Crime and punishment

Let's see if a taunting penalty happens again this season. Maybe it has been handled.

Agree, Wichita. But then again, perhaps there has been some other type of punishment way more enlightening and memorable for BH? Its easy (usually ha) to yank a guy out for doing something so stupid like that - but then the follow up is what is truly important.

Yeah, the last thing we need is Warde chiming in on how to coach. The dude can't even do his job well. We also have no idea what has been said to Hillman. Priority 1 is to win the game and priority 2 is to teach Hillman which can be done after the game. This narrative of Biff has to pull the player out that very second or the lesson is lost is stupid. Compounding the mistake with another mistake by causing a loss is much worse. Also, can we please stop trying to fit everything Michigan in what would Bo do?

Had the chance to address it last week with the team also when Jyaire Hill should have been called for taunting.

Dumb celebrations like that require player leadership to step in imo… especially with the HC gone. The best teams are player led. I’m not saying Biff/Wink shouldn’t have sat him down for the series, but it would be nice if our defensive leaders could tell them to cut the crap and focus on playing football.

Dumb moment for sure, but he's also our best S at a crucial time in the game. Not saying pulling him wouldn't have been justified, but that is quite the call for an Interim HC with the game on the line. Better to teach this lesson in a different manner and teach it to the whole team. That secondary needs to find their inner Barry Sanders and start playing the game a little smarter.

Wichita Blue said:

Still can’t believe Biff was so soft as a leader that’s he left Hillman in the game. Warde knows how Bo would have handled the situation. He needs to communicate the need for stronger team discipline to Sherrone and all the football coaches. Maybe in today’s climate players have to be paid per step for every Michigan Stadium step they have to run at 6:00 AM. But whatever the punishment is, it needs to send a message to the entire team.

These things are handled internally and you won't ever hear about it. Nor should you.

Discipline comes in many forms. There's Lou Holtz grabbing a players face mask, while screaming at the kid, and there's Steve Fisher ruling with an iron stomach. Let the coaches handle things in a way that works best for them.

I mean I was kind of surprised he didn't get pulled, but I'm not questioning their decision on this. Hillman f'ed up, he knows it, everyone knows it and as others said I'm sure it will be handled internally. It was still a close game and you don't put the game in jeopardy to "send a message" that everyone already knows.

Wichita Blue said:

Still can’t believe Biff was so soft as a leader that he left Hillman in the game. Warde knows how Bo would have handled the situation. He needs to communicate the need for stronger team discipline to Sherrone and all the football coaches. Maybe in today’s climate players have to be paid per step for every Michigan Stadium step they have to run at 6:00 AM. But whatever the punishment is, it needs to send a message to the entire team.

Respectfully...

Dostoevsky’s exploration of criminality, morality and guilt in Crime and Punishment is perhaps a good starting point in assessing the potential consequences of the Michigan staff’s lack of holding Hillman immediately accountable for his taunting of Nebraska. In the novel, Raskolnikov’s murder of a pawnbroker and her sister is not just a plot device, it’s a philosophical experiment. He believes some individuals (like Napoleon) are above moral law. The novel explores whether such a belief can withstand the crushing weight of guilt and conscience. Sort of wonder if our coaching staff is treating certain star players like little Napoleons and, if so, what the impact of that is on team culture.

Yes, that’s exactly what we need….Warde coming in to leave a f’n opinion. No thanks!

richcardo73 said:

I mean I was kind of surprised he didn't get pulled, but I'm not questioning their decision on this. Hillman f'ed up, he knows it, everyone knows it and as others said I'm sure it will be handled internally. It was still a close game and you don't put the game in jeopardy to "send a message" that everyone already knows.

Hillman’s actions were a public embarrassment, not only to him but to the team and the university. Pulling him out of the game asap is not only sending a message to Hillman, but more importantly, to everybody viewing the game. That message being—We are the University of Michigan and that behavior will not be tolerated by any athlete wearing a Michigan uniform. Pray tell how the coaching staff conveys THAT message by handling things internally?

What is the obsession with acting like Michigan is Georgia??? He had a bad penalty he didnt kill anyone in a car accident. Let the coaches handle it.

Jim_S said:

Hillman’s actions were a public embarrassment, not only to him but to the team and the university. Pulling him out of the game asap is not only sending a message to Hillman, but more importantly, to everybody viewing the game. That message being—We are the University of Michigan and that behavior will not be tolerated by any athlete wearing a Michigan uniform. Pray tell how the coaching staff conveys THAT message by handling things internally?

A bit over the top here, Jim. If you look at the replay, he simply pumped his fists a couple times (the receiver caught the ball gesture) and then walked away. It's not like he flipped someone the bird mid-field or got into an ugly situation. It wasn't really a big deal and probably wouldn't have even been called in $EC land.

mpuck20 said:

Had the chance to address it last week with the team also when Jyaire Hill should have been called for taunting.

When was he taunting?

MRSharkFB said:

These things are handled internally and you won't ever hear about it. Nor should you.

Which is fine as long as they are being handled but doesn’t seem like they are. i dont think there was any gray area on that penalty, that kind of thing is pretty much always flagged…..so was pretty glaringly stupid

The pearl clutching is insane. Every week yall find something to cry about. I can already tell this bye week will be brutal on here.

joelhindy1 said:

Yeah, the last thing we need is Warde chiming in on how to coach. The dude can't even do his job well. We also have no idea what has been said to Hillman. Priority 1 is to win the game and priority 2 is to teach Hillman which can be done after the game. This narrative of Biff has to pull the player out that very second or the lesson is lost is stupid. Compounding the mistake with another mistake by causing a loss is much worse. Also, can we please stop trying to fit everything Michigan in what would Bo do?

We can agree to disagree. We have had the flag planting bs and the taunting. Team discipline needs to tighten up. Nebraska has a very good QB but weaknesses along its OL and DL. A taunting penalty against a really good team could easily cause a loss.

Wichita Blue said:

Still can’t believe Biff was so soft as a leader that he left Hillman in the game. Warde knows how Bo would have handled the situation. He needs to communicate the need for stronger team discipline to Sherrone and all the football coaches. Maybe in today’s climate players have to be paid per step for every Michigan Stadium step they have to run at 6:00 AM. But whatever the punishment is, it needs to send a message to the entire team.

Omg you're still whining about this? Move on

Wichita Blue said:

We can agree to disagree. We have had the flag planting bs and the taunting. Team discipline needs to tighten up. Nebraska has a very good QB but weaknesses along its OL and DL. A taunting penalty against a really good team could easily cause a loss.

Trolling again...

Wichita Blue said:

Still can’t believe Biff was so soft as a leader that he left Hillman in the game. Warde knows how Bo would have handled the situation. He needs to communicate the need for stronger team discipline to Sherrone and all the football coaches. Maybe in today’s climate players have to be paid per step for every Michigan Stadium step they have to run at 6:00 AM. But whatever the punishment is, it needs to send a message to the entire team.

While i agree with what should be done there is also a bit of practical reality which may have greatly influenced that decision. Simply they wanted to win the damn game and knew they couldn't afford to have him off the field and that was more important than the immediate lesson to be learned,

Jim_S said:

Dostoevsky’s exploration of criminality, morality and guilt in Crime and Punishment is perhaps a good starting point in assessing the potential consequences of the Michigan staff’s lack of holding Hillman immediately accountable for his taunting of Nebraska. In the novel, Raskolnikov’s murder of a pawnbroker and her sister is not just a plot device, it’s a philosophical experiment. He believes some individuals (like Napoleon) are above moral law. The novel explores whether such a belief can withstand the crushing weight of guilt and conscience. Sort of wonder if our coaching staff is treating certain star players like little Napoleons and, if so, what the impact of that is on team culture.

Or the theory of simplicity called Occams Razor, where the team handled it off camera away from the negative Nancy's that obsesses about eveything.

Jim_S said:

Hillman’s actions were a public embarrassment, not only to him but to the team and the university. Pulling him out of the game asap is not only sending a message to Hillman, but more importantly, to everybody viewing the game. That message being—We are the University of Michigan and that behavior will not be tolerated by any athlete wearing a Michigan uniform. Pray tell how the coaching staff conveys THAT message by handling things internally?

A public embarrassment? Nobody is talking about this except a few Michigan message boards lol. Well I guess you should let the staff know you don't approve of their handling and that the University of Michigan has been harmed by them not pulling a player out of a game. Players celebrate on every play, he went a bit overboard. It's not like he murdered someone here man. Again, I'm sure it will be addressed internally and won't be an issue again.