SIAP... Great theory on Bama over Notre Dame ranking

And that tweet was from this morning

Yup

How sad that college football has come to this.

Juicy J said:

Yup

Full text if you don’t have X Switching ND and Bama was the right thing to do. - Bama at 10 exposes them to the risk of being left out if BYU wins and they lose. Losing the SEC championship shouldn’t result in being left out. They’re not being rewarded for beating Auburn as much as they are for earning a spot in the SECCG. - ND at 10 shields Bama from that outcome. If Bama loses and BYU wins then Bama and BYU are 9/10 and ND is out. - They may be setting up for a scenario if Bama and BYU both lose, then ND and Bama switch back and are both in. - How they lose might matter. If Bama gets blown out…they probably switch ND and Bama. If Bama loses close, they might stay put. - If BYU loses and drops because of it that would be insane. Getting beat by the same team that already beat them would result in them being…exactly who they already were? - If BYU does lose and Miami does get moved up….do they have a Notre Dame and Miami debate? It would be hard to imagine Miami would have suddenly gotten better than ND while neither team played…but that would be me expecting logic and consistency out of the committee and …that’s hard to count on.

This is all about protecting conference champion participants. Especially for the sec

Agreed. Just to protect Bama. If they lose, and BYU wins, they drop to 10. If they lose and BYU loses, they still go to 10 and stay in, but flip flop again with us. With a BYU loss, we should still be 9/10, and get in. Unless they suddenly, after this many weeks, would have Miami jump us. Which wouldn’t make any sense at this point. *Just posted this in another thread, but seemed an appropriate add here.

SDS123 said:

How sad that college football has come to this.

I mean yes but….for most of college football history we awarded the championship based on the final polling….that seems way worse tbh.

Juicy J said:

Yup

The right thing to do? For whom?

I posted this in another thread but it seems relevant to this conversation so I’ll post it here as well. Tech beats BYU badly Bama loses close to Georgia Virginia beats Duke Ohio St beats Indiana Final rankings: #1 Ohio St #2 Texas Tech #3 Georgia #4 Indiana #5 Oregon #6 Ole Miss #7 A&M #8 Oklahoma #9 ND #10 Bama #11 Virginia #12 Tulane or James Madison #13 Miami #14 BYU This will also avoid having regular season rematches in the 1st round.

That committee chair obviously lied to everyone's face in response to the explanation of why Bama jumped ND. It's clear to anyone with a brain that games are being played.

Juicy J said:

I mean yes but….for most of college football history we awarded the championship based on the final polling….that seems way worse tbh.

That doesn’t make me feel any better. Trading one bad thing for a worse bad thing.

Juicy J said:

Full text if you don’t have X Switching ND and Bama was the right thing to do. - Bama at 10 exposes them to the risk of being left out if BYU wins and they lose. Losing the SEC championship shouldn’t result in being left out. They’re not being rewarded for beating Auburn as much as they are for earning a spot in the SECCG. - ND at 10 shields Bama from that outcome. If Bama loses and BYU wins then Bama and BYU are 9/10 and ND is out. - They may be setting up for a scenario if Bama and BYU both lose, then ND and Bama switch back and are both in. - How they lose might matter. If Bama gets blown out…they probably switch ND and Bama. If Bama loses close, they might stay put. - If BYU loses and drops because of it that would be insane. Getting beat by the same team that already beat them would result in them being…exactly who they already were? - If BYU does lose and Miami does get moved up….do they have a Notre Dame and Miami debate? It would be hard to imagine Miami would have suddenly gotten better than ND while neither team played…but that would be me expecting logic and consistency out of the committee and …that’s hard to count on.

Exactly. Forget all nuances they exposed themselves tonight for not having a framework. Teams can move when idle. Teams can move other teams after poor performances. They were pretty consistent until these rankings. Which means next weeks rankings…they can do whatever they want - including deciding head to head trumps all.

Bracket engineering fo sho.

So, all he's saying is they'd rather put ND at risk instead of Alabama. Losing the championship game wouldn't have knocked them out...BYU claiming a spot would, just as ND's position dictates. Except Bama actually can claim one themselves. ...it's either cowardice over the fallout or a bias towards Alabama* just because. And to Mandel's tweet, it should be the end of title games, if ND has any say in the matter. What we're being told is you can only be rewarded from a championship game, but if you're ND, you can spend the entire year getting chastised about not being able to benefit from one, when there's no apparent downside, other than the usual risk of injury. *Had they ranked Alabama ahead of ND previously, I wouldn't gripe about it. The rerank this week had no real basis.

This, especially given the timing, plus the oddsmakers in Vegas being bullish on ND gives me a lot of encouragement.

A couple scenarios that can help ND this weekend. Boise State winning the MWC Championship over UNLV makes them 9-4 helping the strength of record. North Texas is at #24, if they lose to Tulane do they drop out and Navy possibly move in giving us another data point? For the gamblers on here, IF we get left out of the playoffs mortgage your house on the beat down that ND will put on BYU in the Pop Tarts Bowl. It will be of epic proportions.

I think it's also justified by the impact of A&M. Bama has:

• Much better wins
• 1x bad loss, 1x good loss (to the #8 team)

Our two main arguments were a really high ranking by the computer (and eyeball test) and a 1 pt loss to the now #7 team. A&M moving down 4 spots with a loss hurt us and moved Alabama ahead. Excited for tomorrow!

You're all overthinking. You're trying to use logic and look for a football reason where it doesn't apply. The games DON'T MATTER. Our metrics DON'T MATTER. The committee is setting us up to kick us OUT. We've been OUT-LOBBIED by raw political power and an organized, well funded campaign on social media and behind closed doors.

aNDyIrish said:

You're all overthinking. You're trying to use logic and look for a football reason where it doesn't apply. The games DON'T MATTER. Our metrics DON'T MATTER. The committee is setting us up to kick us OUT. We've been OUT-LOBBIED by raw political power and an organized, well funded campaign on social media and behind closed doors.

SDS123 said:

The right thing to do? For whom?

For the final rankings

Bama should have been ranked in front of ND from the very beginning which I’ve said all along. Bama has 4 top 25 wins and THE best win of any 2 loss teams. Heck they have better wins than ND! However ND fans would just point to the metrics and how Bama can’t run the ball. Bama resume when it comes to actual wins is better than ND. Thats why I was shocked they dropped below ND when they lost to an Oklahoma team that is in the playoffs.

But...but....but.... "Notre Dame is a LOCK at 10-2!!!"

Grizz33 said:

Bama should have been ranked in front of ND from the very beginning which I’ve said all along. Bama has 4 top 25 wins and THE best win of any 2 loss teams. Heck they have better wins than ND! However ND fans would just point to the metrics and how Bama can’t run the ball. Bama resume when it comes to actual wins is better than ND. Thats why I was shocked they dropped below ND when they lost to an Oklahoma team that is in the playoffs.

I see 2 top 25 wins, not 4. One win shouldn’t count against Eastern Illinois.

Grizz33 said:

Bama should have been ranked in front of ND from the very beginning which I’ve said all along. Bama has 4 top 25 wins and THE best win of any 2 loss teams. Heck they have better wins than ND! However ND fans would just point to the metrics and how Bama can’t run the ball. Bama resume when it comes to actual wins is better than ND. Thats why I was shocked they dropped below ND when they lost to an Oklahoma team that is in the playoffs.

And that is all fine. I would have had no problem with them being ahead before. But the reversal NOW makes no sense. They were arguably outplayed 3 whole days ago by a 1-7 conference team. Also, ND's loss to NIU was treated as an albatross that they could only get rid of by being otherwise perfect. Bama's similarly awful loss this year was not treated the same, to the point of nearly guaranteeing a bid even with 3 losses.