Tough conversation: is Allar good enough?

TheWizardofCamelot said:

Former 5* prized recruit and now third year starting QB - I think everyone can agree that Allar has IMPROVED every year since arriving at PSU. But is this another case of looks the part vs actual production? What is Allar’s best game of his career? USC? He also threw two picks in that game. Likely, what we’d come up with was a game vs mediocre to bad competition. He has yet to put together a good performance against an elite defense in his career. His MENTAL aspect of the game doesn’t seem strong - emotional, visibly down, seems anxious and nervous in big moments. He continues to make the same mistakes with his footwork which results in inaccuracies. Is it finally to admit the deep ball issue is an Allar issue? The WR needs to be 10 yards wide open for him to even throw it, or he regularly under throws the WR. Does he change his mechanics too? It looks like he aims a deep pass. I don’t want to ignore what we does well, of course - he has a canon of an arm and throws down the middle of the field + across the far hash better than any qb is college. He’s become a hell of an athlete and moves well out of the pocket as well. But after yesterday, I think it’s time to commit to running the ball and taking as much pressure off Allar as possible. Develop the OL and lean totally on our two elite RBs - I’m talking 40-50 rushing attempts a game.

JoeLion said:

The Ducks look like a really all around good team. How he preforms in that game will tell us a lot.

Big_O said:

At times his accuracy is amazing. Other times he misses an easy throw like the one to Singleton out of the backfield that likely would have been a long gainer. He was slapping himself on the helmet after that one. He needs to improve his consistency. At least it seems he is going more through his progressions compared to the previous two years l

Bison13 said:

His mechanics are still hit and miss . He doesn’t step into a lot of those deep throws like he should. I think that also leads to him being behind some of the guys on the slant or crossing routes. If he got his hips into the throw a little more, that would be an extra couple miles an hour, which would then hit the guys in stride

KingLando said:

Did you miss the perfectly thrown deep ball for a TD in tight coverage yesterday? This is all being overly critical because of him being a 5* QB. He's one of the best, if not the best, in college football. But we should be pounding the ball...30-40 runs a game. Both backs need 15+ carries. That's not because of Allar. That's how you control the game with an elite D

LMTLION said:

I would take Pribula over Allar. I don’t care if Allar is a better NFL prospect. Pribula has it upstairs to be a winner in college similar to Trace McSorely. Allar lacks that killer instinct and core strength. He gets frustrated. He already looks like he will get locked onto Reynolds (no offense to him, he will be a good TE) as a safety valve for the rest of the season instead of using the wrs. It was effing FIU yesterday and he cannot handle the pressure.

sdwcpa said:

Overcritical? Perhaps. But until he does it in a big game he deserves some criticism. As the above poster said probably his best game was at USC against what turned out to be a mid level B10 team. To say that he is the best or one of the best QBs in the country may eventually be true but until he proves it against an elite team that is fools gold. Granted it was against Grambling but I really liked the ball that Julian Sayin was throwing yesterday. I was also very impressed with the Oklahoma QB last night against far better competition than Aller has faced so far, If I thought hard i could probably come up with a few other QBs that I would rather have right now than Aller. Hopefully he proves me wrong on Sept 29.

LMTLION said:

I would take Pribula over Allar. I don’t care if Allar is a better NFL prospect. Pribula has it upstairs to be a winner in college similar to Trace McSorely. Allar lacks that killer instinct and core strength. He gets frustrated. He already looks like he will get locked onto Reynolds (no offense to him, he will be a good TE) as a safety valve for the rest of the season instead of using the wrs. It was effing FIU yesterday and he cannot handle the pressure.

KingLando said:

Did you watch the Oregon game last year? He's proven it. Over and over again. The problem here is people like LMT would rather root for an underdog like Beau then accepting a 5* kid won't ever be perfect. No QB is. Against Texas people were saying Sayin (sorry) was garbage and could only manage games. At the end of the day QBs like Allar can win a title. Beau, like Trace, were capable of that so as long as you set unreasonable expectations for him you'll continue to be overly critical. Against elite defenses he's going to make mistake. Every QB does. Accepting that is key. Not even Brady or Manning were perfect.

sdwcpa said:

Texas was the number 1 team in the country even if they were over rated . It was his first start. He was only charged with managing the game which he did quite well. Aller is in his 4th season. The Oregon game was still a loss. I would like to know where the " over and over" comes from especially when it comes to elite competition.

TheWizardofCamelot said:

Former 5* prized recruit and now third year starting QB - I think everyone can agree that Allar has IMPROVED every year since arriving at PSU. But is this another case of looks the part vs actual production? What is Allar’s best game of his career? USC? He also threw two picks in that game. Likely, what we’d come up with was a game vs mediocre to bad competition. He has yet to put together a good performance against an elite defense in his career. His MENTAL aspect of the game doesn’t seem strong - emotional, visibly down, seems anxious and nervous in big moments. He continues to make the same mistakes with his footwork which results in inaccuracies. Is it finally to admit the deep ball issue is an Allar issue? The WR needs to be 10 yards wide open for him to even throw it, or he regularly under throws the WR. Does he change his mechanics too? It looks like he aims a deep pass. I don’t want to ignore what we does well, of course - he has a canon of an arm and throws down the middle of the field + across the far hash better than any qb is college. He’s become a hell of an athlete and moves well out of the pocket as well. But after yesterday, I think it’s time to commit to running the ball and taking as much pressure off Allar as possible. Develop the OL and lean totally on our two elite RBs - I’m talking 40-50 rushing attempts a game.

KingLando said:

Did you miss the perfectly thrown deep ball for a TD in tight coverage yesterday? This is all being overly critical because of him being a 5* QB. He's one of the best, if not the best, in college football. But we should be pounding the ball...30-40 runs a game. Both backs need 15+ carries. That's not because of Allar. That's how you control the game with an elite D

LMTLION said:

I would take Pribula over Allar. I don’t care if Allar is a better NFL prospect. Pribula has it upstairs to be a winner in college similar to Trace McSorely. Allar lacks that killer instinct and core strength. He gets frustrated. He already looks like he will get locked onto Reynolds (no offense to him, he will be a good TE) as a safety valve for the rest of the season instead of using the wrs. It was effing FIU yesterday and he cannot handle the pressure.

TheWizardofCamelot said:

Former 5* prized recruit and now third year starting QB - I think everyone can agree that Allar has IMPROVED every year since arriving at PSU. But is this another case of looks the part vs actual production? What is Allar’s best game of his career? USC? He also threw two picks in that game. Likely, what we’d come up with was a game vs mediocre to bad competition. He has yet to put together a good performance against an elite defense in his career. His MENTAL aspect of the game doesn’t seem strong - emotional, visibly down, seems anxious and nervous in big moments. He continues to make the same mistakes with his footwork which results in inaccuracies. Is it finally to admit the deep ball issue is an Allar issue? The WR needs to be 10 yards wide open for him to even throw it, or he regularly under throws the WR. Does he change his mechanics too? It looks like he aims a deep pass. I don’t want to ignore what we does well, of course - he has a canon of an arm and throws down the middle of the field + across the far hash better than any qb is college. He’s become a hell of an athlete and moves well out of the pocket as well. But after yesterday, I think it’s time to commit to running the ball and taking as much pressure off Allar as possible. Develop the OL and lean totally on our two elite RBs - I’m talking 40-50 rushing attempts a game.

NoBareFeet said:

Perfectly thrown? He was way late in throwing that ball. Ross had his man beat by a mile, but had to wait for the ball because it was late and underthrown. Ross bailed that throw out.

Big_O said:

At times his accuracy is amazing. Other times he misses an easy throw like the one to Singleton out of the backfield that likely would have been a long gainer. He was slapping himself on the helmet after that one. He needs to improve his consistency. At least it seems he is going more through his progressions compared to the previous two years l

KingLando said:

Did you watch the Oregon game last year? He's proven it. Over and over again. The problem here is people like LMT would rather root for an underdog like Beau then accepting a 5* kid won't ever be perfect. No QB is. Against Texas people were saying Sayin (sorry) was garbage and could only manage games. At the end of the day QBs like Allar can win a title. Beau, like Trace, were capable of that so as long as you set unreasonable expectations for him you'll continue to be overly critical. Against elite defenses he's going to make mistake. Every QB does. Accepting that is key. Not even Brady or Manning were perfect.