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A few thoughts on BK

1. Zero decommitments so far. Tells me they didn't commit to Kelly but the program. Not surprising. If Freeman left ND, there would be mass decommitments IMO. Not because the recruits committed to Freeman but because of what the recruits say about him. They love him. Nobody loves Kelly. 2. Man I hope the LSU players rally around the interim coach. Because they have an extra week to prepare for Bama (of course Bama also has a bye week this week). If the new OC can put in some stuff that Bama has never seen, they could hit some big plays and put the pressure on Bama. An upset of Bama would be sweet on so many levels. 3. I think Kelly is too arrogant to do this but he should recognize his level and find a job in the Group of 6 level. Maybe the Big 12. Kelly would do well at a place like Memphis or Rice or Temple. Let's say a bigger school hires Willy Fritz from Houston. Kelly would work at Houston. The recruiting is right up his ally. Find the players that A&M and Texas don't want. All you have to do is beat TCU for those players. 4. One of Kelly's biggest issues reared its ugly head at LSU as it did at ND. He missed on coordinators way too often. When he had Denbrock, the defense was trash. He hired a good DC and the offense is awful. Very similar at ND. For as much as some fans have and are still hammering Ash, his defense is light years better than what LSU had when Denbrock was there. One thing that Freeman has so far been great at is hiring coaches. And when Freeman has made a mistake, he's corrected it right away (the Stuckey situation). 5. I don't think BK firing will impact the ND 2026 class at all. However, this could help with one top recruit that ND wants in 2027. Albert Simien. Recently visited and had some good things to say. From Lake Charles, LA. The pull to stay home will be strong. With the turmoil at the program, this could be what ND needs to get a foothold in the recruitment.
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NYC2020

Oct 27, 2:28 PM

FWCOACH said:
1. Zero decommitments so far. Tells me they didn't commit to Kelly but the program. Not surprising. If Freeman left ND, there would be mass decommitments IMO. Not because the recruits committed to Freeman but because of what the recruits say about him. They love him. Nobody loves Kelly. 2. Man I hope the LSU players rally around the interim coach. Because they have an extra week to prepare for Bama (of course Bama also has a bye week this week). If the new OC can put in some stuff that Bama has never seen, they could hit some big plays and put the pressure on Bama. An upset of Bama would be sweet on so many levels. 3. I think Kelly is too arrogant to do this but he should recognize his level and find a job in the Group of 6 level. Maybe the Big 12. Kelly would do well at a place like Memphis or Rice or Temple. Let's say a bigger school hires Willy Fritz from Houston. Kelly would work at Houston. The recruiting is right up his ally. Find the players that A&M and Texas don't want. All you have to do is beat TCU for those players. 4. One of Kelly's biggest issues reared its ugly head at LSU as it did at ND. He missed on coordinators way too often. When he had Denbrock, the defense was trash. He hired a good DC and the offense is awful. Very similar at ND. For as much as some fans have and are still hammering Ash, his defense is light years better than what LSU had when Denbrock was there. One thing that Freeman has so far been great at is hiring coaches. And when Freeman has made a mistake, he's corrected it right away (the Stuckey situation). 5. I don't think BK firing will impact the ND 2026 class at all. However, this could help with one top recruit that ND wants in 2027. Albert Simien. Recently visited and had some good things to say. From Lake Charles, LA. The pull to stay home will be strong. With the turmoil at the program, this could be what ND needs to get a foothold in the recruitment.
About Albert Simien. Frank Wilson is the head recruiter and now interim head coach. So it will be tough. But if he leaves, then it's open.
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SubwayDomerDFW

Oct 27, 2:31 PM

Maybe LSU will hire Denbrock.
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SDS123

Oct 27, 2:35 PM

BK comes with a lot of real and perceived baggage. Smart people would really stop and think about who/what they are hiring. He is not universally liked, he has the rep of not winning big games, and he is dinged for not working hard in recruiting and development. Now some may look at the LSU firing as an unfair move by an SEC school that places itself on a pedestal. They could view his record at ND as a plus. There’s a lot to consider with this guy. Has he lost his ability to adapt and change? I honestly don’t know if his best days are behind him. But it’s something I definitely would consider if I was a hiring school.
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irishfan_1983

Oct 27, 2:35 PM

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BoCeJ62

Oct 27, 2:37 PM

SubwayDomerDFW said:
Maybe LSU will hire Denbrock.
Maybe they'll hire you. Then you can go away with these questionable comments.
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apegambino

Oct 27, 2:42 PM

FWCOACH said:
1. Zero decommitments so far. Tells me they didn't commit to Kelly but the program. Not surprising. If Freeman left ND, there would be mass decommitments IMO. Not because the recruits committed to Freeman but because of what the recruits say about him. They love him. Nobody loves Kelly. 2. Man I hope the LSU players rally around the interim coach. Because they have an extra week to prepare for Bama (of course Bama also has a bye week this week). If the new OC can put in some stuff that Bama has never seen, they could hit some big plays and put the pressure on Bama. An upset of Bama would be sweet on so many levels. 3. I think Kelly is too arrogant to do this but he should recognize his level and find a job in the Group of 6 level. Maybe the Big 12. Kelly would do well at a place like Memphis or Rice or Temple. Let's say a bigger school hires Willy Fritz from Houston. Kelly would work at Houston. The recruiting is right up his ally. Find the players that A&M and Texas don't want. All you have to do is beat TCU for those players. 4. One of Kelly's biggest issues reared its ugly head at LSU as it did at ND. He missed on coordinators way too often. When he had Denbrock, the defense was trash. He hired a good DC and the offense is awful. Very similar at ND. For as much as some fans have and are still hammering Ash, his defense is light years better than what LSU had when Denbrock was there. One thing that Freeman has so far been great at is hiring coaches. And when Freeman has made a mistake, he's corrected it right away (the Stuckey situation). 5. I don't think BK firing will impact the ND 2026 class at all. However, this could help with one top recruit that ND wants in 2027. Albert Simien. Recently visited and had some good things to say. From Lake Charles, LA. The pull to stay home will be strong. With the turmoil at the program, this could be what ND needs to get a foothold in the recruitment.
I think there are several places that BK could do well at if they fire coaches like Maryland, Michigan St. programs that have much lower expectations where you can win 8 or 9 games a year and be beloved. I just question at 64 if BK still has it in him. Those programs are much harder to win at than ND and LSU and there has been no signs to me over the past decade that BK is willing to grind again like he did at Cincy, Central Mich and GVS.
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SubwayDomerDFW

Oct 27, 2:42 PM

BoCeJ62 said:
Maybe they'll hire you. Then you can go away with these questionable comments.
When you have a low IQ everything seems questionable. relax. It's a post modern joke. Way above your head. ** or it worked as intended I'm not really sure
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Nemeth5

Oct 27, 2:44 PM

I am not a big BK fan, but I was one of the few who wanted ND to keep him after his atrocious year (2016?) and was disappointed when he left. I think LSU fired him prematurely. Yes, he has disappointed, but he never lost any bad games that I can think of and now LSU enters an already saturated market for a new coach. They are out a coach and 53MM!
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Bsmitty8

Oct 27, 2:46 PM

FWCOACH said:
1. Zero decommitments so far. Tells me they didn't commit to Kelly but the program. Not surprising. If Freeman left ND, there would be mass decommitments IMO. Not because the recruits committed to Freeman but because of what the recruits say about him. They love him. Nobody loves Kelly. 2. Man I hope the LSU players rally around the interim coach. Because they have an extra week to prepare for Bama (of course Bama also has a bye week this week). If the new OC can put in some stuff that Bama has never seen, they could hit some big plays and put the pressure on Bama. An upset of Bama would be sweet on so many levels. 3. I think Kelly is too arrogant to do this but he should recognize his level and find a job in the Group of 6 level. Maybe the Big 12. Kelly would do well at a place like Memphis or Rice or Temple. Let's say a bigger school hires Willy Fritz from Houston. Kelly would work at Houston. The recruiting is right up his ally. Find the players that A&M and Texas don't want. All you have to do is beat TCU for those players. 4. One of Kelly's biggest issues reared its ugly head at LSU as it did at ND. He missed on coordinators way too often. When he had Denbrock, the defense was trash. He hired a good DC and the offense is awful. Very similar at ND. For as much as some fans have and are still hammering Ash, his defense is light years better than what LSU had when Denbrock was there. One thing that Freeman has so far been great at is hiring coaches. And when Freeman has made a mistake, he's corrected it right away (the Stuckey situation). 5. I don't think BK firing will impact the ND 2026 class at all. However, this could help with one top recruit that ND wants in 2027. Albert Simien. Recently visited and had some good things to say. From Lake Charles, LA. The pull to stay home will be strong. With the turmoil at the program, this could be what ND needs to get a foothold in the recruitment.
Biggest thing for BK is he wasn’t a culture fit down there. He would be a really good hire for a Penn St, Wisky, Vatech.
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FWCOACH

Oct 27, 2:49 PM

Bsmitty8 said:
Biggest thing for BK is he wasn’t a culture fit down there. He would be a really good hire for a Penn St, Wisky, Vatech.
I don't think he would have success at Wisky because the recruiting base is terrible. PSU and VT have good recruiting areas. So I could see that. I'd be shocked if Kelly went to the ACC though because he'd get smacked by ND.
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irishfan_1983

Oct 27, 2:52 PM

Nemeth5 said:
I am not a big BK fan, but I was one of the few who wanted ND to keep him after his atrocious year (2016?) and was disappointed when he left. I think LSU fired him prematurely. Yes, he has disappointed, but he never lost any bad games that I can think of and now LSU enters an already saturated market for a new coach. They are out a coach and 53MM!
His coaching errors cost the Irish several games. Namely, Northwester, NCST, and Clemson the first go around come to the top of my head without looking anything up. Oh, and don’t forget Tulsa and losing to Navy.
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Headless

Oct 27, 2:53 PM

SDS123 said:
BK comes with a lot of real and perceived baggage. Smart people would really stop and think about who/what they are hiring. He is not universally liked, he has the rep of not winning big games, and he is dinged for not working hard in recruiting and development. Now some may look at the LSU firing as an unfair move by an SEC school that places itself on a pedestal. They could view his record at ND as a plus. There’s a lot to consider with this guy. Has he lost his ability to adapt and change? I honestly don’t know if his best days are behind him. But it’s something I definitely would consider if I was a hiring school.
You're 100% right here. Kelly would be awesome at a mid-tier P5 or top tier G5 school with a strong recruiting support staff. His culture is still good for beating the schools you're supposed to beat, and who cares if Cincinnati loses to Alabama?
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Xray93

Oct 27, 2:59 PM

BK was really a figurehead. He acted like a CEO and a politician but at the end of the day much of his success wasnt because of him but because had brought in alot of talented coaches. Just look at all the future head coaches on his staff at Grand Valley State. Should he take credit for that yes, but when he missed it left him with very little ability to fix the situation. This year is a great example, offense sucked and BK wasnt able to fix it despite his offensive background. Flipside Freeman when the defense fell apart he could put on his DC hat and help fix the problems. Then on top of that Freeman does a great job of attracting not just talented football players but also talented coaches cuz they all want to work with him, whereas most people just think BK is an ass. IMO in todays day and age Brian Kelly would be better off in a NFL GM or College AD role than as head coach because of his limitations as a coach and a recruiter.
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Headless

Oct 27, 3:03 PM

Nemeth5 said:
I am not a big BK fan, but I was one of the few who wanted ND to keep him after his atrocious year (2016?) and was disappointed when he left. I think LSU fired him prematurely. Yes, he has disappointed, but he never lost any bad games that I can think of and now LSU enters an already saturated market for a new coach. They are out a coach and 53MM!
This was always one of the major problems with Kelly at LSU. While BK has a number of flaws (recruiting, allegiance to crappy assistant coaches, culture, lack of personal accountability), it's far from just Kelly. LSU's biggest problem is that they have a misalignment between where their program is and what their boosters want from their program. BK has the potential to put up a consistent 9-3 or 10-2 record, and make the occasional playoff run at LSU. The boosters at LSU (and Florida, and Auburn, and A&M, and PSU, and ...) accept nothing less than being a tier 1, national title competing program every year. In this day and age of NIL, portal transfers and CFB parity, it's not a reasonable ask. Let's be honest here - Miles and Ogeron were better coaches and better fits at LSU, and were run out of town for outlandish expectations. The schadenfreude isn't just for Kelly getting fired - it's for the LSU fan base as well.
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highnoon2

Oct 27, 3:03 PM

Why would he coach. I would think he could retire nicely. $50,000,000.00
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Mizzo

Oct 27, 3:04 PM

Take LSU to cover imo
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bobo0219

Oct 27, 3:07 PM

I say bring Eddie O back, he was a perfect fit at LSU.
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o_fedman

Oct 27, 3:13 PM

apegambino said:
I think there are several places that BK could do well at if they fire coaches like Maryland, Michigan St. programs that have much lower expectations where you can win 8 or 9 games a year and be beloved. I just question at 64 if BK still has it in him. Those programs are much harder to win at than ND and LSU and there has been no signs to me over the past decade that BK is willing to grind again like he did at Cincy, Central Mich and GVS.
I agree. IF KELLY WANTS TO COACH AGAIN. His buyout contract calls for him to collect $8.5 million a year for the next 6 years. When that ends, he will be 70 years old. Perhaps he is in a position to call it a coaching career and move on to media work. But if he does coach again, it will not be at the Group of 5 level. Say what you will about Kelly - and there is a lot of baggage that comes with him - but the guy has shown that he is a solid and well above average football coach with a proven record of program building. He simply is not an elite coach. As you state, he would do a good job at places like Maryland and Michigan State. I think Virginia Tech would be a good landing spot. Also, keep an eye on Syracuse if Fran Brown jumps to a bigger job.
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Anon1686156596

Oct 27, 3:16 PM

FWCOACH said:
I don't think he would have success at Wisky because the recruiting base is terrible. PSU and VT have good recruiting areas. So I could see that. I'd be shocked if Kelly went to the ACC though because he'd get smacked by ND.
I think BK will retire or end up on ESPN? Fox? He does have a smart ass sense of humor, I’d watch him!
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apegambino

Oct 27, 3:19 PM

Nemeth5 said:
I am not a big BK fan, but I was one of the few who wanted ND to keep him after his atrocious year (2016?) and was disappointed when he left. I think LSU fired him prematurely. Yes, he has disappointed, but he never lost any bad games that I can think of and now LSU enters an already saturated market for a new coach. They are out a coach and 53MM!
It wasnt a premature firing IMO. Its what LSU had to do. BK was embarrassing Saturday night. Everytime they cut to him he was going off on a coach or player. Exactly what always happens when BK is in high-pressure games. The body language from the team was that they just quit on him. The interactions with him and Nuss were tense as hell. LSU prides themselves on night games in Baton Rouge and Mike Elko personally poured it on because he cant stand BK. There was no coming back from this performance for LSU. This was the last straw and I totally agree with the decision. He also did himself no favors calling reporters spoiled. Telling everyone last season he's keeping receipts and will be in the NC game. They poured $20 million into this roster to go 7-5? Not happening in a proud college football program like LSU.
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Irishmark

Oct 27, 3:21 PM

Unfortunately for him, his legacy will be that he is a very good coach but couldn’t get to the top (at least not at big boy football). He will also be known as a good recruiter but not a great recruiter. He will be seen as arrogant (“I’ve been doing this a long time”). And for some reason a coach who could not get the best out his players in big games. All in all, not bad but not elite. He also became very wealthy in a profession that can chew you up and spit you out in a hurry. As far as ND is concerned he should be given respect and credit for his tenure here in significantly improving the program although that is somewhat tainted by the way he left and the comments he made afterwards.
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Headless

Oct 27, 3:27 PM

apegambino said:
Mike Elko personally poured it on because he cant stand BK.
Not that I doubt this, but what is the story around this? Something from when Elko was here, or other published details of their relationship. Yes - this is a request for hearsay and gossip. I'll hang up and and wait for your response while reading the National Enquirer... lol
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Michael Tarheel

Oct 27, 3:30 PM

highnoon2 said:
Why would he coach. I would think he could retire nicely. $50,000,000.00
Because you can do it again and make less, but maybe another $20MM in a few years...
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NDHogan

Oct 27, 3:34 PM

If you want to go 8-4 and love fruit and salad rather than meat and potatoes, then Kelly is your guy!

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