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Thoughts on Stoops' situation at Kentucky

I want to start by saying that for a long time I have avoided speculating or writing about Mark Stoops' future at Kentucky. I've tried to make clear this is not any kind of "defense" but simply the reality that Kentucky has been in with Stoops having so much leverage with the contract. But since Kentucky is coming off a 4-8 season and given the lopsided loss at South Carolina with the way the rest of the schedule sets up, it's probably time for another post. It's totally conceivable that Kentucky doesn't win an SEC game this year. At this point you would probably predict that. I want to be careful to say that none of this stuff is coming from Mark Stoops. Some of it is what people know, some is what people have speculated. But I'm just trying to fill in some gaps and piece some thoughts together that might add something to the discourse. Nobody I speak to believes that Stoops is likely to walk away from $30 million or more of guaranteed money. I know in recent days there has been chatter about boosters having conversations but their hands are tied in a lot of ways. Theoretically UK could try to offer Stoops an ambassadorship that would change his role into something else for the athletics department but one person told me he would probably be inclined to coach somewhere else rather than do that. Any attempt to negotiate down would probably have to be similar to what Sam Pitman did at Arkansas, negotiating down to 62% of remaining money because of when the payouts are going to occur. But for Kentucky the unique thing is the size of the contract. If you take out the Jimbo Fisher precedent I think going into this year the biggest buyout a school had taken on was about $20 million with Auburn and Malzahn. That's Auburn, this is Kentucky, this is also Kentucky's athletics department under Mitch Barnhart. With the conversion of the UK athletics department into an LLC, my understanding is that Eric Monday has a huge role in the athletics department. Someone told me that he uprooted and made a lot of changes with the hospital when he was put in charge of that, and that is an unpredictable X Factor that some people have in their heads, the possibility of a very different approach or making changes. Of course there's also bringing all the NIL in house under JMI. Capilouto is only on campus a few days a month and so there have been big changes in the way UK athletics is being organized and run. It's hard to say what "has" to happen for Stoops to come back next year but one person told me he would have to make substantial staff changes, almost a total rebuild project starting new given the leverage with the contract. This person expressed that they were unsure if Stoops would have the patience or interest in doing something like that. As of right now, if Stoops is intent on collecting his money (as most people would be) then I don't see an obvious path towards him moving on. I know people look at the situation and think, man, if he runs it back in 2026 the tone is going to be really ugly. And frankly, unless they turn it around unexpectedly this year, it will be. Liam Coen leaving really crushed them. He's an incredible football mind. My understanding is Stoops probably didn't know he was going to be the quarterback whisperer that he is now regarded as but they knew he was a special mind. His ability to connect with guys along with that mind make him special. Hamdan has obviously not worked out on nearly the same level. Big question is if Kentucky goes 4-8 and follows it up with 3-9 or 4-8 again, how are you going to be able to attract good enough players from the portal next year? You saw they had a couple of legitimate big buys in Humphrey-Grace and Gusta on the defensive line, Josh Braun, etc., with the spending you can easily see what the staff was prioritizing and thinking in the offseason. But what you are doing in a lot of those cases is having to overspend for players that probably don't deserve the kind of money they are getting. Everyone I speak to believes college football is moving towards the NFL where there are about 40 teams, there's tons of parity, plenty of upwards and downwards movement. You see the sport moving to this because you often see the Nos. 1, 2, or 3 ranked teams going on the road as 7-point favorites when they used to be 20-point favorites more often than not. Kentucky is in the SEC so regardless of how bad it looks right now in the big picture the Wildcats will have one of those spots in the "professional" college football we will eventually settle on. However, I have heard a lot more people start to express that they don't believe Jon Sumrall would take the job if some others are available to him. I haven't heard him say that so let's be clear about that. I have been in the camp that says he would probably take the job but when you are looking at the landscape and thinking about your whole career is a stop at Kentucky the best way to maximize your upside in the profession? One person pointed out to me that Arkansas' AD saying they don't have enough money for football after saying they did is the kind of thing that will make it harder to attract HCs at Kentucky in the future because the purse strings are still a reality. On Cutter Boley what is hurting him is he's really big and moving around the pocket takes longer, they need to put him in a situation where he is less of a sitting duck back there. What you don't want is for Stoops to leave the program in the kind of situation Joker left the program in if he can't turn it around but the longer it goes on with things not getting better that will increasingly be the concern. I do think NIL and the portal make the fear of digging a deep hole not quite as ominous, easier to pull yourself out, just some big picture thoughts.
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JRowland

Oct 01, 1:45 PM

Notably, one person suggested that Stoops might have to go to someone like Jimbo Fisher (not him specifically, but a proven offensive coach) and ask him to totally rebuild the offense for $3 million next year. That's the kind of scale of change that has been speculated if he were to return.
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KapitalCat

Oct 01, 1:47 PM

What a mess all because of the contract. I'm a never say never type of person but man I don't see any way this ends well if Stoops is hell bent on returning and I'm afraid the damage that could be done by (1) an ugly departure or (2) two more years of Stoops will last for a quite a while and could hinder hiring a dynamic coach who has the communication skills, positivity and creativity to navigate the complexities of today's college athletics (see Mark Pope) and gets people excited again about UK football. Stoops just drones on. It's time and I hope it happens in a few months. My $.02.
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PackJilgrim

Oct 01, 1:47 PM

Stoops can't coach an offense and any coordinator worth a damn won't stay longer than a year. Meanwhile, the fanbase will continue to eat shit and be told to enjoy it.
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Ctroberts1024

Oct 01, 1:47 PM

"What you don't want is for Stoops to leave the program in the kind of situation Joker left the program in if he can't turn it around but the longer it goes on with things not getting better that will increasingly be the concern. I do think NIL and the portal make the fear of digging a deep hole not quite as ominous, easier to pull yourself out, just some big picture thoughts." I don't think this will be an issue at all. The new coach will be able to bring in as many guys as he wants from his current team and attract talent (especially if he is an offensive minded HC that will put up numbers). I just see no way we bring Stoops back after we go 3-9 this year. They will find money somewhere. Hell, you could even start a dang Go Fund Me and I guarantee you that people would donate to it.
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Calicats

Oct 01, 1:48 PM

JRowland said:
Notably, one person suggested that Stoops might have to go to someone like Jimbo Fisher (not him specifically, but a proven offensive coach) and ask him to totally rebuild the offense for $3 million next year. That's the kind of scale of change that has been speculated if he were to return.
We are seriously considering burning $3 million on a coordinator who Stoops is inevitably going to railroad into doing whatever he wants? This program might really be truly hopeless. JRow - I'm curious to know if the folks you're hearing the stuff about Sumrall potentially not taking the job are from the UK side or third party college football folks. If it's coming from UK, I as a PR person myself smell a narrative trying to be set.
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JRowland

Oct 01, 1:49 PM

$30 million is a lot of money to absorb for an athletics director who is concerned about stability and long term solvency.
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JRowland

Oct 01, 1:50 PM

Calicats said:
We are seriously considering burning $3 million on a coordinator who Stoops is inevitably going to railroad into doing whatever he wants? This program might really be truly hopeless. JRow - I'm curious to know if the folks you're hearing the stuff about Sumrall potentially not taking the job are from the UK side or third party college football folks. If it's coming from UK, I as a PR person myself smell a narrative trying to be set.
Nobody who would make that decision said they would be doing that, but someone worth listening to suggested "that's the kind of thing" Stoops might have to do if he returns. Major staff turnover and giving the offense entirely to a proven name.
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1_COOL_CAT

Oct 01, 1:50 PM

Kentucky football is a mess right now…..
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KapitalCat

Oct 01, 1:51 PM

JRowland said:
$30 million is a lot of money to absorb for an athletics director who is concerned about stability and long term solvency.
It's why they are in such a pickle, especially if the season ends 3-9 with Stoops returning with the same old tired cliches that are not working. The revenue loss in 2026 will be significant.
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Ill Graduate Eventually

Oct 01, 1:53 PM

Well this was the pick me up I needed this morning.
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Kennedy_UK

Oct 01, 1:53 PM

JRowland said:
$30 million is a lot of money to absorb for an athletics director who is concerned about stability and long term solvency.
But of course, Mitch has to look at it from the other angle. How costly is it to UKAA if he doesn't act?
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Wildcatfan66

Oct 01, 1:55 PM

JRowland said:
I want to start by saying that for a long time I have avoided speculating or writing about Mark Stoops' future at Kentucky. I've tried to make clear this is not any kind of "defense" but simply the reality that Kentucky has been in with Stoops having so much leverage with the contract. But since Kentucky is coming off a 4-8 season and given the lopsided loss at South Carolina with the way the rest of the schedule sets up, it's probably time for another post. It's totally conceivable that Kentucky doesn't win an SEC game this year. At this point you would probably predict that. I want to be careful to say that none of this stuff is coming from Mark Stoops. Some of it is what people know, some is what people have speculated. But I'm just trying to fill in some gaps and piece some thoughts together that might add something to the discourse. Nobody I speak to believes that Stoops is likely to walk away from $30 million or more of guaranteed money. I know in recent days there has been chatter about boosters having conversations but their hands are tied in a lot of ways. Theoretically UK could try to offer Stoops an ambassadorship that would change his role into something else for the athletics department but one person told me he would probably be inclined to coach somewhere else rather than do that. Any attempt to negotiate down would probably have to be similar to what Sam Pitman did at Arkansas, negotiating down to 62% of remaining money because of when the payouts are going to occur. But for Kentucky the unique thing is the size of the contract. If you take out the Jimbo Fisher precedent I think going into this year the biggest buyout a school had taken on was about $20 million with Auburn and Malzahn. That's Auburn, this is Kentucky, this is also Kentucky's athletics department under Mitch Barnhart. With the conversion of the UK athletics department into an LLC, my understanding is that Eric Monday has a huge role in the athletics department. Someone told me that he uprooted and made a lot of changes with the hospital when he was put in charge of that, and that is an unpredictable X Factor that some people have in their heads, the possibility of a very different approach or making changes. Of course there's also bringing all the NIL in house under JMI. Capilouto is only on campus a few days a month and so there have been big changes in the way UK athletics is being organized and run. It's hard to say what "has" to happen for Stoops to come back next year but one person told me he would have to make substantial staff changes, almost a total rebuild project starting new given the leverage with the contract. This person expressed that they were unsure if Stoops would have the patience or interest in doing something like that. As of right now, if Stoops is intent on collecting his money (as most people would be) then I don't see an obvious path towards him moving on. I know people look at the situation and think, man, if he runs it back in 2026 the tone is going to be really ugly. And frankly, unless they turn it around unexpectedly this year, it will be. Liam Coen leaving really crushed them. He's an incredible football mind. My understanding is Stoops probably didn't know he was going to be the quarterback whisperer that he is now regarded as but they knew he was a special mind. His ability to connect with guys along with that mind make him special. Hamdan has obviously not worked out on nearly the same level. Big question is if Kentucky goes 4-8 and follows it up with 3-9 or 4-8 again, how are you going to be able to attract good enough players from the portal next year? You saw they had a couple of legitimate big buys in Humphrey-Grace and Gusta on the defensive line, Josh Braun, etc., with the spending you can easily see what the staff was prioritizing and thinking in the offseason. But what you are doing in a lot of those cases is having to overspend for players that probably don't deserve the kind of money they are getting. Everyone I speak to believes college football is moving towards the NFL where there are about 40 teams, there's tons of parity, plenty of upwards and downwards movement. You see the sport moving to this because you often see the Nos. 1, 2, or 3 ranked teams going on the road as 7-point favorites when they used to be 20-point favorites more often than not. Kentucky is in the SEC so regardless of how bad it looks right now in the big picture the Wildcats will have one of those spots in the "professional" college football we will eventually settle on. However, I have heard a lot more people start to express that they don't believe Jon Sumrall would take the job if some others are available to him. I haven't heard him say that so let's be clear about that. I have been in the camp that says he would probably take the job but when you are looking at the landscape and thinking about your whole career is a stop at Kentucky the best way to maximize your upside in the profession? One person pointed out to me that Arkansas' AD saying they don't have enough money for football after saying they did is the kind of thing that will make it harder to attract HCs at Kentucky in the future because the purse strings are still a reality. On Cutter Boley what is hurting him is he's really big and moving around the pocket takes longer, they need to put him in a situation where he is less of a sitting duck back there. What you don't want is for Stoops to leave the program in the kind of situation Joker left the program in if he can't turn it around but the longer it goes on with things not getting better that will increasingly be the concern. I do think NIL and the portal make the fear of digging a deep hole not quite as ominous, easier to pull yourself out, just some big picture thoughts.
Thanks for the great update. @JRowland ... to me, UK is going to spending $30m for a football coach the next 3 years or so. We can ride Stoops for 3 more years, and win 3-4 games a year. Or hire a new coach, and start building the next 3 years. So we pay $10m a year for a coach who doesn't have it. Or we can pay $20m a year, and have a coach that can hopefully build a national program here, like UL is doing. Maybe UK could at least get Stoops to spread out his $30m over a period of years?
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SEC First

Oct 01, 1:58 PM

So UK fans are left with no choice but to sit back and watch Mitch/Stoops burn the entire program to the ground. Nice!
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Ctroberts1024

Oct 01, 1:59 PM

JRowland said:
Notably, one person suggested that Stoops might have to go to someone like Jimbo Fisher (not him specifically, but a proven offensive coach) and ask him to totally rebuild the offense for $3 million next year. That's the kind of scale of change that has been speculated if he were to return.
Oh my god that would be a disaster. Without an elite college QB in Jameis, he was actually a pretty terrible offensive play caller. He had that really really good stretch of like 3 years due to Jameis. Outside of that, his offenses have been awful
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kelrhon

Oct 01, 2:00 PM

Man doesn't look the least bit healthy at all. He should negotiate out of this debacle and go be a DC somewhere....or just retire.
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Jdhays21

Oct 01, 2:03 PM

I was told yesterday that there is going to be a significant increase in season ticket prices. This did not come from a reliable source, but makes since with needing to come up with more money. Has anyone else heard this? I bring it up in this thread because if Stoops goes 3-9 and they bring him back, and then you raise ticket prices it will be an absolute disaster for our program.
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Fresh Fish

Oct 01, 2:08 PM

As for Stoops preferring to coach somewhere else to a reassignment, what school would hire him that he would consider??? I'm sure Akron or another lower-tier MAC school would be interested, but is he going to work for $500k? As Jimbo is finding out, once you're tarnished, it's nearly impossible to get a good job. Stoops isn't going to get a job that he wants. He'd have to step WAY down and I just don't seeing him do it. He's damaged goods to any school that has a job that he wants. And LOL at hitting the reset with Stoops still in place. That's a laughable thought, but with Barnhart (and his decision making ability) this is hardly surprising. I don't buy the Sumrall stuff if UK moves fast enough. But if they wait to fire Stoops until after the UL game, it'll likely be too late due to Sumrall's agent negotiating with schools with open jobs for weeks at that point. What a fine mess the administration has put the fans in.
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harperlashbrook

Oct 01, 2:09 PM

Same thing I said with Calipari after Oakland, Can you picture Stoops returning next year and what it will look like? I cant so I will assume this is his last year. Jon Summral is a once in 100 years opportunity for UK football; a top coaching propsect with ties to the University. Get together, figure out a way to make it happen, because I promise the alternative is going to be ALOT more costly in the long run.
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DhuffUK

Oct 01, 2:14 PM

Allowing stoops to stay for another year after this will do more damage to the program than the $30 million buyout. There will be massive losses with tickets, like at most 50% attendance at any given game.
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VaHi_Cat

Oct 01, 2:14 PM

What a conundrum. We have to find a way out of this. Have to. The writing is on the wall. I do not want to hear about running it back one last time with Stoops. It’s just not feasible in the least. Either help him get a new job or negotiate that buyout and deal with the consequences.
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Farrr Mawk Stoopids

Oct 01, 2:17 PM

Thank you Mitch.
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yldkat

Oct 01, 2:18 PM

JRowland said:
$30 million is a lot of money to absorb for an athletics director who is concerned about stability and long term solvency.
This is precisely why many of us cannot tolerate Barnhart. His amateur hour negotiations and contract development have seriously injured UK athletics and reduced the degrees of freedom for handling meltdowns like we are seeing unfolding before our very eyes. As bad as Stoops has become over the last few years, Barnhart is infinitely worse.
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Deeeefense

Oct 01, 2:23 PM

It's hard to say what "has" to happen for Stoops to come back next year but one person told me he would have to make substantial staff changes, almost a total rebuild project starting new given the leverage with the contract That would be well beyond putting lipstick on the pig, it would be giving the pig an entire face lift. :ROFLMAO:
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bpfree

Oct 01, 2:23 PM

JRowland said:
$30 million is a lot of money to absorb for an athletics director who is concerned about stability and long term solvency.
They’re already technically losing money though. Maybe not a million per game, but the amount being lost will continue to grow the longer he stays in charge. If he’s still in control next year, the decline in season ticket sales could be enough to start hurting other sports as well. If I was an AD I would have one person’s job be to report how much money is technically being lost because fans aren’t selling out the stadium and aren’t staying the full game. That Tennessee Tech game may be an all time bad attendance record since Stoops showed up. The AD should be fundraising for the buyout as well so that the department doesn’t have to absorb the cost. If he can’t fundraise money to get rid of a coach he gave the contract to then he deserves to be fired. It’s that simple. Fundraising money is the most essential task for an AD. If UK really can’t fundraise that kind of money then we’re going to have bigger issues moving forward.

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