Screw you, man. I’ll listen to SiriusXM whenever the heck I feel like it, grandpa!
Plus people generally get the idea to leave me alone…gotta get all my sports talk shows in.
Young employees and work
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Plus people generally get the idea to leave me alone…gotta get all my sports talk shows in.
My friend deals with hiring for a call center. He told me of the 40 job offers that are accepted 3-4 typically don’t show up on the first day of training. Then several more stop showing up after the first few days of training. They lose several more before the end of the training period. So they’re usually left with maybe half of what they started with. I’m sure call center jobs isn’t exactly a glamour gig. But that’s just amazing to me.
Call center is like the lowest of the low jobs as far as I'm concerned. Sit on the phone and get yelled at, berated, and insulted by a bunch of morons all day long.
Ummmmm, Europeans take a month or more off every year and they seem to be doing just fine. Why would you want to think we're put here to work? Work is what you have to do to do what you want to do. a month off should be mandatory not some pipedream. America created the 40 hour work week with only two weeks off and it's a stupid concept in general, espcially depending on the kind of work you're doing.
Until recently quitting the service industry I was taking two full months a year off, one month straight through twice a year. Could easily see myself going back to that at some point just for the lifestyle and living wherever the eff you want.
Work work work. And we wonder why our society is so depressed? Combine it with piss poor nutrition and you’ve got 75% of the population overweight or obese.
I haven’t worked a normal 9-5 in a couple years. I do side jobs and gig work. Been great. I have a pretty good amount of money in the bank to im moving to Arizona next month because life is too short and why the hell not. Plan to stay 2-3 years then move somewhere else. I couldn’t imagine doing the same thing for 30 years, that’s a prison
lot of people here need to start living their life before it’s over. Companies don’t give a **** about you so treat them the same way
Amen to that. Bragging about spending 50-60 hours a week at work while you don’t see your kids or spouse and miss out on core moments, isn’t the flex people think it is.
I used to have that mentality. Sure as hell do not now. Companies don’t give a **** about you. This notion that people should just be miserable in jobs that pay crap but enrich others and never want anything more for themselves is ridiculous.
Adapt or die. Make your job more appealing via working conditions or increase the pay. Pretty simple.
Problem here lies in the fact that Inflation is WAAAAYYY outpricing salaries. I don't think all kids want it all right now but they'd like to have it one day and it looks bleak to them. When salaries are the same for like 30 years but the price of a home or car goes up 1000% in the same time period it's not the same opportunity.
that can work for some people with a certain lifestyle. It can't work on a grand scale with a 24 hr society. Eventually things need to be made or fixed. People need services.
If you want to retire early/comfortably, working very hard in your early career and putting a lot into savings is the way to go for most. If you want more free time early, there are going to be financial trade-offs down the road.
On top of that when they offer zero down 30 year mortgages + student loan debt which is significantly higher than 30 years ago + 0 down 84 month car loans it all seems manageable but these lenders are sucking everyone out with the interest then people feel like they have to job jump to increase income and get a better handle on their expenses
I have an early twenties coworker who is quickly paying off his house, uses his acreage for farming and does a side business. I walked up to him recently while he was getting financial advice from a Gen Xer who cashed out his 401k for a cool car.
I can’t help but think that a “the problem with kids today” rant is a sign of cognitive decline due to the aging process.
I can’t help but think that a “the problem with kids today” rant is a sign of cognitive decline due to the aging process.
Why can't it work? Or we just all need to buckle down in lives we hate so people can have "services"? I personally give nary a touch what services people "need" unless you mean like healthcare and police and whatnot.
Trash pickup. You go 2 weeks without trash pickup in major cities and they will break down psychologically and functionally. Plumbing. Have a toilet backup and not get fixed in an apt building and it not be able to get fixed for a couple weeks.
I can keep going but we need a certain level of labor participation in all job categories to be a functional society. If everyone in our country was independently wealthy and didn't need to work they would all starve to death. We are not in a star trek society yet with replicators and robot construction.
Works in most of the developed world that guarantees such amounts of PTO. You think sall these other countries just are shutting down all the time because people getting a month's worth of vacation time every year?
Stop being stupid.
You think those countries have/had our standard of living? If you want to live in a smaller home with fewer amenities and curb your shopping and reduce or eliminate your travel... then yea.
But we aren't talking about just one month. Lots of people now aren't working 6 or 8 months and are benefits the rest of the year.
Stop being naive.
Played in a golf outing the other day and had a few students in my group. Wanting to get into the same industry I am in. Was an enjoyable time listening to some articulate kids who seemed to understand the concept of needing to pay theirs dues and being eager to learn from folks like me. Was interesting hearing them talk about their friends who mirror a lot of the things discussed in this thread. Can tell a mile away who will be successful and these kids will be. They already get it at their age.
Why is success measured by work? I’ve known several ‘successful’ business men that work hard, finally retire, then die at 55 because stress and awful care of their body took its toll
just seems silly but to each their own. I’d rather live stress free, spend those hours lifting weights or running that I would have in the office
used to work 80 hours per week, I certainly didn’t feel successful lol
This thread is full of extremes.
Young people: “Why should I work 165 hours a week for 1,200 dollars a year!!!!”
Old people: “You should work a minimum of 360 days a year for 20 years in order to get promoted!”
It makes it impossible to discuss anything. There is a discussion to be had, especially in our current society where NO ONE IS CURRENTLY F*CKING WORKING and pretty much every single industry outside of social media influencers has a major labor shortage. I’m interested in why as I currently am a small business owner and am finding it pretty much impossible to hire anyone, it’s seriously crazy and bizarre. I’m interested to know what in the world people are doing for work or money but I’m not going to find it in this thread. I mean at some point people are going to need to work again right??
Young people: “Why should I work 165 hours a week for 1,200 dollars a year!!!!”
Old people: “You should work a minimum of 360 days a year for 20 years in order to get promoted!”
It makes it impossible to discuss anything. There is a discussion to be had, especially in our current society where NO ONE IS CURRENTLY F*CKING WORKING and pretty much every single industry outside of social media influencers has a major labor shortage. I’m interested in why as I currently am a small business owner and am finding it pretty much impossible to hire anyone, it’s seriously crazy and bizarre. I’m interested to know what in the world people are doing for work or money but I’m not going to find it in this thread. I mean at some point people are going to need to work again right??
Gig work and side hustles is what I’ve been living on. I’ve been looking at jobs in Arizona and found plumbers and hvac companies paying people to go to school and then start with them. I’ve considered plumbing
I have a useless bachelors degree like most of America
This thread started out about professional positions being treated as though they were Burger King jobs by young employees. Not everyone is in those jobs. Success in those fields is increased by longevity. Job hopping is fine in a lot of fields. Not all fields will favor job hoppers. If you're in a field where it doesn't matter, then job hop all you want. If you want to be taken serious as a STEM professional 20 to 25 years into your career, I suggest not doing it.
As I slowly descend into middle age and lameness what exactly is gig work and side hustle? What in the world does that mean lol? Does it pay well? Why is that a better option than working at a company/small business and slowly working your way up?
My situation was this. I was working for a company, saving money and I left to move to Arizona when I had sufficient funds to go. Then covid hit, world went crazy, and rent increased a lot in Phoenix area. I had been renting a house but luckily it was from my sister so I was set. So I stayed longer and started doing doordash (food delivery) then I learned I had a knack for buying and selling baseball cards, then I started doing yard work/painting/staining, cleaning for people. Basically just anything I can do for money, that’s what I do. Gig work is just independent contractors that do work temporarily.
I’m also lucky as I paid off all my debt in 2018 and don’t have a wife/kid. It’s been a great couple of years. It pays the bills but I’m definitely not getting rich. With more time on my hands, I’ve lost 50 lbs and completely changed my life. Time well spent imo
editing to add that my grandma has a stroke and since I can make my own hours with gig work, I’ve been able to help her a lot. Taking her to hospital and therapy and such. All kinda worked out for me to not work but it’s now time to move and look for employment but I’ll do side hustles when I can still
As far as others, I don’t know how they’re making it. I do know there’s been a very large increase in overall credit card debt the last quarter so probably that
Thanks for the response. Sounds like you had uncertainties of how long you were even going to stay so your situation definitely makes sense and sounds like you made the best of a crazy situation.
They have exactly five minutes to do so upon meeting me. If they do not declare them, I automatically assume they’re a Nazi.
There seems to be a help wanted/now hiring sign on every corner nowadays. the steel company in my town has had signs posted for production workers, maintenance apprentices and techinal repair for nearly two years. starting pay 100k+/first year.
I guess people are still getting money from the government. they all can’t be drug dealers.
USA isn't even in the top 10 for standard of living actually
Stop being naive.
Other than the friends I made and a few fun experiences, I largely felt like I wasted the vast majority of my 20s and a decent chunk of my 30s because of the job I had. Yeah I was good at it, I don't feel like I really accomplished anything for myself though, knowing you did a good job can only go so far. Just worked all the time, stressed out all the time, sacrificed a lot of personal stuff, and certainly didn't get rich off of it.
Hmm. all European socialist countries.... I'll bet no politics played into that. Like how they ask about best health care and we are always ranked low but yet 1000's of medical tourist come to the US every year for surgery or treatment that is better than anything they can get in their country.
They have Saudi Arabia ranked ahead of South Korea... Really weird list.
But what good is the quality of healthcare if you can't afford it? We have patients at my work turning down procedures all the time because it's going to cost them too much...
And news flash, USA doesn't have the best healthcare system in the world.
It's also not uncommon to see USA citizens leaving the country to go elsewhere for healthcare. In fact, 1.1% of Americans in 2019 that traveled internationally did so for medical reasons. And that only accounts for people traveling by planes. Doesn't include people going by car to Mexico or Canada. If our healthcare system is so great, why are so many people traveling across international lines to get healthcare elsewhere?
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And like I said, what good is the quality if you can't afford it? Why you
And also, that proves you didn't actually read anything I posted. Every single one of those links detail many things, not just cost, pertaining to healthcare systems throughout the world. You know things such as health outcomes - things which the USA doesn't rank very high on. If the USA is so good with quality, we should be ranking much higher on these measures of health outcomes.
You go first seeing as how you live in the political thread complaining/criticizing daily about **** happening in this country.
But my apologies for holding the USA to a high standard. How silly of me.