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Collin Chandler is a good college basketball player who can sometimes poster the hell out of someone. However, Collin Chandler is not a point guard, and he is not a Final Four–caliber shooting guard either. He has a very slow jump shot, but he is athletic—like a worse version of Otega Oweh (at least for now). In big games against the best competition, you need someone like Kobe Brea, who can fly off screens with a trailing defender and quickly shoot a pure jumper with lots of confidence, or create his own shot. That is not Chandler’s game at all. If we want to compete for a title this season and next, we need to move on from the Chandler experiment at the 1–2 and get a proper point guard and a proper shooting guard. He can only ever be a backup, athletic wing, glue guy who can knock down wide open shots. That's his role.
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Phil_The_Music2

Dec 24, 6:17 PM

It's hard to take someone's opinion seriously when they can't even figure out how to change their screen name.
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Son_Of_Saul

Dec 24, 6:21 PM

Chandler is actually great as a 7th man. He's only going to get better with time. Even if Pope doesn't make it here, he's the type of player that I want to retain regardless of the coach.
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FormerlyAnon954350

Dec 24, 6:23 PM

Phil_The_Music2 said:
It's hard to take someone's opinion seriously when they can't even figure out how to change their screen name.
Nobody cares about the name, Phil. My opinion is correct. Collin Chandler is not a PG and is not a SG, and Mark Pope may keep stringing him along, leading to a more stagnant offense this season and the next, preventing us from getting the players we need. I said it before this season: though Collin is a decent player, he is not either of the roles we are trying to force him to play, and he crowds our backcourt rotations, preventing us from landing elite guards.
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Johnnie Africa

Dec 24, 6:24 PM

Anon954350 said:
Nobody cares about the name, Phil. My opinion is correct. Collin Chandler is not a PG and is not a SG, and Mark Pope may keep stringing him along, leading to a more stagnant offense this season and the next, preventing us from getting the players we need. I said it before this season: though Collin is a decent player, he is not either of the roles we are trying to force him to play, and he crowds our backcourt rotations, preventing us from landing elite guards.
In all seriousness though, do you honestly have no idea how to make a screen name?
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FormerlyAnon954350

Dec 24, 6:29 PM

Johnnie Africa said:
In all seriousness though, do you honestly have no idea how to make a screen name?
I've had accounts on here, subscribed and everything. I just didn't feel like putting a name. It doesn't seem important lol
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Son_Of_Saul

Dec 24, 6:31 PM

The Anon accounts remind me of the riff raff gang from A Clockwork Orange.
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Ky_Bred_Cat

Dec 24, 6:31 PM

Chandler seems very frustrated. IMO he should be. My guess: he is frustrated with playing with 3 guys that are somewhat 'get mine' first - Oweh, Aberdeen and Mo D - and the team and his game are suffering because of it. I believe having three primary players that play like this is a major reason for the teams offensive issues. All a defense has to do is watch us dribble. And this is also why its night and day different when Lowe comes in.
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FormerlyAnon954350

Dec 24, 6:34 PM

Son_Of_Saul said:
The Anon accounts remind me of the riff raff gang from A Clockwork Orange.
I am no longer in the anon gang. I have found my identity.
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FormerlyAnon954350

Dec 24, 6:41 PM

My main point is that CC is probably comparable to a sophomore Otega Oweh—he has flashes but likely won’t fully find his game until his junior or senior year. He could break out as an athletic wing who can knock down wide-open catch-and-shoot shots. However, we’re currently trying to force him into a 1 or 2 role, similarly to how we’re forcing Aberdeen to play the 1. CC just isn’t either of those roles for a title team, in my opinion. My fear is that Pope will keep trying to force this year after year, and it will prevent us from having open minutes at the guard spot for elite talent—kind of like how Acaden Lewis and Lamar Wilkerson felt there weren't enough minutes.
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I’m The Village Idiot

Dec 24, 6:43 PM

I don’t understand why people always focus on what Chandler can’t do, rather than we he can do. I get frustrated by his indecision on both sides of the ball and that leads to him making the following types of errors: - Guesses wrong on a driving lane to give up layups. - Guesses wrong on screens so ends up going under or over at points. - Struggles to decide when it’s time to attempt a drive or spot up. - Confidence fluctuates on his shot. - Has poor discipline defensively, as he uses his arms and hands far too much. Fixable. ^ These are all 100% correctable issues. Now, I’m going to talk about what makes Chandler a special talent. - Elite athleticism that very, very few players can match. - The ability to shoot from very deep. Doesn’t need to hug the three point line —- this forces defenses to stretch further than normal, thus opening up cutting lanes, back doors, etc. - Elite quickness and willingness to play defense offensively. What I mean here is he enjoys challenging with his chest. At his best, he has perimeter lockdown potential. - Point guard passing skills. Can make any pass, from any angle, with either hand. Makes ridiculous reads without hesitation. The only issues with his game that aren’t short-term fixable is his inability to defend when someone gets feet into the paint. He’s simply not strong enough to make the shots more difficult. Also, his ball handling is far too rigid and he needs heavy work there. This kid is only a sophomore and has potential to be a star someday. Be patient with this kid, BBN.
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NociHTTP

Dec 24, 6:50 PM

Son_Of_Saul said:
Chandler is actually great as a 7th man. He's only going to get better with time. Even if Pope doesn't make it here, he's the type of player that I want to retain regardless of the coach.
C'mon, Saul. Really?
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FormerlyAnon954350

Dec 24, 6:56 PM

I’m The Village Idiot said:
I don’t understand why people always focus on what Chandler can’t do, rather than we he can do. I get frustrated by his indecision on both sides of the ball and that leads to him making the following types of errors: - Guesses wrong on a driving lane to give up layups. - Guesses wrong on screens so ends up going under or over at points. - Struggles to decide when it’s time to attempt a drive or spot up. - Confidence fluctuates on his shot. - Has poor discipline defensively, as he uses his arms and hands far too much. Fixable. ^ These are all 100% correctable issues. Now, I’m going to talk about what makes Chandler a special talent. - Elite athleticism that very, very few players can match. - The ability to shoot from very deep. Doesn’t need to hug the three point line —- this forces defenses to stretch further than normal, thus opening up cutting lanes, back doors, etc. - Elite quickness and willingness to play defense offensively. What I mean here is he enjoys challenging with his chest. At his best, he has perimeter lockdown potential. - Point guard passing skills. Can make any pass, from any angle, with either hand. Makes ridiculous reads without hesitation. The only issues with his game that aren’t short-term fixable is his inability to defend when someone gets feet into the paint. He’s simply not strong enough to make the shots more difficult. Also, his ball handling is far too rigid and he needs heavy work there. This kid is only a sophomore and has potential to be a star someday. Be patient with this kid, BBN.
In your mind, can you honestly visualize CC in a Final Four game, against the best team in the country, as the starting SG—knocking down highly contested shots with little separation and all the pressure on him? ... Or is he more of an athletic role player who thrives with less of the scoring and playmaking load? Which is why I said CC is better suited as a breakout junior/senior-year wing, similar to Oweh. I’m not saying kick him off the team—I’m saying slide him down, develop him properly, and go get a true backup PG and a true shot-making starting SG. There is no reason Kentucky, a program that competes for titles, should be forcing players to play outside their natural roles or playstyles. We should develop the players we have at their natural positions and go out and get the best, already-proven players at the guard spots.
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I’m The Village Idiot

Dec 24, 7:01 PM

FormerlyAnon954350 said:
In your mind, can you honestly visualize CC in a Final Four game, against the best team in the country, as the starting SG—knocking down highly contested shots with little separation and all the pressure on him? ... Or is he more of an athletic role player who thrives with less of the scoring and playmaking load? Which is why I said CC is better suited as a breakout junior/senior-year wing, similar to Oweh. I’m not saying kick him off the team—I’m saying slide him down, develop him properly, and go get a true backup PG and a true shot-making starting SG. There is no reason Kentucky, a program that competes for titles, should be forcing players to play outside their natural roles or playstyles. We should develop the players we have at their natural positions and go out and get the best, already-proven players at the guard spots.
Yes. I think people are overreacting to his slump. His defense hasn’t been good this year, but he has the ability. His shot will return again and he absolutely can be a big contributor on a Final Four team if the situation is right. I don’t have CC as a starter but that’s because I see a different vision for the team atm. Lowe Oweh Williams Dioubate Quaintance Chandler would be my 6th man.
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FormerlyAnon954350

Dec 24, 7:05 PM

I’m The Village Idiot said:
Yes. I think people are overreacting to his slump. His defense hasn’t been good this year, but he has the ability. His shot will return again and he absolutely can be a big contributor on a Final Four team if the situation is right. I don’t have CC as a starter but that’s because I see a different vision for the team atm. Lowe Oweh Williams Dioubate Quaintance Chandler would be my 6th man.
Okay, that's fine. We just disagree. I don't think that's his game. I think you pair CC with someone like that instead, which is part of the reason the offense is looking historically bad. We have 1 Oweh and 2 Oweh(lites) on the floor at the same time.
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davtay

Dec 24, 7:19 PM

FormerlyAnon954350 said:
My main point is that CC is probably comparable to a sophomore Otega Oweh—he has flashes but likely won’t fully find his game until his junior or senior year. He could break out as an athletic wing who can knock down wide-open catch-and-shoot shots. However, we’re currently trying to force him into a 1 or 2 role, similarly to how we’re forcing Aberdeen to play the 1. CC just isn’t either of those roles for a title team, in my opinion. My fear is that Pope will keep trying to force this year after year, and it will prevent us from having open minutes at the guard spot for elite talent—kind of like how Acaden Lewis and Lamar Wilkerson felt there weren't enough minutes.
Not bad points. But Wilkerson didn't come here because Indiana hired his coach from Sam Houston State. Otherwise he would have been a Cat.
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*Fox2Monk*

Dec 24, 7:28 PM

FormerlyAnon954350 said:
Nobody cares about the name, Phil. My opinion is correct. Collin Chandler is not a PG and is not a SG, and Mark Pope may keep stringing him along, leading to a more stagnant offense this season and the next, preventing us from getting the players we need. I said it before this season: though Collin is a decent player, he is not either of the roles we are trying to force him to play, and he crowds our backcourt rotations, preventing us from landing elite guards.
That’s not Collins fault. That is Pope’s fault for failing to recruit the proper guys who can handle the ball and run a team in case of emergency. He’s a very good SF. A good shooting one at that most of the time. The only reason he is playing guard at all is because both seasons all our ball handlers have been hurt. Last season Jaxson, Kerr, and Lamont. This year all we have is Lowe. Aberdeen tries and JJ isn’t close to a 1.
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Anony Moose

Dec 24, 7:32 PM

FormerlyAnon954350 said:
Nobody cares about the name, Phil. My opinion is correct. Collin Chandler is not a PG and is not a SG, and Mark Pope may keep stringing him along, leading to a more stagnant offense this season and the next, preventing us from getting the players we need. I said it before this season: though Collin is a decent player, he is not either of the roles we are trying to force him to play, and he crowds our backcourt rotations, preventing us from landing elite guards.
It's the fallacy strategy they resort to when they can't retort the actual argument. Take it as a win and badge of honor.
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*Fox2Monk*

Dec 24, 7:33 PM

I’m The Village Idiot said:
Yes. I think people are overreacting to his slump. His defense hasn’t been good this year, but he has the ability. His shot will return again and he absolutely can be a big contributor on a Final Four team if the situation is right. I don’t have CC as a starter but that’s because I see a different vision for the team atm. Lowe Oweh Williams Dioubate Quaintance Chandler would be my 6th man.
I agree with this. He provides athleticism and shooting. Also his passing is very good and he’s not selfish.
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MonsterMash79

Dec 24, 7:49 PM

FormerlyAnon954350 said:
I've had accounts on here, subscribed and everything. I just didn't feel like putting a name. It doesn't seem important lol
It’s not important but you post 24/7 ?
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FormerlyAnon954350

Dec 24, 7:59 PM

*Fox2Monk* said:
That’s not Collins fault. That is Pope’s fault for failing to recruit the proper guys who can handle the ball and run a team in case of emergency. He’s a very good SF. A good shooting one at that most of the time. The only reason he is playing guard at all is because both seasons all our ball handlers have been hurt. Last season Jaxson, Kerr, and Lamont. This year all we have is Lowe. Aberdeen tries and JJ isn’t close to a 1.
Yes, I said I’m afraid Mark Pope may keep trying to force it year after year. Pope needs to land elite guys for their roles instead of forcing 2nd- or 3rd-option players to adapt, when we miss on players. It’s not CC’s fault. I’m pro Chandler, but anti-Chandler at the 1 or 2 if we’re going to win a title—just like I’m pro Dioubate but anti-Dioubate as a 3-point shooter if we’re going to be a title team. I think we need elite scorers and shot-makers at the guard spot, paired with a Chandler on the wing.
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FormerlyAnon954350

Dec 24, 8:00 PM

MonsterMash79 said:
It’s not important but you post 24/7 ?
I do? Must be another Anon. We all look like alike.
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Drogon

Dec 24, 8:08 PM

Remember, Chandler is still playing a bit catch-up from his mission time. He was away from coaching and competitive basketball for like 18 months. It's a testament to his hard work that he's where he is now. He's gonna have peaks and valleys. Next season is where his freshmen and sophomore seasons should start to yield more consistent results. I'd say he's progressing just fine. A healthy full-time PG wouldn't hurt.
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Ednunn

Dec 24, 8:08 PM

He doesn‘t get hurt.
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wildcatdon

Dec 24, 8:12 PM

FormerlyAnon954350 said:
Collin Chandler is a good college basketball player who can sometimes poster the hell out of someone. However, Collin Chandler is not a point guard, and he is not a Final Four–caliber shooting guard either. He has a very slow, ugly jump shot, but he is athletic—like a worse version of Otega Oweh (at least for now). In big games against the best competition, you need someone like Kobe Brea, who can fly off screens with a trailing defender and quickly shoot a pure jumper with lots of confidence, or create his own shot. That is not Chandler’s game at all. If we want to compete for a title this season and next, we need to move on from the Chandler experiment at the 1–2 and get a proper point guard and a proper shooting guard. He can only ever be a backup, athletic wing, glue guy who can knock down wide open shots. That's his role.
Put the bottle down and worry about something else. Geez.

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