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pat kraFt gets an F

Anyone who has ever run a business knows that when making major changes, a clear concise plan must be in place that is pre-planned and contains a solution to fix the existing problems. At this point, it is abundantly clear that Kraft has NO plan in place other than that he intends to conduct a national search among candidates who are currently employed and who won't be announced anytime soon. You might argue that CJF was a problem (for his inability to reach long-term goals) but he was not a real time problem nor a liability to Penn State. He had not "lost" the locker room. Read what the current players have said about him. He was an articulate face of the program with a respectable past who despite the losses was not going to embarrass the university. He also had a decent recruiting class and a great recruiting class and was continuing to pound the recruiting trail. Firing him did nothing to solve any existing "problems" but created many new ones. A real leader would have had CJF's replacement in hand so that immediate fires could be put out and immediate improvements be made. This was an ill-timed and frankly stupid decision and I have zero faith that an executive who chose this course, at this time, will right this ship.
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1983PhiSig

Oct 17, 4:58 PM

“Decent recruiting class and great recruiting class”. You’re talking about 2026 & 2027? Please stop this narrative! 2027 fell apart after the 1st 2 losses with decommits— And Spell opening up to trips. Pat LOVES splash recruits (see Gavin McKenna). This is an attempt to save 2027.
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danvillenit

Oct 17, 5:17 PM

1983PhiSig said:
“Decent recruiting class and great recruiting class”. You’re talking about 2026 & 2027? Please stop this narrative! 2027 fell apart after the 1st 2 losses with decommits— And Spell opening up to trips. Pat LOVES splash recruits (see Gavin McKenna). This is an attempt to save 2027.
2027 didn’t fall apart under Franklin. We had one decommit and still the #2 class. Yes Spell was looking but Franklin and Dayton had a decent shot at keeping him
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Countrylion

Oct 17, 5:21 PM

BleedB-W said:
Anyone who has ever run a business knows that when making major changes, a clear concise plan must be in place that is pre-planned and contains a solution to fix the existing problems. At this point, it is abundantly clear that Kraft has NO plan in place other than that he intends to conduct a national search among candidates who are currently employed and who won't be announced anytime soon. You might argue that CJF was a problem (for his inability to reach long-term goals) but he was not a real time problem nor a liability to Penn State. He had not "lost" the locker room. Read what the current players have said about him. He was an articulate face of the program with a respectable past who despite the losses was not going to embarrass the university. He also had a decent recruiting class and a great recruiting class and was continuing to pound the recruiting trail. Firing him did nothing to solve any existing "problems" but created many new ones. A real leader would have had CJF's replacement in hand so that immediate fires could be put out and immediate improvements be made. This was an ill-timed and frankly stupid decision and I have zero faith that an executive who chose this course, at this time, will right this ship.
Why are people so clueless? Kraft has a plan and financial backing. Do you really think he made the move to fire Franklin in a void?
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Rick76

Oct 17, 5:29 PM

It's all about the money. He had to take decisive action to ensure the $700 million stadium expansion didn't fall flat. Club seat sales lagged after the loss to UCLA. And those seats that were selected don't have to be paid for until 2026.
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ELDADDY

Oct 17, 5:31 PM

danvillenit said:
2027 didn’t fall apart under Franklin. We had one decommit and still the #2 class. Yes Spell was looking but Franklin and Dayton had a decent shot at keeping him
Yes it did, Taylor was out and Spell was on the way out. We had 2 guys solidly committed. Recruiting has trended down under Franklin since 2022
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ams533

Oct 17, 5:33 PM

Are we doing the $1 specials again?
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sdale91

Oct 17, 5:33 PM

Its been a week. Relax
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psueagles

Oct 17, 5:36 PM

people are really clueless the 2026 class is meaningless to the on field product in 2026 which will determine the 2027 and beyond results when a new coach is hired, retaining the roster and hitting portal hard will determine 2026 on the field and the future of course a few players in 2026 will be nice to retain but it literally has no bearing on next years on field results which will ultimately determine 2027 and beyond portal portal portal and hitting the right hire
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ThePennsyOracle

Oct 17, 5:39 PM

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PSU7901

Oct 17, 6:27 PM

Countrylion said:
Why are people so clueless? Kraft has a plan and financial backing. Do you really think he made the move to fire Franklin in a void?
Good point. What in your words is the plan ??? A lot of us potential seat buyers would like to know. Please respond .
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baltimorened

Oct 17, 6:34 PM

Rick76 said:
It's all about the money. He had to take decisive action to ensure the $700 million stadium expansion didn't fall flat. Club seat sales lagged after the loss to UCLA. And those seats that were selected don't have to be paid for until 2026.
you have to be a real optimist or died in the wool blue and white fan to shell out for a 10 year contract at$4900/seat in the new premium section
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gigantor

Oct 17, 6:37 PM

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mting68

Oct 17, 6:43 PM

BleedB-W said:
Anyone who has ever run a business knows that when making major changes, a clear concise plan must be in place that is pre-planned and contains a solution to fix the existing problems. At this point, it is abundantly clear that Kraft has NO plan in place other than that he intends to conduct a national search among candidates who are currently employed and who won't be announced anytime soon. You might argue that CJF was a problem (for his inability to reach long-term goals) but he was not a real time problem nor a liability to Penn State. He had not "lost" the locker room. Read what the current players have said about him. He was an articulate face of the program with a respectable past who despite the losses was not going to embarrass the university. He also had a decent recruiting class and a great recruiting class and was continuing to pound the recruiting trail. Firing him did nothing to solve any existing "problems" but created many new ones. A real leader would have had CJF's replacement in hand so that immediate fires could be put out and immediate improvements be made. This was an ill-timed and frankly stupid decision and I have zero faith that an executive who chose this course, at this time, will right this ship.
Not really how sports firing works. Majority of the candidates are currently employed and having successful seasons. Yes, the timing is curious with portal and recruiting. 26 has been a bit of a dud not capitalizing off the deep playoff run. 27 was starting erode after UCLA and only compounding after NW. Now there is time to reel back in 26 guys when the new coach is announced. They would be lost at signing day almost immediately if done at the end of the season. Portal opens after new coach is hired not old one fired so that is not as big of a deal.
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DCPSU

Oct 17, 7:07 PM

Countrylion said:
Why are people so clueless? Kraft has a plan and financial backing. Do you really think he made the move to fire Franklin in a void?
I have no choice but to sit and watch Kraft. He has earned the right to make the calls. But whatever his plan is, the program is now in freefall. This is not the NFL where the roster can stay intact. Our recruiting class is falling apart. The transfers out may be severe. Bold action has been taken but now we are drifting in the void. Whatever happens I will always support PSU football because I am alum and there is no other option. And I signed up for Peacock to watch the Iowa game. But Kraft better deliver the goods, and soon.
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pioneerlion83

Oct 17, 7:08 PM

BleedB-W said:
"... Firing him did nothing to solve any existing "problems" but created many new ones. A real leader would have had CJF's replacement in hand so that immediate fires could be put out and immediate improvements be made. This was an ill-timed and frankly stupid decision and I have zero faith that an executive who chose this course, at this time, will right this ship.
CFB business and calendar are completely unlike a normal business. Any attempt to compare the two and say "you would never do this in a real business..." ignores the things that make CFB a completely artificial market, with different timelines, equities, and constraints from a normal business regarding when coaching and player moves can be made. For example, if the AD believes a change is needed mid-season, then it is completely impossible to have "CJF's replacement in hand", as all viable candidates are still coaching other teams. It can also be said that Terry Smith IS CJF's replacement as an interim HC... and interim CEO's and company presidents, and whoever down the corporate chain, are appointed all the time while a search goes on for a permanent hire for the position.
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Locopsu

Oct 17, 7:14 PM

DCPSU said:
I have no choice but to sit and watch Kraft. He has earned the right to make the calls. But whatever his plan is, the program is now in freefall. This is not the NFL where the roster can stay intact. Our recruiting class is falling apart. The transfers out may be severe. Bold action has been taken but now we are drifting in the void. Whatever happens I will always support PSU football because I am alum and there is no other option. And I signed up for Peacock to watch the Iowa game. But Kraft better deliver the goods, and soon.
I would love to see a new coach hired soon, it’s gunna take time. No one can leave before new coach is hired.
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Sunset 43

Oct 17, 7:19 PM

BleedB-W said:
Anyone who has ever run a business knows that when making major changes, a clear concise plan must be in place that is pre-planned and contains a solution to fix the existing problems. At this point, it is abundantly clear that Kraft has NO plan in place other than that he intends to conduct a national search among candidates who are currently employed and who won't be announced anytime soon. You might argue that CJF was a problem (for his inability to reach long-term goals) but he was not a real time problem nor a liability to Penn State. He had not "lost" the locker room. Read what the current players have said about him. He was an articulate face of the program with a respectable past who despite the losses was not going to embarrass the university. He also had a decent recruiting class and a great recruiting class and was continuing to pound the recruiting trail. Firing him did nothing to solve any existing "problems" but created many new ones. A real leader would have had CJF's replacement in hand so that immediate fires could be put out and immediate improvements be made. This was an ill-timed and frankly stupid decision and I have zero faith that an executive who chose this course, at this time, will right this ship.
Could not disagree more. He lost the locker room. Discipline on the field had vanished. Personal foul injuries that should never have occurred were abundant. It’s like they forgot how to tackle. Kraft did the hard thing but the right thing. And I gave them all the credit in the world for that. This year was gone. Franklin‘s arrogance had gotten intolerable
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PSUJD

Oct 17, 7:20 PM

danvillenit said:
2027 didn’t fall apart under Franklin. We had one decommit and still the #2 class. Yes Spell was looking but Franklin and Dayton had a decent shot at keeping him
“Decent shot at keeping him” but in reality would have lost him at the last second because of the policy to not spend big on HS recruits. That’s why we lost out on basically every top prospect in the last two cycles
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danvillenit

Oct 17, 7:29 PM

PSUJD said:
“Decent shot at keeping him” but in reality would have lost him at the last second because of the policy to not spend big on HS recruits. That’s why we lost out on basically every top prospect in the last two cycles
My understanding is Kraft met with him and is willing to make an aggressive comp package.
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NLE24

Oct 17, 7:40 PM

Agree. As i said in the thread about Franklin being fired. Kotelnicki should have been fired and possibly OL coach and that would have sent a message. A message of step it up coaches, players would have seen it as a message also. Franklin would be let go would come at end of the season if his team and coaches continued to under perform. Also allow more time to suss-out the field of replacements. IMO Kraft made an emotional decision.
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djnitt

Oct 17, 7:44 PM

BleedB-W said:
Anyone who has ever run a business knows that when making major changes, a clear concise plan must be in place that is pre-planned and contains a solution to fix the existing problems. At this point, it is abundantly clear that Kraft has NO plan in place other than that he intends to conduct a national search among candidates who are currently employed and who won't be announced anytime soon. You might argue that CJF was a problem (for his inability to reach long-term goals) but he was not a real time problem nor a liability to Penn State. He had not "lost" the locker room. Read what the current players have said about him. He was an articulate face of the program with a respectable past who despite the losses was not going to embarrass the university. He also had a decent recruiting class and a great recruiting class and was continuing to pound the recruiting trail. Firing him did nothing to solve any existing "problems" but created many new ones. A real leader would have had CJF's replacement in hand so that immediate fires could be put out and immediate improvements be made. This was an ill-timed and frankly stupid decision and I have zero faith that an executive who chose this course, at this time, will right this ship.
WRONG!
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NLE24

Oct 17, 7:44 PM

Rick76 said:
It's all about the money. He had to take decisive action to ensure the $700 million stadium expansion didn't fall flat. Club seat sales lagged after the loss to UCLA. And those seats that were selected don't have to be paid for until 2026.
IDK Don’t you think Kraft could have held onto money donors et al until the end of the season? Be a negotiator
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PineIslandLion

Oct 17, 7:49 PM

Sunset 43 said:
Could not disagree more. He lost the locker room. Discipline on the field had vanished. Personal foul injuries that should never have occurred were abundant. It’s like they forgot how to tackle. Kraft did the hard thing but the right thing. And I gave them all the credit in the world for that. This year was gone. Franklin‘s arrogance had gotten intolerable
I don’t question the firing, but before I’d call it the “right move”, let’s see who Kraft hires. Unfortunately, several of the candidates on the list are under inspiring, to say the least. And if he ends up hiring his buddy Matt Rhule, the right move is very much in question.
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arh5141

Oct 17, 7:59 PM

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