As much as i want the "buckle up" news to come out now

Didn’t he graduate last year?

jmartin said:

I think waiting until after osu's game Saturday would be optional. That way if jv does play, and is eventually ruled ineligible, that would already give them 2 losses on the season.

I wouldn't hold your breath on any of this stuff. Just enjoy the seaon and the latest gift from the football gods we have for 3 years.

I don’t think it quite works that way. I don’t think that an ineligible player playing automatically results in vacated wins.

Ex parte Young said:

I don’t think it quite works that way. I don’t think that an ineligible player playing automatically results in vacated wins.

Ineligable player is the only way and automatically triggers vacated wins. Its black and white no real grey area from my understanding. So looked at the same as if Michigan had Mason Graham suit up for 2 games. He is not eligible regardless of reason.

Kelly Baraka said:

Didn’t he graduate last year?

He's on their 2025 roster.

Trogdor said:

He's on their 2025 roster.

Literally none of this will happen. OSU vacates nothing, I am sure there will be some stories shared about how info was leaked and shared but thats about it. Time to move on.

I'm curious how the timing of any disclosure by the media or Michigan sources would matter. If ineligibility would be based on facts already known by the player and by OSU, I don't think that public disclosure could relevant. OSU would be obligated to sideline the player. Period. Am I missing something?

There is great value in having OSU exposed as Ohio State Pussies. However, they will never vacate any games or titles. The ncaa would have to trash their own beloved Sign Gate case that they worked so diligently on. Ain’t gonna happen. They will continue to lie like crazy.

ThisIsRecruiting said:

Literally none of this will happen. OSU vacates nothing, I am sure there will be some stories shared about how info was leaked and shared but thats about it. Time to move on.

It’s not time to move on, it’s time to move in. I don’t care about vacated wins. I want the OSU connection to this fiasco exposed. This needs to be done so that this kind of BS doesn’t happen again to any team.

I just don't see it. A few reasons: -Michigan is a 1 party consent state, recording someone like JV supposedly did isn't illegal/against NCAA rules -Taking a photo of a laptop isn't illegal. It's not "hacking" to snap a photo of someone's screen. -All feels like a ton of conjecture and 2nd/3rd hand sourcing... many of the parties involved are incredibly biased. -Hiring a PI to go to the NCAA isn't illegal/against NCAA rules If we're going to die on the hill of "they tampered with JV"... good luck with that.

IndyWolverine23 said:

I just don't see it. A few reasons: -Michigan is a 1 party consent state, recording someone like JV supposedly did isn't illegal/against NCAA rules -Taking a photo of a laptop isn't illegal. It's not "hacking" to snap a photo of someone's screen. -All feels like a ton of conjecture and 2nd/3rd hand sourcing... many of the parties involved are incredibly biased. -Hiring a PI to go to the NCAA isn't illegal/against NCAA rules If we're going to die on the hill of "they tampered with JV"... good luck with that.

Agree. And the NCAA wants no part of this. But I think the details that can be verified should be shared.

Kelly Baraka said:

Didn’t he graduate last year?

He played last Saturday.

WolverineCasual said:

Agree. And the NCAA wants no part of this. But I think the details that can be verified should be shared.

Yeah at this point all I'm hoping for is that people recognize/talk about how slimy OSU was in all of this. Any real NCAA punishment seems unrealistic

VivaLasVegas said:

It’s not time to move on, it’s time to move in. I don’t care about vacated wins. I want the OSU connection to this fiasco exposed. This needs to be done so that this kind of BS doesn’t happen again to any team.

Will never happen to the level that you want it to.

ThisIsRecruiting said:

Literally none of this will happen. OSU vacates nothing, I am sure there will be some stories shared about how info was leaked and shared but thats about it. Time to move on.

If any school is aloud to play an ineligible player and not vacate wins it will be OSU. I mean, they’ve already been doing it for 25 years. Funny how some people haven’t figured this out yet. I will also predict that after next season the NCAA will allow Sophomores to enter the NFL draft so they can get rid of BU for OSU too. Saying it here first!

ThisIsRecruiting said:

Will never happen to the level that you want it to.

Maybe. But why should that prevent @totchman and his “coalition of the willing” from pursuing it? If this whole thing is as underhanded and out of bounds as the mods and other have alluded then why not pursue the truth? The consequences may not live up to the hopes and dreams of the most aggressive OSU haters (myself included), but that’s not a reason to stop the pursuit of exposing them as the soft, scared, toxic cheating disease infested rats that they are for the whole world to see, and see what happens punishment wise. Their exposure is a massive win in and of itself. Am I wrong?

ThisIsRecruiting said:

OSU vacates nothing, I am sure there will be some stories shared about how info was leaked and shared but thats about it.

Agreed.

ThisIsRecruiting said:

Time to move on.

No.

mikey ray said:

Maybe. But why should that prevent @totchman and his “coalition of the willing” from pursuing it? If this whole thing is as underhanded and out of bounds as the mods and other have alluded then why not pursue the truth? The consequences may not live up to the hopes and dreams of the most aggressive OSU haters (myself included), but that’s not a reason to stop the pursuit of exposing them as the soft, scared, toxic cheating disease infested rats that they are for the whole world to see, and see what happens punishment wise. Their exposure is a massive win in and of itself. Am I wrong?

Pursue it by all means, but OPs first post was specifically referencing JV playing again this week, being ineligible, and because of that OSU will have 2 losses. But nothing will be vacated because of this, that's the point

IndyWolverine23 said:

-Taking a photo of a laptop isn't illegal. It's not "hacking" to snap a photo of someone's screen.

An attorney was on air on WTKA yesterday saying the opposite. I do think this is a critical question.

IndyWolverine23 said:

I just don't see it. A few reasons: -Michigan is a 1 party consent state, recording someone like JV supposedly did isn't illegal/against NCAA rules -Taking a photo of a laptop isn't illegal. It's not "hacking" to snap a photo of someone's screen. -All feels like a ton of conjecture and 2nd/3rd hand sourcing... many of the parties involved are incredibly biased. -Hiring a PI to go to the NCAA isn't illegal/against NCAA rules If we're going to die on the hill of "they tampered with JV"... good luck with that.

Actually, 1 party consent does not apply if the recorded call is criminal or tortious in nature. If the call is as reported, it was definitely tortious in nature. It may also may have been criminal if it was related to a crime such as property theft (as in data from a personal computer)

TCWolverine said:

Actually, 1 party consent does not apply if the recorded call is criminal or tortious in nature. If the call is as reported, it was definitely tortious in nature. It may also may have been criminal if it was related to a crime such as property theft (as in data from a personal computer)

Can you explain what that means and give a reference?

Not sure it results in anything other than embarrassment that they (OSU) induced a kid to spy and incentivized him/family to do so. That is pathetic and I am good with Day being repeatedly asked about it and ”no commenting” if the proof is real.

Djamesc said:

If any school is aloud to play an ineligible player and not vacate wins it will be OSU. I mean, they’ve already been doing it for 25 years. Funny how some people haven’t figured this out yet. I will also predict that after next season the NCAA will allow Sophomores to enter the NFL draft so they can get rid of BU for OSU too. Saying it here first!

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