Zero Accountability

[Knucklehank1]

So apparently Heird has laid out no objectives for the head basketball coach. Payne in turn seems to have little to no objective measures of success for his assistants or his players. In fact his assistants can go on the coaches show and wear brands different than the company that pays a **** ton to the program. The players clearly feel no accountability given that Payne continually laments the same **** and yet continues to play the same guys. Payne can basically say whatever the hell he wants in his press conferences despite the fact that part of his job is to sell a product to the fanbase. Wtf is going on?!?

I figured the only way I’d ever drop my tix would be if I physically couldn’t go to the games. I cannot accept things they way they are and clearly Payne thinks things are fine. I’m out.

 

[Cardiac Red]

He's one of the most self unaware people I've ever heard speak. He thinks he is untouchable, he's arrogant, he's oblivious, he sucks !!

 

[Knucklehank1]

He's one of the most self unaware people I've ever heard speak. He thinks he is untouchable, he's arrogant, he's oblivious, he sucks !!

Seriously I don’t get it. Is his head in the sand? Is it arrogance? Is he just an eternal optimist and tries to wish away problems? Is he clueless?

It really is mind-blowing.

 

[Cardiac Red]

Seriously I don’t get it. Is his head in the sand? Is it arrogance? Is he just an eternal optimist and tries to wish away problems? Is he clueless?

All the above plus a lot more..

I'm just beside myself pissed off at his post game comments. Dude is a total frigging buffoon..

 

[shadow force]

 

[Knucklehank1]

In all seriousness anyone with any media awareness would say polyanna **** like “obviously we know the standard that is Louisville basketball. We fell way short from a wins and losses perspective. When that happens it’s my job as head coach to evaluate all aspects of the programs including my staff. However I do think I have a great staff and I look forward to proving our worth as we head into a crucial off-season”

 

[OldhamCard335]

Kenny’s vision gives Josh his “most reassurances”??? Well, Kenny’s vision scares the hell out of me!!

 

[Cardiac Red]

Kenny’s vision gives Josh his “most reassurances”??? Well, Kenny’s vision scares the hell out of me!!

What the fk is his vision. Somebody tell us...

 

[Thecycle27]

He has given his vision but when you are 4-28 it is impossible for any outside to believe it. His vision isn’t the problem it is the execution.

He wants taller players that are quick enough allow him to execute his vision. He has said that from the get go that is what he wants. All his recruits are over 6-5.

Defense he wants to have good enough athletes to press to create turnovers and slow down offenses. He wants to switch everything. He wants elite shot blocker. He has said all this over the course of the year.

Offense he wants versatile players that can score at all three levels. He believes his teams need to be good passing and getting the ball in the paint. He likes posting up everyone when there is an advantage. He wants to create space and individual freedom.

That is his vision but doesn’t me anything if he can’t recruit the right players that are capable executing the his vision.

It is fair to question his ability to execute because this year screams he can’t execute his vision. What isn’t fair is he can’t say he can’t recruit the right players to execute it. We will know by May-June if he can recruit.

 

[Cardiac Red]

He wants taller players that are quick enough allow him to execute his vision. He has said that from the get go that is what he wants. All his recruits are over 6-5.

Defense he wants to have good enough athletes to press to create turnovers and slow down offenses. He wants to switch everything. He wants elite shot blocker. He has said all this over the course of the year.

Offense he wants versatile players that can score at all three levels. He believes his teams need to be good passing and getting the ball in the paint. He likes posting up everyone when there is an advantage. He wants to create space and individual freedom.

Lol... So he wants the showtime Lakers..

 

[OldhamCard335]

He has given his vision but when you are 4-28 it is impossible for any outside to believe it. His vision isn’t the problem it is the execution.

He wants taller players that are quick enough allow him to execute his vision. He has said that from the get go that is what he wants. All his recruits are over 6-5.

Defense he wants to have good enough athletes to press to create turnovers and slow down offenses. He wants to switch everything. He wants elite shot blocker. He has said all this over the course of the year.

Offense he wants versatile players that can score at all three levels. He believes his teams need to be good passing and getting the ball in the paint. He likes posting up everyone when there is an advantage. He wants to create space and individual freedom.

That is his vision but doesn’t me anything if he can’t recruit the right players that are capable executing the his vision.

It is fair to question his ability to execute because this year screams he can’t execute his vision. What isn’t fair is he can’t say he can’t recruit the right players to execute it. We will know by May-June if he can recruit.

Defense? We had talk players with more than enough talent to play decent defense. I don’t think better, taller players will make any difference under this historically bad coaching.

 

[Thecycle27]

Did you read what I wrote or just want to just complain? I told you what he wants and the execution was the issue. I also said he has to recruit better players.

Lol... So he wants the showtime Lakers..

How were Denny’s team built? Please explain. I know not sure you do.

 

[Thecycle27]

Defense? We had talk players with more than enough talent to play decent defense. I don’t think better, taller players will make any difference under this historically bad coaching.

Again explaining his vision because that what was asked. At no point did I say coaching wasn’t an issue. Good lord.

 

[OldhamCard335]

So 27, yes…coaching is a huge issue. We had very decent players with plenty of length who were absolutely awful on defense. KP obviously didn’t coach or prepare the team with an effective defensive identity that could keep us in a game. If that continues to be the case then better players aren’t going to make that much difference.

And yes, I am anti Pain because he just headed up the worst season in UL history. Historically bad, and I’m not good with that. He also hasn’t articulated an effective game plan that will get us out of this mess. Your interpretation of his vision is that he wants the perfect players to come here, then we’ll be fine. I disagree. First, I don’t see how he is going to attract those players and there is no evidence that neither he nor his staff have the ability to coach any group of players into a unified, well-oiled winning machine. In fact, the evidence suggests just the opposite.

Good Lord!

 

[Cardiac Red]

Did you read what I wrote or just want to just complain? I told you what he wants and the execution was the issue. I also said he has to recruit better players.

Yeah, I read what you wrote. You described the showtime era of the Los Angeles Lakers.. K Pain couldn't even win an NCAA title with that group either..

 

[OldhamCard335]

Yeah, I read what you wrote. You described the showtime era of the Los Angeles Lakers.. K Pain couldn't even win an ACC title with that group either..

FIFY

 

[Thecycle27]

Yeah, I read what you wrote. You described the showtime era of the Los Angeles Lakers.. K Pain couldn't even win an NCAA title with that group either..

You’re the one that asked the question. I asked a question your typical response is not answering the question. Tells me you have no clue why KP prefers long athletic players. I will help you his vision on the roster is exactly how Denny built his teams. The way he wants to play defense is text book Denny.

 

[Thecycle27]

So 27, yes…coaching is a huge issue. We had very decent players with plenty of length who were absolutely awful on defense. KP obviously didn’t coach or prepare the team with an effective defensive identity that could keep us in a game. If that continues to be the case then better players aren’t going to make that much difference.

And yes, I am anti Pain because he just headed up the worst season in UL history. Historically bad, and I’m not good with that. He also hasn’t articulated an effective game plan that will get us out of this mess. Your interpretation of his vision is that he wants the perfect players to come here, then we’ll be fine. I disagree. First, I don’t see how he is going to attract those players and there is no evidence that neither he nor his staff have the ability to coach any group of players into a unified, well-oiled winning machine. In fact, the evidence suggests just the opposite.

Good Lord!

I don’t care if you are Anti Payne and never labeled you that way. Your position doesn’t matter to me. I am only answering a question. You don’t like my answer ok by me.

I am not interpreting anything that is what the man has said he is looking for. I even explained why he would want that. I never used the word perfect did I? I didn’t even say great in describing passing I said good. Mike James is a 3 level scorer. He can shoot the 3, he can post up and drive the ball. That is what he wants offensively. As a freshman he was pretty good.

 

[OldhamCard335]

I don’t care if you are Anti Payne and never labeled you that way. Your position doesn’t matter to me. I am only answering a question. You don’t like my answer ok by me.

I am not interpreting anything that is what the man has said he is looking for. I even explained why he would want that. I never used the word perfect did I? I didn’t even say great in describing passing I said good. Mike James is a 3 level scorer. He can shoot the 3, he can post up and drive the ball. That is what he wants offensively. As a freshman he was pretty good.

Ok, my bad. You didn’t use the word perfect, but your comment says he wants taller players with quickness to execute his vision and can score at all three levels and who can post up, press and create turnovers. KP says he wants high character kids who are givers and have the right DNA. Is that fair? But doesn’t that pretty much define a perfect player?

But define “perfect” in any terms that work for you. I still want to ask, how does he get these players, and how does he get them to perform better than this current group? So far, there is no evidence to believe he can do either. As I said before, all evidence seems to point the other way.

 

[Thecycle27]

Ok, my bad. You didn’t use the word perfect, but your comment says he wants taller players with quickness to execute his vision and can score at all three levels and who can post up, press and create turnovers. KP says he wants high character kids who are givers and have the right DNA. Is that fair? But doesn’t that pretty much define a perfect player?

But define “perfect” in any terms that work for you. I still want to ask, how does he get these players, and how does he get them to perform better than this current group? So far, there is no evidence to believe he can do either. As I said before, all evidence seems to point the other way.

There are no perfect players or even perfect body type. There are players that are more skilled than others. The mental make up is a whole other thing. I only described the physical qualities he is looking for. The title team he was on was built that way. It stands to reason he would try build some thing similar. They weren’t perfect either.

You asked the wrong question. Will he get these players is the question? Everyone gets hung up on this season and projects no one would want to play for him. I am taking the wait and see approach because I don’t know. The buzz tells me something is brewing but that doesn’t matter until he actually lands someone.

Physically Evans, Clarke and Flowers all fit and supposedly all are interested. I heard a bunch of that last year so we will see..

 

[Ipartiedwithhopgood_rivals307205]

Good to see everyone getting along.

 

[Cardiac Red]

You’re the one that asked the question. I asked a question your typical response is not answering the question. Tells me you have no clue why KP prefers long athletic players. I will help you his vision on the roster is exactly how Denny built his teams. The way he wants to play defense is text book Denny.

How the hell do you know what his vision is . Hell the type players you say he wants to get could win 20 games without a coach.. You have no idea how silly your comments sound.

You are either very young, a very casual fan, or a snowflake..

 

[Knucklehank1]

He has given his vision but when you are 4-28 it is impossible for any outside to believe it. His vision isn’t the problem it is the execution.

He wants taller players that are quick enough allow him to execute his vision. He has said that from the get go that is what he wants. All his recruits are over 6-5.

Defense he wants to have good enough athletes to press to create turnovers and slow down offenses. He wants to switch everything. He wants elite shot blocker. He has said all this over the course of the year.

Offense he wants versatile players that can score at all three levels. He believes his teams need to be good passing and getting the ball in the paint. He likes posting up everyone when there is an advantage. He wants to create space and individual freedom.

That is his vision but doesn’t me anything if he can’t recruit the right players that are capable executing the his vision.

It is fair to question his ability to execute because this year screams he can’t execute his vision. What isn’t fair is he can’t say he can’t recruit the right players to execute it. We will know by May-June if he can recruit.

I consider myself highly engaged into what’s going on in the program. I’ve heard Payne say very little about a real plan for the program, what the goals are and how to achieve them. I’ve heard him speak little about how to ensure that guys are in shape. I’ve heard very little about what the hallmark of our program would be (ie: for Pitino it was an undying commitment to pressure defense). I don’t have any idea what Payne think ls success looks like. If he’s not comfortable discussing this then it’s hard as a consumer to want to buy the product. What are you trying to sell me KP?

 

[Cardiac Red]

I consider myself highly engaged into what’s going on in the program. I’ve heard Payne say very little about a real plan for the program, what the goals are and how to achieve them. I’ve heard him speak little about how to ensure that guys are in shape. I’ve heard very little about what the hallmark of our program would be (ie: for Pitino it was an undying commitment to pressure defense). I don’t have any idea what Payne think ls success looks like. If he’s not comfortable discussing this then it’s hard as a consumer to want to buy the product. What are you trying to sell me KP?

The guy is clueless in every aspect of the job...

 

[Jvrthestar65]

He's one of the most self unaware people I've ever heard speak. He thinks he is untouchable, he's arrogant, he's oblivious, he sucks !!

That's because he knows what to do to turn this program around. Don't get rid of your Season Tickets

 

[Cardiac Red]

That's because he knows what to do to turn this program around. Don't get rid of your Season Tickets

I hope you're right but color me skeptical..

 

[LouCards13]

That's because he knows what to do to turn this program around. Don't get rid of your Season Tickets

He still hasn’t shown that he can coach his way out of a wet paper bag

 

[the artist FKA zipp]

Why would Payne have any accountability when the AD doesn’t?…

 

[MikesMarbles]

Every fan as an individual will have to decide where their line in the sand is and whether they'll continue to support the team.

I have no idea what the real strategy for the program is. Maybe they just want to lay low and stay out of the media spotlight? The worst "scandal" I can think of last year was the Lands Catfishing boondoggle. I guess you could call 4 wins bad press but it's not a moral scandal like prostitutes in the dorms, coach extortion, or a money scandal. Progress?

 

[shadow force]

That's because he knows what to do to turn this program around. Don't get rid of your Season Tickets

I don't see how any UofL fan can have complete confidence in Payne after suffering through last season but to each his own.

I think we will find out really quick next season if his first season was just a total aberration or not.

 

[Cardiac Red]

Every fan as an individual will have to decide where their line in the sand is and whether they'll continue to support the team.

I have no idea what the real strategy for the program is. Maybe they just want to lay low and stay out of the media spotlight? The worst "scandal" I can think of last year was the Lands Catfishing boondoggle. I guess you could call 4 wins bad press but it's not a moral scandal like prostitutes in the dorms, coach extortion, or a money scandal. Progress?

Wow, that's some imagination. So the University is ok with winning 4 games as long as we are scandal free ? Got it.. There's a lot of bills out there that need to be paid and the money to pay those bills is highly dependent on the basketball team being successful. Winning 4 games is not going to pay any bills. Im sure we've lost fans this year we may never get back and a lot of those are high rollers that pumped a lot of money into the program.

As much as I was against hiring KP and as terrible as he was this past season, I hope he puts it together this year and gets us back on track. What I don't want to see is a 13 or 14 win season and bringing him back for a 3rd season.

There were a lot of strings pulled to get him hired and a lot of strings pulled to bring him back after a total fail. If he fails again this year the strings have to be cut...

 

[Thecycle27]

It is a results driven business but he is under contract. No matter where people stand on KP it is up to him to recruit and build a winning program. How he does will determine if it is 2-6 years.

I want to see what he does with the last 3 spots. That will at least answer some questions going into next year. Clark and James have to be pushed in practice and that isn’t the case as we sit here today. Even if they kill it with the last three we won’t know until they start practicing and playing. I trust Luke H opinion over anyone else because he called out the bigs early last year.

 

[glassmanJ]

RP had zero accoutability if i remember correctly all the national news clippings of his disgraces and failure and premature ejaculations. he cheated on his wife, got the school put on probation, let hookers in for players, supposedly had no idea what his recruiters and staff were doing, almost got us the death penalty, and nothing ever happened to him. so why the double standard for our black coach? seems totally racist to me but heck people gonna hate on our coach anyways casue they'd rather suck up to an egomaniacal *** that was a previously mentioned in this post.

 

[the artist FKA zipp]

RP had zero accoutability if i remember correctly all the national news clippings of his disgraces and failure and premature ejaculations. he cheated on his wife, got the school put on probation, let hookers in for players, supposedly had no idea what his recruiters and staff were doing, almost got us the death penalty, and nothing ever happened to him. so why the double standard for our black coach? seems totally racist to me but heck people gonna hate on our coach anyways casue they'd rather suck up to an egomaniacal *** that was a previously mentioned in this post.

The “black coach” had four wins in his first season. Pitino could log that many in one week.

First and foremost, these guys are COACHES. I’m not consulting them for life’s lessons or how to raise children. And that’s even if I accept your accounting of Pitino’s transgressions which I don’t…

 

[LouCards13]

RP had zero accoutability if i remember correctly all the national news clippings of his disgraces and failure and premature ejaculations. he cheated on his wife, got the school put on probation, let hookers in for players, supposedly had no idea what his recruiters and staff were doing, almost got us the death penalty, and nothing ever happened to him. so why the double standard for our black coach? seems totally racist to me but heck people gonna hate on our coach anyways casue they'd rather suck up to an egomaniacal *** that was a previously mentioned in this post.

Racist?! Race has absolutely nothing to do with it other than in YOUR state of mind. It’s the FACT that KP only won 4 freaking games and the team showed nothing of note to show improvement throughout the season.

 

[Cardiac Red]

RP had zero accoutability if i remember correctly all the national news clippings of his disgraces and failure and premature ejaculations. he cheated on his wife, got the school put on probation, let hookers in for players, supposedly had no idea what his recruiters and staff were doing, almost got us the death penalty, and nothing ever happened to him. so why the double standard for our black coach? seems totally racist to me but heck people gonna hate on our coach anyways casue they'd rather suck up to an egomaniacal *** that was a previously mentioned in this post.

You are going to bring race into this ? You're a total idiot for making that comment. The results, or lack there of, have absolutely NOTHING to do with race and everything to do with being a total failure at every level of being a coach..

Any coach going through a college basketball season with 4 wins is going to be on the hot seat and rightfully so. It does matter if you're white, black, brown, or green, 4 wins is an all systems failure.

Race ? What a f'n joke !

 

[Thecycle27]

The “black coach” had four wins in his first season. Pitino could log that many in one week.

First and foremost, these guys are COACHES. I’m not consulting them for life’s lessons or how to raise children. And that’s even if I accept your accounting of Pitino’s transgressions which I don’t…

Let’s be clear a coach can do basically anything as long as the win. As soon as they start losing we start throwing around the accountability word. Payne said all the same thing about loving kids and getting dudes as the K State but when you have 4 wins KP is an idiot K State coach is brilliant.

Win or go home that is all this boils down too. Let’s not go down the race rabbit hole.