Agree! I always thought saying explosive plays were your goal was like saying your goal was to be rich. You typically don’t get rich by wanting to be rich. You have to actually be able to do something really well. And to get explosive plays you have to move the ball successfully enough to force the defense to take some risks and make themselves vulnerable to stop it.
Your expectations for the new coach/staff?
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Well, he made enough of an impression to be sought as head coach of Chicago Bears and Detroit Lions.
Amazing how apologists felt 11 + years was not enough time but they are not even willing to give MC to the Blue-White game before declaring him doomed.
If your a fan of CJF - VATech will welcome you with open arms.
Very insightful that you refer to the younger fans because it will be 10 years before the program is even mentioned for a national championship
Sure. They just lost to UCLA, Iowa, Northwestern. And they got worse. 2 signings and a boat load left. Penn State is now and will be a middle of the road B10 program. I accept it. I'm an '89 alum. Sometimes I watch the games, other times I don't. The program hasn't appeased me in years because I know what it is. Haven't been back on campus in 10 years.
I think that most people now recognize that the marriage between PK and JF was a complete disaster ("alignment" 
) and that a messy divorce was a fait accompli - sooner rather than later.
Who was at fault? Was it handled well? Who knows - pick your horse. But that is now history.
That said:
The chances over the next 4-5 years that Campbell's squads will post equal or better records to JF's teams is relatively unlikely - just using any reasonable probabilities. Maybe it will happen - time will tell.
The chances that PSU will win a FB national championship in that time? Far less likely - again, just based on probabilities.
If PSU FB puts up ~50 total wins over the next five years (something only 7 programs have done over the past 5 years) - and wins a National Championship (something only 4 teams have done over the last 5 years) - everything will, obviously, be well within the Kingdom.
That is the "hope for" outcome.
The interesting issue is what happens if - despite all the juvenile bravado and posturing and unsustainable uncontrolled spending - that doesn't transpire (which is a lot more likely)?
Time will tell.
) and that a messy divorce was a fait accompli - sooner rather than later.Who was at fault? Was it handled well? Who knows - pick your horse. But that is now history.
That said:
The chances over the next 4-5 years that Campbell's squads will post equal or better records to JF's teams is relatively unlikely - just using any reasonable probabilities. Maybe it will happen - time will tell.
The chances that PSU will win a FB national championship in that time? Far less likely - again, just based on probabilities.
If PSU FB puts up ~50 total wins over the next five years (something only 7 programs have done over the past 5 years) - and wins a National Championship (something only 4 teams have done over the last 5 years) - everything will, obviously, be well within the Kingdom.
That is the "hope for" outcome.
The interesting issue is what happens if - despite all the juvenile bravado and posturing and unsustainable uncontrolled spending - that doesn't transpire (which is a lot more likely)?
Time will tell.
Awesome. That person admitted he/she is a sometimer fan or maybe not a fan at all.
Should be squarely back in the upper quadrant with the recent turn of events.
The interesting issue is what happens if - despite all the juvenile bravado and posturing and unsustainable uncontrolled spending
I feel the anti go state beat bowling green crowd, of which I’m president, is constantly name called. Why? It’s a perfectly valid position
I feel the anti go state beat bowling green crowd, of which I’m president, is constantly name called. Why? It’s a perfectly valid position
PSU + MC is a great combination and it will lead to a lot of wins. The ceiling is higher than it ever was with Franklin. JF ran into his ceiling time and again and it wasn't going to change. A refresh was needed, and this may be way more than that.
A gentleman, world traveler and scholar. Not surprised at all.
Short list of goals for the new coach, excluding next year of course:
- Win more than 5% of games against a Top 10 Conference opponent
- Being able to convert 3rd/4th and 1 runs against physical opponents
- Complete forward passes to wide receivers against ranked opponents
- Not paying 6-figure NIL sums to backup wide receivers and special teams players
- Play the best players regardless of age or promises made on the recruiting trail
- Not using every 10-2 season as a reason to extort contract extensions from the university
- Finding offensive coordinators and players that fit your offensive philosophy as opposed to just going after big names and hoping it will work itself out
- Focus on situational awareness and putting an end to on the field celebrations for individual plays, especially when the game is on the line (see Zane Durant vs. Indiana)
-Win more than once a decade vs OSU
-Recruit and develop tough, physical football players not athletic soft athletes that wilt in crunch time
-Don't be so uptight and scared in big games that the entire team feeds off it like a lion devouring a carcass
That’s not what I asked….so if Campbell comes in and tops out at 10 wins and he gets fired…then the next guy does the same, my question is how many coaches will it take before you realize it may not just be the coach? This has nothing to do with any other team.
It takes the right coach. Young. Offensive scheme. Genius
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is the Iowa state guy from PA this? Don’t think so so 10 wins and top tens here we come I guess yawn
Anybody who bombs like they did this year will probably get fired from anywhere.
If a coach consistently loses to similarly matched teams, he should be fired.
When will you realize that Franklin was a mediocre recruiter and terrible coach? He is good for lower level programs with lower expectations because he is a good talker and can ******** fans (such as yourself) into thinking he is special.
I honestly don't expect much more than what we have seen over the last few years. Because there is nothing to indicate this coach will be a significant step up from previous coaches or do anything significantly better.
Rip won 48% of his games at Brown. At PSU he won 67%
Joe won 75% of his games at PSU.
O'Brien won 63% of his games at PSU, and has won 36% at BC (not including his time as NFL coach, as it's apples to oranges comparison to college)
CJF won 65% of his games at Vandy before coming to PSU. At PSU, he won 70% of his games.
Campy won 68% of his games at Toledo, 57% of his games at ISU.
There are a number of external factors that Campy is facing, but there were external factors for the other coaches as well (O'Brien and early CJF with the most pressing).
Hope is different than expectation. We all hope PSU is undefeated and wins the National Championships, we all hope he makes good use of the time, we all hope he is able to get over the hump but the realistic expectation should be, over time, about 73-77% winning percentage and battling to be in the playoffs. Which, I believe, is feasible over time (not next year).
Campy is facing the same issues that Joe, O'Brien and CJF faced - one of them is that he has Ohio State in his backyard and that PSU is simply not on the same level as OSU, and truthfully never has been. You hope (not expect) he can beat OSU (and add to that Michigan, Oregon and USC) on a semi-regular basis, but nowhere in the past has a coach done that (although I think Rip has a winning record against OSU, but that was before Woody got there and changed things).
So, I hope Campy does better than the previous coaches, but my expectation is that he will do as well (and as bad) as they have over time.
edit - there has been chatter about Campy having more resources at PSU than ISU, which I agree with. However, he had more resources at ISU than Toledo, played a much tougher schedule and his winning percentage decreased. Moving from ISU to PSU mirrors the move from Toledo to ISU.
Rip won 48% of his games at Brown. At PSU he won 67%
Joe won 75% of his games at PSU.
O'Brien won 63% of his games at PSU, and has won 36% at BC (not including his time as NFL coach, as it's apples to oranges comparison to college)
CJF won 65% of his games at Vandy before coming to PSU. At PSU, he won 70% of his games.
Campy won 68% of his games at Toledo, 57% of his games at ISU.
There are a number of external factors that Campy is facing, but there were external factors for the other coaches as well (O'Brien and early CJF with the most pressing).
Hope is different than expectation. We all hope PSU is undefeated and wins the National Championships, we all hope he makes good use of the time, we all hope he is able to get over the hump but the realistic expectation should be, over time, about 73-77% winning percentage and battling to be in the playoffs. Which, I believe, is feasible over time (not next year).
Campy is facing the same issues that Joe, O'Brien and CJF faced - one of them is that he has Ohio State in his backyard and that PSU is simply not on the same level as OSU, and truthfully never has been. You hope (not expect) he can beat OSU (and add to that Michigan, Oregon and USC) on a semi-regular basis, but nowhere in the past has a coach done that (although I think Rip has a winning record against OSU, but that was before Woody got there and changed things).
So, I hope Campy does better than the previous coaches, but my expectation is that he will do as well (and as bad) as they have over time.
edit - there has been chatter about Campy having more resources at PSU than ISU, which I agree with. However, he had more resources at ISU than Toledo, played a much tougher schedule and his winning percentage decreased. Moving from ISU to PSU mirrors the move from Toledo to ISU.
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What should we do? We were pretty much all in agreement after Northwestern that it was time to move on from Franklin. I was at that game and could not hear or see anyone saying let's keep him. Everybody wanted him out after that.
Even if Campbell ends up the same, I just don't see Penn State issuing some giant apology to Franklin or begging him to come back. I think the stuff about 10 wins, struggling with OSU, etc. is a legitimate deal, but these days you're not going to have coaches anymore around for 30 years and people wait out bad years hoping for some kind of resurgence.
Most of us seem to be in agreement that it was time for Franklin to leave, and we are glad to see a new coach come in with what appears to be more toughness, more discipline and more intelligence. We were tired of watching the soft, sloppy and bewilderingly stupid at times football that Big Game James continued to be laughed at about after losing almost every game that mattered.
Pro job is easier than the college job. Pro is not 24/7/3365. Most Pro coaches typically have no desire to recruit.