I mean ****. And especially tonight when our best player other than Conner Powers was one of those freshmen-Kendall Graveman- who "lacked pride".

Finally again- that's why it's called a rant people- all of you talking about Oregon- it's pretty clear we made a mistake. We should have just cut everyone, shut the program down for a year, and then started all over agian. At least Oregon didn't have to deal with a bunch ****** players with ****** attitudes that play the game the wrong way. SO to the players, I say this. Nothing is better than you. !%$# you.

Love, Todd4State
 

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I'll tell ya what- all you people that want to compare Croom to Cohen- here's your chance.

I could take the %#%%#!@ (sorry) Bad News Bears and beat JSU. You can say that we are the Bad News Bears, but I'm fairly certain that the Bad News Bears have balls, and I would not want to disgrace the Bad News Bears when they don't deserve it.

That said- this is 100% on Cohen. We should NEVER lose to JSU in baseball, I don't care how bad we are. Yes, the umpiring was bad- I was there- but that said, there is no way on Earth that we should even be in a position against them to where the umpiring could even potantially have an effect on the game. If you want more evidence against Cohen, I submit this- Jaron Shepherd and Ryan Duffy were not in the lineup tonight. Duffy MAY have been hurt. I can excuse that a little bit, but by the fifth inning, when there is even a smidgen of a chance that the game could be close- put your big guns in- relatively speaking of course. Even worse, Jaron should have taken the last at bat, not a slumping Ryan Collins, who predictably grounded out to end the game. And again, there was no reason why this game should have been close. JSU doubled their hits against us. Unexcusable. Also we had more errors than they did. Also unexcusable. I'm not sure how or if we prepared for this game- meaning I don't know if we took batting practice or not, but whatever we did or did not do to prepare, it should be totally rexamined.

Honestly, Cohen is lucky that we do not have an AD right now, because I would have to fire him after this. I don't care how bad the situation is. You just don't do this. And yes, I still like him personally, but unlike the Polk cronies, I love MSU baseball more than I like Cohen. Before tonight, I said that year four would be fair to judge him. After tonight, go ahead and trim off a year. He better hope that these freshmen coming in are as good as he (and I'll admit it, I to) think they are going to be. Because honestly, they are about the only thing that can save him at the moment in my eyes.

I think I've bashed on Cohen enough now. I do know enough about baseball to know that the coach can only do so much. If I'm going to pick a goat tonight- and I have a whole %#%%#!@ herd her to pick from- it would have to be Cody Freeman who let JSU run at will, threw a ball into CF that eventually allowed one run to come in, and then could not block a ball allowing another run to come in. He had a complete performance by not doing **** at the plate.

As far as the hitters in general- they tried to work the count even though the umpire had a homer strike zone that moved around. And just to be clear again- no, I'm not blaming this on the umpire. What I am blaming it on is the hitters who kept trying to work walks. When an umpire has a wide strike zone, swing the bat. And yes, I know that caused us to swing at some bad pitches, but ****, that's better than standing there and hoping the SWAC umpire is going to call it fairly when he hasn't done that all evening.

And I also finally want to respond to another post on BDJ about the upperclassmen having "more pride than the freshmen who don't know what it means to play for MSU"- that had very little credibility with me to start with, and now it's just laughable because I know MSU baseball, and this is sure the hell not what it's about. I hope our freshmen don't learn how to play like Jet Butler and Ryan Collins. I mean ****. And especially tonight when our best player other than Conner Powers was one of those freshmen-Kendall Graveman- who "lacked pride".

Finally again- that's why it's called a rant people- all of you talking about Oregon- it's pretty clear we made a mistake. We should have just cut everyone, shut the program down for a year, and then started all over agian. At least Oregon didn't have to deal with a bunch ****** players with ****** attitudes that play the game the wrong way. SO to the players, I say this. Nothing is better than you. !%$# you.

Love, Todd4State
 

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It's 100% on both. That's why it's called a team.

Together that is what they are. It's 100% on the team- Cohen and the players.
 

Todd4State

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O'Conner is a good coach- no doubt about it. And he would come into a situation with two highly rated classes. I'd take him. We need to get away from the Polk tree period.
 

State82

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Todd, I have to hand it to you. That was classic! And I agree with exactly 100% of it. Every word. Nuff said.
 

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Thank you for giving me something to be excited about after a horrible loss.
 

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Todd4State said:
I'll tell ya what- all you people that want to compare Croom to Cohen- here's your chance.

I could take the %#%%#!@ (sorry) Bad News Bears and beat JSU. You can say that we are the Bad News Bears, but I'm fairly certain that the Bad News Bears have balls, and I would not want to disgrace the Bad News Bears when they don't deserve it.

That said- this is 100% on Cohen. We should NEVER lose to JSU in baseball, I don't care how bad we are. Yes, the umpiring was bad- I was there- but that said, there is no way on Earth that we should even be in a position against them to where the umpiring could even potantially have an effect on the game. If you want more evidence against Cohen, I submit this- Jaron Shepherd and Ryan Duffy were not in the lineup tonight. Duffy MAY have been hurt. I can excuse that a little bit, but by the fifth inning, when there is even a smidgen of a chance that the game could be close- put your big guns in- relatively speaking of course. Even worse, Jaron should have taken the last at bat, not a slumping Ryan Collins, who predictably grounded out to end the game. And again, there was no reason why this game should have been close. JSU doubled their hits against us. Unexcusable. Also we had more errors than they did. Also unexcusable. I'm not sure how or if we prepared for this game- meaning I don't know if we took batting practice or not, but whatever we did or did not do to prepare, it should be totally rexamined.

Honestly, Cohen is lucky that we do not have an AD right now, because I would have to fire him after this. I don't care how bad the situation is. You just don't do this. And yes, I still like him personally, but unlike the Polk cronies, I love MSU baseball more than I like Cohen. Before tonight, I said that year four would be fair to judge him. After tonight, go ahead and trim off a year. He better hope that these freshmen coming in are as good as he (and I'll admit it, I to) think they are going to be. Because honestly, they are about the only thing that can save him at the moment in my eyes.

I think I've bashed on Cohen enough now. I do know enough about baseball to know that the coach can only do so much. If I'm going to pick a goat tonight- and I have a whole %#%%#!@ herd her to pick from- it would have to be Cody Freeman who let JSU run at will, threw a ball into CF that eventually allowed one run to come in, and then could not block a ball allowing another run to come in. He had a complete performance by not doing **** at the plate.

As far as the hitters in general- they tried to work the count even though the umpire had a homer strike zone that moved around. And just to be clear again- no, I'm not blaming this on the umpire. What I am blaming it on is the hitters who kept trying to work walks. When an umpire has a wide strike zone, swing the bat. And yes, I know that caused us to swing at some bad pitches, but ****, that's better than standing there and hoping the SWAC umpire is going to call it fairly when he hasn't done that all evening.

And I also finally want to respond to another post on BDJ about the upperclassmen having "more pride than the freshmen who don't know what it means to play for MSU"- that had very little credibility with me to start with, and now it's just laughable because I know MSU baseball, and this is sure the hell not what it's about. I hope our freshmen don't learn how to play like Jet Butler and Ryan Collins. I mean ****. And especially tonight when our best player other than Conner Powers was one of those freshmen-Kendall Graveman- who "lacked pride".

Finally again- that's why it's called a rant people- all of you talking about Oregon- it's pretty clear we made a mistake. We should have just cut everyone, shut the program down for a year, and then started all over agian. At least Oregon didn't have to deal with a bunch ****** players with ****** attitudes that play the game the wrong way. SO to the players, I say this. Nothing is better than you. !%$# you.

Love, Todd4State
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It's about f*cking time.
 

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a proud baseball tradition, and you expect to build on that soon, but I think comparisons to the Maine debacle are off base- and I realize you aren't the one who made the comparison. For guys like you, which I assume were around in the late 80s/early 90s, State should never lose a baseball game to JSU, but **** happens. I know as a fan base the cliche was overused under Polk, but that's baseball- you know that better than anybody. I'm not saying you or anybody else shouldn't be pissed, but damn, if it's as bad as you and others have thought all year, then this shouldn't be that surprising.
 

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Totally unacceptable.<div>
</div><div>I'm sure Polk and Templeton were sneaking around somewhere.</div>
 

Todd4State

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Really? We are an SEC team- a horrible one- but still. No. This is not "some fluke". I was there. We played like horseshit. Honestly, to me this worse than Maine. I bet Delta State would kick JSU's ***.

And I'll say this- if those players thing Cohen is bad, they don't want to know what I would do to them. I'll say this- it involves furniture flying and enough uses of the word !%!@ and %@+#*## to make George Patton say "Hey, Todd maybe you need to watch your mouth."

Seriously, I would take the MSU logo off of their uniforms for the rest of the year.
 

Todd4State

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llmsudawg said:
Totally unacceptable.<div>
</div><div>I'm sure Polk and Templeton were sneaking around somewhere.</div>


And guess what? He sucked to.

At least Cohen is not going to say "Well, that's baseball". I have that at least.
 

Maroon Eagle

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...have them wear the old-style crappy M-Banner-State logo caps for the rest of the year.
 

maroonmania

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Cohen has got to do some big time self evaluation after letting ANY MSU baseball team play to this level. I also think Cohen needs to meet with the team in a very calm manner and essentially ask that if there are players that don't want to play for him OR don't want to play with pride with the MSU uniform on to please leave the team NOW (not to wait until the season is over). Whatever is poisoning the chemistry of this team it needs to stop right now. This season ended in Tuscaloosa for all intents and purposes so what games we have left to play need to be used for the purpose of building a base for next year and right now it just ain't happenin'.
 

rebel law

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He made the CWS last year (obviously). Why do you think he would leave? It's all hypothetical of course but just curious.
 

Todd4State

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rebel law said:
He made the CWS last year (obviously). Why do you think he would leave? It's all hypothetical of course but just curious.


in all honesty. But that said, everyone has a price. If we make him an offer that he couldn't refuse, that would certianly increase our chances with him.

Also- edit to add- we're in the SEC, we have a great baseball history, it would be easy to improve on what has been done win/loss wise.

Personally, I would definately leave Virginia for MSU. Yes, I am an alum and a fan, but this is still a very attractive job to anyone.
 

Todd4State

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Maroon Eagle said:
...have them wear the old-style crappy M-Banner-State logo caps for the rest of the year.


of wearing anything associated with MSU. Why would I want to embarass Derek Pegues?
 

rebel law

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I'm not flattering ourselves but we had a pretty good ball club last year and y'all came to Oxford and took 2. That was something positive everyone could point to for the 2009 season. I'm not sure what you take away from the 2010 season to build on besides Stratton and Graveman. I would include Bracewell but who knows what will happen with him with this injury. Cohen needs next year's class to come in and at least provide some excitement to get everyone back on board behind him. I would also highly reccomend cutting out all the errors and just bad fundamentals in general. A fanbase with the baseball IQ of MSU's notices that and gets real pissed off about not doing the small things right. Being captain obvious but MSU needs some of the freshman arms to show alot of improvement from year 1 to year 2, next year's class position player wise to be as good as advertised, and get some production out of 1 or 2 JUCO bats which is easier said than done. Do that, win in the low to mid 30's, grab one of the last spots for Hoover, make a regional, and show on the field results to ease everyone's fears. Bring in another great class in 2012 and let that year be the coming out party of sorts. Just my .02 cents. Cohen just doesn't need anything close of a repeat of 09 or 10 or things will start getting pretty hairy.
 
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That means either the coaching sucks or the players don't care, which I guess also means the coaches suck.

If the guys were playing balls out, swinging the bats, running hard, and playing good-but-not-great-defense you'd have a lot to be excited about. It would be obvious that experience was holding you back. But losing to JSU after getting swept by your rival when you probably would have won the series had you played even bad defense says a lot about the coaches and their ability to manage the team.
 

Todd4State

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that series was part of that late run, or whatever you want to call it.

If I were Cohen, the first thing I would do is definately lighten up my schedule. That's not an excuse for this year, but if my job was on the line and I was counting on playing JUCO's and freshmen, I'm not going to take on Virginia. Again, not an excuse but we need to have better luck with injuries. We've lost about 10 players to them, and that just kills you- especially when it's one of your top pitchers.

I think I agree with pretty much all of your post- it's late and I'm still pissed, so I'm not thinking all that great.

But as I have said about the fundamentals- these players that we currently have could not play defense under Polk as well. I personally think that they can't play defense not because we aren't practicing it enough,or because Cohen can't teach it- but because they suck. But as I have also said, if these new recruits come in and they can't perform- and that would be two classes that are rated highly by unbiased/neutral sources- it's probably not the players.

Well, now that I look at your post again- I take it back- I do disagree with you on one thing- things ARE starting to get hairy.
 

Todd4State

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but having watched this team in person several times, including tonight, I really don't think they are tanking it.

I really do think that they are trying to do the best that they can.

If you want to see/read about a team tanking it, read about the 1919 Chicago Black Sox. For a team to tank a game, it's usually pretty obvious. And it's really hard to make it NOT obvious. Like the 1919 White Sox had a guy Lefty Williams who was in on the fix and was thinking about backing out until the mob threatened to kill his wife. So, he went into the last game of the World Series and threw all fastballs down the middle of the plate at a "very obviously slower than normal rate". That's the kind of stuff you would see if a team was tanking it. And I just don't see stuff like that from these players.

I'll say this- if they are tanking it, I would be surprised.
 
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but after watching the series against us over the weekend, it seems like they almost expect to lose.

They just don't seem to have the fight in them that you would expect to see out of a SEC program.
 

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so now it is on Cohen that these losers got all of three hits. Three hits on JSU. What's next-----Cohen is responsible for the middle east or maybe Cohen started the recession. Some of you are complete idiots.
 

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JimHalpert said:
but after watching the series against us over the weekend, it seems like they almost expect to lose.



They just don't seem to have the fight in them that you would expect to see out of a SEC program.


I might have misunderstood- I thought you saying that they were possibly tanking games.

But that's exactly why I say that they are pussies. They don't have any pride whatsoever.
 

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so now it is on Cohen that these losers got all of three hits. Three hits on JSU. What's next-----Cohen is responsible for the middle east or maybe Cohen started the recession. Some of you are complete idiots.


and my wooly expectation of kicking JSU's *** in pretty much anything.

And yes, considering that Cohen is one of the main hitting coaches, I think that's reasonable to pin some of the blame on him.

It's also extremely reasonable to blame him for not playing Jaron and maybe Duffy. I say maybe on him because I know that he was hurt, but was able to play.

I also did my fair share of calling out the players as well- actually, I think I called them out more than Cohen.

Heck, I even called out a guy on BDJ, who apparently is upset that I misconstrued what he said. Last time I checked, a few didn't mean all, but it sure meant three-four. And considering that's how many guys that are freshmen on our pitching staff, including Kendall Graveman, I just played the odds.
 

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Cohen should at least have three recruiting classes in before he gets fired for lack of results. To me this is his first year--he had no recruit of note and played with Polk's guys his first year. Hey, after three years of his recruits, if there are no results, fire him for lack of production, but some of y'all really don't know what a complete disaster Polk left. It is going to take Cohen or another coach two more years to be competative. He really should have cut all of Polk's players and started from scratch. It's amazing that he has won everywhere he has been and been a national coach of the year, yet we are ready to run him.
 

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we needed a late rally last year to beat JSU 8-7 in a midweek, and we were good enough to host a regional last year, and we only beat them 5-3 the year before. They're still a SWAC team, but they've been one of the better SWAC teams the last few years. That won't make you feel any better about it I'm sure, but I'll throw it out there.

ETA: I say all that to say that this isn't the type of SWAC team you should expect to beat 15-2 like you normally would, especially if they throw their best pitching at you, which they did to us the past two years and nearly beat us twice.
 

futaba.79

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Great State teams have managed to lose to JSU. And it shocks you that a crappy one did?
 

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UVA. msu has a great baseball tradition...from a number of yrs back, but in baseball you can win anywhere. UVA has everything a coach needs plus its a beautiful campus and great part of the country. i don't know why a guy would leave there for msu....or ole miss....to coach baseball. football, maybe cause the sec is the big leagues but in baseball again you can win anywhere. so if they're willing to pay him at all what a top baseball coach should make it would be tough to move him, IMO.</p>
 

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....because Todd takes a routine comparison that anyone could make....the Black Sox scandal....and ratchets it up by dropping individual player names (and not Shoeless Joe Jackson!), along with their individual situations, and a game recap from 91 years ago.

This is why he's the World Famous Todd4State.
 

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quit. I'm not sure if they will win another game. If they quit on MSU, then I don't really see why they should wear the uniform for the rest of the year. If it were up to me, I'd have them in t-shirts the rest of the year. This is pathetic. Cohen needs to figure something out quick.