Any support to retain Mike Norvell has disappeared

northvanole said:

A few days ago, the Boosters sent out their annual email to solicit renewals for 2026. I was not amused at the timing. In the past few years, current leadership concentrated heavily on increasing the number of Big Money Boosters, whether through creating more expensive upper tier Boosters classifications or the Bowden Society. The renovation of Doak - that the vast majority of season ticket holders actually wanted - was heavily skewed to benefit the small group of the upper tier boosters. To the season ticket holding middle class, that wasn’t what they were asking for. And to sell out season tickets, Leadership is dependent on the middle class sticking around and remaining engaged. Lose the middle class, and future growth gets limited. With about 7000 fewer “real” seats in Doak for the 2025 season, the Boosters could not sell out season tickets this year, even though Alabama was making its first trip to Doak. The reviews of the renovation have been very positive, but you have to actually buy a game ticket to see it. FSU did not need 2025 to be a rebuilding season. With finances being the way they are, and with the upper tier Boosters starting to feel a bit tapped out, FSU needed a breakout year. The current season may not look as bad as 2024, but “not as bad” was not the goal. What will be the sales pitch for 2026? That the season just got ”easier” because ND is not coming to Doak as planned? Attention will turn from Norvell to Alford, because the fan base, as I see it, is exhausted with the discussion of what to do about Norvell. Well, at least I am. The support for going after Jimbo seems to be growing. How many breadcrumbs does Leadership need? (It would be amusing to see Alford try and control Jimbo. That alone might be worth it.). As far as the majority of the fans are concerned (based on non scientific research of multiple websites), the Norvell era has ended. He cannot be saved. Because if Norvell is retained, “it has been reported” that the big money Boosters are not interested in financing Norvell 3.0. But - they don’t want to buy him out either. Tis a conundrum. But it’s a conundrum of the FSU Leadership’s making. I don’t care how difficult the situation is. Do your job.

Smileynole said:

It is not Alford final decision. From what I was told the President did not want to fire him.

northvanole said:

A few days ago, the Boosters sent out their annual email to solicit renewals for 2026. I was not amused at the timing. In the past few years, current leadership concentrated heavily on increasing the number of Big Money Boosters, whether through creating more expensive upper tier Boosters classifications or the Bowden Society. The renovation of Doak - that the vast majority of season ticket holders actually wanted - was heavily skewed to benefit the small group of the upper tier boosters. To the season ticket holding middle class, that wasn’t what they were asking for. And to sell out season tickets, Leadership is dependent on the middle class sticking around and remaining engaged. Lose the middle class, and future growth gets limited. With about 7000 fewer “real” seats in Doak for the 2025 season, the Boosters could not sell out season tickets this year, even though Alabama was making its first trip to Doak. The reviews of the renovation have been very positive, but you have to actually buy a game ticket to see it. FSU did not need 2025 to be a rebuilding season. With finances being the way they are, and with the upper tier Boosters starting to feel a bit tapped out, FSU needed a breakout year. The current season may not look as bad as 2024, but “not as bad” was not the goal. What will be the sales pitch for 2026? That the season just got ”easier” because ND is not coming to Doak as planned? Attention will turn from Norvell to Alford, because the fan base, as I see it, is exhausted with the discussion of what to do about Norvell. Well, at least I am. The support for going after Jimbo seems to be growing. How many breadcrumbs does Leadership need? (It would be amusing to see Alford try and control Jimbo. That alone might be worth it.). As far as the majority of the fans are concerned (based on non scientific research of multiple websites), the Norvell era has ended. He cannot be saved. Because if Norvell is retained, “it has been reported” that the big money Boosters are not interested in financing Norvell 3.0. But - they don’t want to buy him out either. Tis a conundrum. But it’s a conundrum of the FSU Leadership’s making. I don’t care how difficult the situation is. Do your job.

northvanole said:

A few days ago, the Boosters sent out their annual email to solicit renewals for 2026. I was not amused at the timing. In the past few years, current leadership concentrated heavily on increasing the number of Big Money Boosters, whether through creating more expensive upper tier Boosters classifications or the Bowden Society. The renovation of Doak - that the vast majority of season ticket holders actually wanted - was heavily skewed to benefit the small group of the upper tier boosters. To the season ticket holding middle class, that wasn’t what they were asking for. And to sell out season tickets, Leadership is dependent on the middle class sticking around and remaining engaged. Lose the middle class, and future growth gets limited. With about 7000 fewer “real” seats in Doak for the 2025 season, the Boosters could not sell out season tickets this year, even though Alabama was making its first trip to Doak. The reviews of the renovation have been very positive, but you have to actually buy a game ticket to see it. FSU did not need 2025 to be a rebuilding season. With finances being the way they are, and with the upper tier Boosters starting to feel a bit tapped out, FSU needed a breakout year. The current season may not look as bad as 2024, but “not as bad” was not the goal. What will be the sales pitch for 2026? That the season just got ”easier” because ND is not coming to Doak as planned? Attention will turn from Norvell to Alford, because the fan base, as I see it, is exhausted with the discussion of what to do about Norvell. Well, at least I am. The support for going after Jimbo seems to be growing. How many breadcrumbs does Leadership need? (It would be amusing to see Alford try and control Jimbo. That alone might be worth it.). As far as the majority of the fans are concerned (based on non scientific research of multiple websites), the Norvell era has ended. He cannot be saved. Because if Norvell is retained, “it has been reported” that the big money Boosters are not interested in financing Norvell 3.0. But - they don’t want to buy him out either. Tis a conundrum. But it’s a conundrum of the FSU Leadership’s making. I don’t care how difficult the situation is. Do your job.

Smileynole said:

It is not Alford final decision. From what I was told the President did not want to fire him.

SilencioNole said:

If norvell is untouchable because of his buyout then you must fire those who signed off on his deal. Something has to give here. Our problem is not going to be fixed with the same coaches and administration going forward.

divinnole said:

You lost me at bringing Jimbo back.

northvanole said:

I don’t doubt that he has to sign off on any termination that will cause a multi-million dollar payout. Maybe he will do a bit more due diligence on giving giant raises in the future. But he needed Norvell to win out in order to maintain his position. In my post, I wrote that it seems - based on what was reported - that the big Boosters don’t want to invest further with Norvell nor do they want to buy him out. The President could always stall making a move so long as both are true, but keeping Norvell and not investing more in football is not going to work.

FSUkenny said:

Fire Alford needs to be priority one !

FisherWilcoxTaggart Survivor said:

If you know anything about Alford, he is all about "appearances." Two weeks ago, he said -- to the dismay of many -- that the football program would be evaluated at the end of the year. Since then, we beat Wake quite handily, and then got embarrassed at Clemson. Not embarrassed on the scoreboard, so much, but just in the obviously sloppy and disjointed play we all saw. The team was not ready to compete despite the enormity of the game (at least from Norvell's standpoint). Was last night's toe-stub enough for Alford to now rescind his original statement about a "year-end evaluation"?? What explanation would he offer?? Rest assured "that" is of critical importance to Alford. I don't see how he CAN'T fire Norvell immediately. Whether he does remains to be seen.

northvanole said:

A few days ago, the Boosters sent out their annual email to solicit renewals for 2026. I was not amused at the timing. In the past few years, current leadership concentrated heavily on increasing the number of Big Money Boosters, whether through creating more expensive upper tier Boosters classifications or the Bowden Society. The renovation of Doak - that the vast majority of season ticket holders actually wanted - was heavily skewed to benefit the small group of the upper tier boosters. To the season ticket holding middle class, that wasn’t what they were asking for. And to sell out season tickets, Leadership is dependent on the middle class sticking around and remaining engaged. Lose the middle class, and future growth gets limited. With about 7000 fewer “real” seats in Doak for the 2025 season, the Boosters could not sell out season tickets this year, even though Alabama was making its first trip to Doak. The reviews of the renovation have been very positive, but you have to actually buy a game ticket to see it. FSU did not need 2025 to be a rebuilding season. With finances being the way they are, and with the upper tier Boosters starting to feel a bit tapped out, FSU needed a breakout year. The current season may not look as bad as 2024, but “not as bad” was not the goal. What will be the sales pitch for 2026? That the season just got ”easier” because ND is not coming to Doak as planned? Attention will turn from Norvell to Alford, because the fan base, as I see it, is exhausted with the discussion of what to do about Norvell. Well, at least I am. The support for going after Jimbo seems to be growing. How many breadcrumbs does Leadership need? (It would be amusing to see Alford try and control Jimbo. That alone might be worth it.). As far as the majority of the fans are concerned (based on non scientific research of multiple websites), the Norvell era has ended. He cannot be saved. Because if Norvell is retained, “it has been reported” that the big money Boosters are not interested in financing Norvell 3.0. But - they don’t want to buy him out either. Tis a conundrum. But it’s a conundrum of the FSU Leadership’s making. I don’t care how difficult the situation is. Do your job.

FisherWilcoxTaggart Survivor said:

If you know anything about Alford, he is all about "appearances." Two weeks ago, he said -- to the dismay of many -- that the football program would be evaluated at the end of the year. Since then, we beat Wake quite handily, and then got embarrassed at Clemson. Not embarrassed on the scoreboard, so much, but just in the obviously sloppy and disjointed play we all saw. The team was not ready to compete despite the enormity of the game (at least from Norvell's standpoint). Was last night's toe-stub enough for Alford to now rescind his original statement about a "year-end evaluation"?? What explanation would he offer?? Rest assured "that" is of critical importance to Alford. I don't see how he CAN'T fire Norvell immediately. Whether he does remains to be seen.

Master of Muppets said:

You talk a lot about people’s motivations that you don’t really know about.

NoleOne said:

They have really ticked off a lot of Silver Chiefs and Golden Chiefs with the parking situation. It also still takes 30 minutes of waiting in line to get into the stadium because they hire about half the number of entry gate people.

FisherWilcoxTaggart Survivor said:

Have you ever met Alford (for more than 2 minutes)? Just curious.

FisherWilcoxTaggart Survivor said:

At some point this continued suckage completely kills Alford’s talking points about “the brand” and “the standard.” An increasing number of people were not even alive during The Dynasty years. And that growing population associates FSU football with “meh” (or less) moreso than “great.” FSU is in danger of becoming irrelevant. All at the same time that it wants a full-share P2 invitation.

divinnole said:

You lost me at bringing Jimbo back.