Your Opinion: Who is the better team right now? State or Ole Miss?
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Its going to be a close game. Ole Miss has some talented players but they don't
have as much depth as we do. I also think teams are starting to figure out how to game plan against their offense so hopefully we can do the same. I think right now they are trending down and we are trending slightly up if you throw out the 4th qtr against LSU.
have as much depth as we do. I also think teams are starting to figure out how to game plan against their offense so hopefully we can do the same. I think right now they are trending down and we are trending slightly up if you throw out the 4th qtr against LSU.
I think it's close too.
If I were going to try to guess the handicap of the egg bowl at this point in the season I would put state as a 1 point favorite due to the home field advantage. If we are 5-6 (big IF) on Thanksgiving Day the Egg Bowl is going to be a very exciting game.
If I were going to try to guess the handicap of the egg bowl at this point in the season I would put state as a 1 point favorite due to the home field advantage. If we are 5-6 (big IF) on Thanksgiving Day the Egg Bowl is going to be a very exciting game.
It pains me. I think OM. I think we will have more trouble stopping moncreif and treadwell based on the fiasco that was attempting to cover Beckham (I realize he is a great one). Until we slow down a spread team I can't say we can beat one. I think we will have trouble running it against them, as I think we are too finesse these days.
We both look like 6-6 or 7-5 teams
Which is what I figured preseason. I like our freshmen, but freshmen make freshmen mistakes.
Which is what I figured preseason. I like our freshmen, but freshmen make freshmen mistakes.
Moncrief and Treadwell are good... They are far better than anything we have... But they aren't even in a league (yet) with Beckham and Landry. Not to mention the QB throwing to them is not exactly nfl caliber either. So just basing analysis off of that I think is flawed.
I think it's very close but I may give us a slight edge based off of home field at the moment.
I think it's very close but I may give us a slight edge based off of home field at the moment.
A few weeks ago OM looked like the MUCH better team, but with our offense improving as much as it has, I think it’s pretty much dead even. I might give a very slight nod to OM on a neutral field, but with us having home field for the Egg Bowl, I think we should win that game.
2 weeks ago
I would have said the line would have been Ole Miss -6 . After they have played Bama and The Barn, I would say its a pick em due to our home field advantage. The game is certainly winnable. I don't think they can run on us if they cant run on Auburn, but its just being able to stop Moncreif, Treadwell, and the big pass plays which we have proven we cant really do yet. Hopefully Love is not too badly injured and Redmond can contribute immediately.
I would have said the line would have been Ole Miss -6 . After they have played Bama and The Barn, I would say its a pick em due to our home field advantage. The game is certainly winnable. I don't think they can run on us if they cant run on Auburn, but its just being able to stop Moncreif, Treadwell, and the big pass plays which we have proven we cant really do yet. Hopefully Love is not too badly injured and Redmond can contribute immediately.
I think both teams end the season 6-6
Unless one team trips up against Arkansas, and if State can win the egg. As ole miss saw last year, at home against your rival fighting for a bowl spot, your players are going at 115%.
Unless one team trips up against Arkansas, and if State can win the egg. As ole miss saw last year, at home against your rival fighting for a bowl spot, your players are going at 115%.
With the cushion/space to throw into this wknd.....we got vast issues covering them as well. Jamez logan isn't bad as a #3 either.
hopefully, we will be mentally attentive for 4 quarters to avenge last years fiasco. Pressure on wallace could make a big difference, but i'm not holding my breath on that.
hopefully, we will be mentally attentive for 4 quarters to avenge last years fiasco. Pressure on wallace could make a big difference, but i'm not holding my breath on that.
I think we are a slightly better team. They don't seem to be getting any better and we seem to be getting slightly better. We would have beaten Auburn by two touchdowns if we played them this past week. I actually think we are the fourth best team in the West.
Our D line is our strength...their O line is their weakness. Bo will/would struggle big time against our front seven if our coaches would utilize them properly.
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Its hard to tell, I think both teams are pretty good, but have some deficiencies and will finish middle of the pack.
^^^ I've thought the same thing. Especially when they were playing bama and the announcers were predicting plays. (Ie when Tredwell lines up on x-side it is going to be a trick play or the fact that they only run like 3-5 different plays out of the hurry-up).
The Jo Lee Dunn syndrome.
Please don't run Beckham and Landry through the mustard like that.* Most decent receivers can get separation. When they can go up and over DBs on a consistent basis, that's 17in Pro Bowl stuff. Haven't seen that at TSUN yet.
State, and it's not that close. We lead in almost all of the SEC stat categories: http://www.secdigitalnetwork.com/Portals/3/SEC Website/football/confldrs.htm
Also, for all of the "basketball on grass" comments, their offense is pretty bad when you look at the number of points per play. Also note the decrease of this stat in the "Last 3" column (they're #84 btw): http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/points-per-play
Also, for all of the "basketball on grass" comments, their offense is pretty bad when you look at the number of points per play. Also note the decrease of this stat in the "Last 3" column (they're #84 btw): http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/points-per-play
I'm curious how you came to the conclusion that MSU is trending up. No, this isn't a flame, it's a legitimate question. At best you're treading water, same as us.
I think right now we are better by a slim margin. 3 point favorite in Starkville right now I would say.
and as for them trending down and us trending up. I will agree that they are trending down, and they can blame their delusional assed selves for that. They are realistically right where they should be, but in true Ole Miss form, their expectations were too high so now they are "trending down".
As for us trending up....ehhh...as someone that watches every play, I see where you're coming from, but at the end of the day the results say we are plateauing at best IMO.
and as for them trending down and us trending up. I will agree that they are trending down, and they can blame their delusional assed selves for that. They are realistically right where they should be, but in true Ole Miss form, their expectations were too high so now they are "trending down".
As for us trending up....ehhh...as someone that watches every play, I see where you're coming from, but at the end of the day the results say we are plateauing at best IMO.
Don't you think MSU's stats are a little inflated considering yall racked up the huge numbers vs. Alcorn St. and Troy?? Not flaming, because I'd take it and not complain either.
I know Ole Miss also played SEMO, but we yanked the starters midway through the 2nd qtr (which I didn't agree with). Of course some starters randomly went back in, but the game was never in doubt (and unfortunately our offense was DONE once the starters originally got benched). I also saw somewhere where Ole Miss currently has played the #2 toughest S.O.S. I only say that because it seems it could skew the numbers some. I'm assuming that it is #2 since 4 of our 5 games have all been on the road. I think that is something people forget. We now don't leave the state for another game.
Either way, I'd give us the slightest of edges over yall. Ultimately, a 3-2 record with all of our road games complete is SLIGHTLY > a 2-3 record with 3 home games.
Doesn't mean I think Ole Miss is gonna necessarily beat yall in Starkville. Just my personal observation/opinion.
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Well, we definitely didn't play our starters for 4 quarters against Troy and Alcorn either.
And while you did play one more road game, your opponent's winning percentage is .577 at 15-11 while ours is .714 at 20-8, so that kind of washes each other out.
Your opinion though, so I respect it. In my opinion it couldn't get much more even as of right now.
I just don't see how OM has played the second toughest schedule
Vandy is okay and Texas don't seem to be very good, auburn is okay, and well Bama is Bama. Just doesn't seem like it is as tough as most thought it would be before the season started
Vandy is okay and Texas don't seem to be very good, auburn is okay, and well Bama is Bama. Just doesn't seem like it is as tough as most thought it would be before the season started
Both teams have some exceptional talent but are plagued by sloppy play
It will be interesting to see how Ole Miss performs now that they how a long home stretch coming up. Wallace and the offensive line have to improve for them to get any signature wins this year. This year's Texas team was not a signature win.
It will be interesting to see how Ole Miss performs now that they how a long home stretch coming up. Wallace and the offensive line have to improve for them to get any signature wins this year. This year's Texas team was not a signature win.
Just knit-picking, but unless I misunderstood what you meant, we actually have played 4 road games and MSU has played 2 road games. Not that it really matters that much.
Either way, I agree with you that our 2 teams are very, very even right now. Its just a fun topic to discuss. Glad nobody seemed to lose their **** in this thread hahaha
hatfield, I think its just considered tough because all of these games were played on the road.
I think Vandy has shown they are still Vandy, Texas is average at best (but does still have loads of talent), agree that Auburn is ok but they do have an excellent record, and Bama is definitely Bama. I think the SOS thing is kinda hard to really gauge right now, to be honest, bc its still not even halfway through the season.
I think Vandy has shown they are still Vandy, Texas is average at best (but does still have loads of talent), agree that Auburn is ok but they do have an excellent record, and Bama is definitely Bama. I think the SOS thing is kinda hard to really gauge right now, to be honest, bc its still not even halfway through the season.
No, Alcorn State and Troy are formidable opponents. ** Don't forget that you guys played Texas, who was coming off the loss to lowly BYU and had fired their defensive coordinator. Not sure what it is now, but I think they were allowing well over 500 yds/game when you played them. Overall, our schedule has been just about as difficult as yours. Our opponents are 16-6, yours are 15-11 (if you don't count SEMO it's 15-6 ... they've lost all 5 games they've played, so they are incredibly weak), so our opponents have won more games and yours have lost more. But both schedules have been hard and will be even worse before the season's over. The only common opponent has been Auburn and you lost worse than we did. All those things don't prove anything, but the trends are there.
I really have no idea what to think about this game. On paper,MSU dominates....but our dbacks are lacking upper level brain cells.... On the interwebs "Wi Sluck, GEO to Hell MiSHIpi STake"...in the paper it's "Whi ishnt Murlens firin Coluns?!!?"...I have not a clue.... My head is telling me UM......Heart saying bet the over.
Valid points. I was thinking that our schedules were slightly similar (ASU vs. SEMO; LSU vs. Bama; both payed AU; OK ST vs. TX). In looking at the AU game specifically, MSU and OM seem pretty damn close actually.
But in looking at the positions:
QB
RB
WR
OL
DL
LB
DB
How many do you give the edge to OM? I have MSU with the edge in 4: QB and RB (both due to depth), DL, and LB. I give OM the edge in WR. I think OL and DB are a push.
Yeah I actually agree with that. Pretty spot on. It's definitely nice having Dak as the "backup" rather than having Brunetti hahahaha
As a side note, how have yall done on the injury front? We were extremely lucky in that department last year. This year, not so much.
I think it's too early to say.
This time last year, I thought y'all were going to absolutely kill us but things can turn around pretty quickly during the season. As of right now, I would probably take us by 3. Not convinced your QB situation is settled or that your secondary could hold up against our WR corps.
This time last year, I thought y'all were going to absolutely kill us but things can turn around pretty quickly during the season. As of right now, I would probably take us by 3. Not convinced your QB situation is settled or that your secondary could hold up against our WR corps.
We are trending up because we have a sophomore QB that is a hell of a lot better than anything you have on campus. Dak is pretty talented
Both teams are so inconsistent...
I honesty wouldn't know what to expect if we played tomorrow. I've seen every Ole Miss' games and most of the bullies. At times, both teams look pretty damn good and then there are the total lapses. I'm not even talking about a game-by-game basis, It's been a series-by-series basis. I look at our schedule and think we can beat anyone outside of LSU. TAMU you say? Their results aren't that impressive. On the other hand, I wouldn't be shocked if we only won 2 more games. I have the same thoughts on the bullies. I think we are both better than Auburn, they just seem to have the golden horseshoe this year. It's hard to believe we don't know more about our teams at this point.
I honesty wouldn't know what to expect if we played tomorrow. I've seen every Ole Miss' games and most of the bullies. At times, both teams look pretty damn good and then there are the total lapses. I'm not even talking about a game-by-game basis, It's been a series-by-series basis. I look at our schedule and think we can beat anyone outside of LSU. TAMU you say? Their results aren't that impressive. On the other hand, I wouldn't be shocked if we only won 2 more games. I have the same thoughts on the bullies. I think we are both better than Auburn, they just seem to have the golden horseshoe this year. It's hard to believe we don't know more about our teams at this point.
Basically what Shotgun is saying, if we play Dak and he continues to improve I
think we have a pretty solid team. I was very worried about our prospects after watching the OSU game. I think we did take a step back in the secondary against LSU. I don't know if they are that good in the passing game or are we going backward on pass defense. Ole Miss may be able to turn it around but I think you can agree their current trend is not a favorable one. Freeze needs to prove he can adjust and I'm starting to see evidence of the old Wommack as well, he has been Joe Lee Dunning it with great successes but eventually folks figure it out.
think we have a pretty solid team. I was very worried about our prospects after watching the OSU game. I think we did take a step back in the secondary against LSU. I don't know if they are that good in the passing game or are we going backward on pass defense. Ole Miss may be able to turn it around but I think you can agree their current trend is not a favorable one. Freeze needs to prove he can adjust and I'm starting to see evidence of the old Wommack as well, he has been Joe Lee Dunning it with great successes but eventually folks figure it out.