So with rev sharing law coming out this past July (~$22 million shared amongst NCAA athletes) and the new NIL enforcement body (NIL Clearing House run by Deloitte) that’s supposed to monitor NIL deals over $600K to ensure they’re fair market value and to subdue “pay for play” making sure bidding wars don’t get out of hand……..essentially working like a salary cap on NIL….
Do you think the bidding wars on paying for top players via NIL will ever end? B/c it’s supposed to stop a school from offering above market just for a player to sign. Or is it just working through the kinks and will eventually get there? Or will this just be another lame duck entity that does no good for “pay for play”? Or does the best NIL program win with connections to “fair market” endorsements?
Serious question b/c this whole rev share thing is supposed to subdue “pay for play” and here we are talking about the Dallas Wilson’s, Jaden Baugh bidding wars to the highest bidder. And it seems like it has done nothing to stop the bidding madness and a team can just say “hey we’ll give you a $1 million more to sign”. Clearly tapping loopholes w/in the NIL clearing house monitoring.
(sorry for the novel to the ADD scroller types but a serious question and concern 😅)
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circularity
Dec 24, 2:39 PM
Do you think restricting a kids income will ever be legal? My take is the cap is a charade. Kids and their agents will challenge the legality of the clearing house and poof it will disappear.
bottom line is that big time programs will spend what it takes to secure the most talented teams and will dare others to stop them.
rmoreiro
Dec 24, 2:44 PM
circularity said:The rev share was a settlement which can’t be challenged. Moreover, the clearing house is to ensure that the NIL deals are valid which also would be hard to challenge in court.Do you think restricting a kids income will ever be legal? My take is the cap is a charade. Kids and their agents will challenge the legality of the clearing house and poof it will disappear. bottom line is that big time programs will spend what it takes to secure the most talented teams and will dare others to stop them.
Workemsilly
Dec 24, 2:53 PM
The NCAA can implement anything they want but if they do not enforce it nothing will change. There are obviously going to be loopholes that will be exploited because the whole roll out of NIL in conjunction with the transfer portal has been a complete junk show. Hopefully we get good at the loopholes.
Alex Hayes
Dec 24, 2:54 PM
Swamp30 said:It’s deals over $600 not $600k i think.So with rev sharing law coming out this past July (~$22 million shared amongst NCAA athletes) and the new NIL enforcement body (NIL Clearing House run by Deloitte) that’s supposed to monitor NIL deals over $600K to ensure they’re fair market value and to subdue “pay for play” making sure bidding wars don’t get out of hand……..essentially working like a salary cap on NIL…. Do you think the bidding wars on paying for top players via NIL will ever end? B/c it’s supposed to stop a school from offering above market just for a player to sign. Or is it just working through the kinks and will eventually get there? Or will this just be another lame duck entity that does no good for “pay for play”? Or does the best NIL program win with connections to “fair market” endorsements? Serious question b/c this whole rev share thing is supposed to subdue “pay for play” and here we are talking about the Dallas Wilson’s, Jaden Baugh bidding wars to the highest bidder. And it seems like it has done nothing to stop the bidding madness and a team can just say “hey we’ll give you a $1 million more to sign”. Clearly tapping loopholes w/in the NIL clearing house monitoring. (sorry for the novel to the ADD scroller types but a serious question and concern 😅)
ncargat1
Dec 24, 2:58 PM
Swamp30 said:No. If there is ever truly enforcement deemed legal, schools like UGA, LSU, Texas, Ohio St will just go back to paying under the table.So with rev sharing law coming out this past July (~$22 million shared amongst NCAA athletes) and the new NIL enforcement body (NIL Clearing House run by Deloitte) that’s supposed to monitor NIL deals over $600K to ensure they’re fair market value and to subdue “pay for play” making sure bidding wars don’t get out of hand……..essentially working like a salary cap on NIL…. Do you think the bidding wars on paying for top players via NIL will ever end? B/c it’s supposed to stop a school from offering above market just for a player to sign. Or is it just working through the kinks and will eventually get there? Or will this just be another lame duck entity that does no good for “pay for play”? Or does the best NIL program win with connections to “fair market” endorsements? Serious question b/c this whole rev share thing is supposed to subdue “pay for play” and here we are talking about the Dallas Wilson’s, Jaden Baugh bidding wars to the highest bidder. And it seems like it has done nothing to stop the bidding madness and a team can just say “hey we’ll give you a $1 million more to sign”. Clearly tapping loopholes w/in the NIL clearing house monitoring. (sorry for the novel to the ADD scroller types but a serious question and concern 😅)
Alex Hayes
Dec 24, 2:59 PM
circularity said:There’s a cap in salary in the NFL that limits income simply because a team can’t pay every player. Wont be much different than other than the fact that many teams wont be able to fund enough to reach that capDo you think restricting a kids income will ever be legal? My take is the cap is a charade. Kids and their agents will challenge the legality of the clearing house and poof it will disappear. bottom line is that big time programs will spend what it takes to secure the most talented teams and will dare others to stop them.
Jjtgator
Dec 24, 3:02 PM
circularity said:The players must sign a contract agreeing to these rules before they get their portion of revenue sharing. In the contract is a clause which states they have to submit any NIL deals over $600. For this reason from what I understand they cannot sue.Do you think restricting a kids income will ever be legal? My take is the cap is a charade. Kids and their agents will challenge the legality of the clearing house and poof it will disappear. bottom line is that big time programs will spend what it takes to secure the most talented teams and will dare others to stop them.
Swamp30
Dec 24, 3:12 PM
Alex Hayes said:You’re right my b, it is $600. Which clearly will overload the system in monitoringIt’s deals over $600 not $600k i think.
Swamp30
Dec 24, 3:18 PM
circularity said:Definitely will never be legal. That’s why I’m thinking things will eventually move to NIL salary cap like the NFL. Yeah you can pay superstar player A and B this much, but it’ll leave little to the rest and will be capped for fair competition purposes. Otherwise, CFB is so passionately competitive it will bankrupt athletic programs and eliminate a number of other program sportsDo you think restricting a kids income will ever be legal? My take is the cap is a charade. Kids and their agents will challenge the legality of the clearing house and poof it will disappear. bottom line is that big time programs will spend what it takes to secure the most talented teams and will dare others to stop them.
E3PO
Dec 24, 3:21 PM
Swamp30 said:The NFL doesn’t have an NIL salary cap.Definitely will never be legal. That’s why I’m thinking things will eventually move to NIL salary cap like the NFL. Yeah you can pay superstar player A and B this much, but it’ll leave little to the rest and will be capped for fair competition purposes. Otherwise, CFB is so passionately competitive it will bankrupt athletic programs and eliminate a number of other program sports
Swamp30
Dec 24, 3:21 PM
Workemsilly said:Yeah and the driver is the loopholes will be influential sports agencies and sports agents and their army of lawyers b/c they’re getting an insane like 30% to 40% cut of the deal which is way above market value for other agents in other sports. Clearly CFB is going to separate into a stand alone entity vs other sports in a semi-pro set upThe NCAA can implement anything they want but if they do not enforce it nothing will change. There are obviously going to be loopholes that will be exploited because the whole roll out of NIL in conjunction with the transfer portal has been a complete junk show. Hopefully we get good at the loopholes.
Swamp30
Dec 24, 3:24 PM
ncargat1 said:And I agree they will, but I don’t think it’ll be as easy to get away with it like it used to be. I’m sure that’s just wishful thinking though. Other schools will be more apt to rat them out of frustration once that starts getting even more out of hand maybeNo. If there is ever truly enforcement deemed legal, schools like UGA, LSU, Texas, Ohio St will just go back to paying under the table.
Gater4Life
Dec 24, 3:29 PM
Owners can’t pay players out of pocket in the NFL or NBA. College football needs to operate the same way.
ShawnKemp
Dec 24, 3:39 PM
Alex Hayes said:That salary cap is collectively bargained with the players. Until college players are considered employees and they are able to collectively bargain this is going to remain a mess. (Unless legislators step in and give the schools an anti trust exemption which isnt happening)There’s a cap in salary in the NFL that limits income simply because a team can’t pay every player. Wont be much different than other than the fact that many teams wont be able to fund enough to reach that cap
GatorBoys404
Dec 24, 4:35 PM
circularity said:This is why a CBA is the only way to fix the issuesDo you think restricting a kids income will ever be legal? My take is the cap is a charade. Kids and their agents will challenge the legality of the clearing house and poof it will disappear. bottom line is that big time programs will spend what it takes to secure the most talented teams and will dare others to stop them.
GatorBoys404
Dec 24, 4:36 PM
Gater4Life said:Balmer did this with Kawhi LeonardOwners can’t pay players out of pocket in the NFL or NBA. College football needs to operate the same way.
circularity
Dec 24, 4:39 PM
Alex Hayes said:Players have unions and collectively bargain Colleges are fighting players from unionizing a junior in high school was not party to settlement and has every right to challengeThere’s a cap in salary in the NFL that limits income simply because a team can’t pay every player. Wont be much different than other than the fact that many teams wont be able to fund enough to reach that cap
DTGator
Dec 24, 5:37 PM
The “NIL” they are now proposing with the clearinghouse is still pay to play. Come to school “X” and we will give you $1M in “NIL” to sign autographs, make an appearance at the local car dealership, blah, blah, blah. Very few of the these deals are fair market Name Image and Likeness deals. It’s all pretend. If it was real the “Tuscaloosa Dodge” dealership would still want Jadan Baugh to rep them even though he played for the Gators.
Swamp30
Dec 24, 6:45 PM
Jjtgator said:Hopefully. Lawyers gonna lawyer no doubt so hopefully whichever lawyers architected the legal framework of the rev share contract prepared for that counterThe players must sign a contract agreeing to these rules before they get their portion of revenue sharing. In the contract is a clause which states they have to submit any NIL deals over $600. For this reason from what I understand they cannot sue.
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