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JEHseminoleNov 25, 3:50 PM

We are 5-6 primarily because

The team reflects its Head Coach. Period. 1-2 vs rosters who have higher composite talent ratings. 4-4 vs rosters with lower talent. But it is even worse than that because 2 of those 4 wins against lower talent came against Texas A&M Commerce and Kent State. Against P4 schools that were less talented, we are 2-4. So 3-6 against the P4, and we had a talent advantage in 6 of those 9 games. Team plays tight on the road because their coach is wound tight. They fold when things go bad because their Coach is a walking catch phrase machine but ultimately doesn't even believe in himself at this point. And it is obvious the kids recognize it and it seeps into the team itself. If you look at advanced metrics on these games this is a team that should probably have a current record somewhere between 7-4 to 10-1. But they are 5-6. Because Mike Norvell is the HC.
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Nole Daddy

Nov 25, 3:52 PM

JEHseminole said:
The team reflects its Head Coach. Period. 1-2 vs rosters who have higher composite talent ratings. 4-4 vs rosters with lower talent. But it is even worse than that because 2 of those 4 wins against lower talent came against Texas A&M Commerce and Kent State. Against P4 schools that were less talented, we are 2-4. So 3-6 against the P4, and we had a talent advantage in 6 of those 9 games. Team plays tight on the road because their coach is wound tight. They fold when things go bad because their Coach is a walking catch phrase machine but ultimately doesn't even believe in himself at this point. And it is obvious the kids recognize it and it seeps into the team itself. If you look at advanced metrics on these games this is a team that should probably have a current record somewhere between 7-4 to 10-1. But they are 5-6. Because Mike Norvell is the HC.
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OneClew4U

Nov 25, 3:56 PM

Only the adminstration doesnt understand
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TavrinJ

Nov 25, 3:57 PM

JEHseminole said:
The team reflects its Head Coach. Period. 1-2 vs rosters who have higher composite talent ratings. 4-4 vs rosters with lower talent. But it is even worse than that because 2 of those 4 wins against lower talent came against Texas A&M Commerce and Kent State. Against P4 schools that were less talented, we are 2-4. So 3-6 against the P4, and we had a talent advantage in 6 of those 9 games. Team plays tight on the road because their coach is wound tight. They fold when things go bad because their Coach is a walking catch phrase machine but ultimately doesn't even believe in himself at this point. And it is obvious the kids recognize it and it seeps into the team itself. If you look at advanced metrics on these games this is a team that should probably have a current record somewhere between 7-4 to 10-1. But they are 5-6. Because Mike Norvell is the HC.
"Team plays tight on the road because their coach is wound tight. They fold when things go bad because their Coach is a walking catch phrase machine but ultimately doesn't even believe in himself at this point. And it is obvious the kids recognize it and it seeps into the team itself." ...and cause our fan base sucks and are not behind the HC and have media outlets & the like talking about him being fired for months now - yeah - not a single human would be "wound tight" or have issues "believe in himself" or having it "seep into team". Good thing home games the true fans showed up every game and the results showed, for the most part. GoNoles!
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Master of Muppets

Nov 25, 3:58 PM

JEHseminole said:
The team reflects its Head Coach. Period. 1-2 vs rosters who have higher composite talent ratings. 4-4 vs rosters with lower talent. But it is even worse than that because 2 of those 4 wins against lower talent came against Texas A&M Commerce and Kent State. Against P4 schools that were less talented, we are 2-4. So 3-6 against the P4, and we had a talent advantage in 6 of those 9 games. Team plays tight on the road because their coach is wound tight. They fold when things go bad because their Coach is a walking catch phrase machine but ultimately doesn't even believe in himself at this point. And it is obvious the kids recognize it and it seeps into the team itself. If you look at advanced metrics on these games this is a team that should probably have a current record somewhere between 7-4 to 10-1. But they are 5-6. Because Mike Norvell is the HC.
There is something almost magically bad about the way they lose. Hopefully the fact that he's coming back next year helps loosen them up this weekend.
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Neamathla

Nov 25, 4:04 PM

TavrinJ said:
"Team plays tight on the road because their coach is wound tight. They fold when things go bad because their Coach is a walking catch phrase machine but ultimately doesn't even believe in himself at this point. And it is obvious the kids recognize it and it seeps into the team itself." ...and cause our fan base sucks and are not behind the HC and have media outlets & the like talking about him being fired for months now - yeah - not a single human would be "wound tight" or have issues "believe in himself" or having it "seep into team". Good thing home games the true fans showed up every game and the results showed, for the most part. GoNoles!
Genius! It’s our fault! 🙄
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GatorHater4Life

Nov 25, 4:07 PM

JEHseminole said:
The team reflects its Head Coach. Period. 1-2 vs rosters who have higher composite talent ratings. 4-4 vs rosters with lower talent. But it is even worse than that because 2 of those 4 wins against lower talent came against Texas A&M Commerce and Kent State. Against P4 schools that were less talented, we are 2-4. So 3-6 against the P4, and we had a talent advantage in 6 of those 9 games. Team plays tight on the road because their coach is wound tight. They fold when things go bad because their Coach is a walking catch phrase machine but ultimately doesn't even believe in himself at this point. And it is obvious the kids recognize it and it seeps into the team itself. If you look at advanced metrics on these games this is a team that should probably have a current record somewhere between 7-4 to 10-1. But they are 5-6. Because Mike Norvell is the HC.
You forgot to add ACC refs. They helped 2 or 3 losses happen. No probkem. Easy for them.
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Noletrade24

Nov 25, 4:12 PM

Master of Muppets said:
There is something almost magically bad about the way they lose.
You can see it in MN’s demeanor, both on and off the field. Like “2+2 now somehow equals 5 and for the life of me, I can’t figure out why?”
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Mercutio

Nov 25, 4:20 PM

We certainly could have done with a quality passing quarterback and at least one good rush end
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ckellum5

Nov 25, 4:21 PM

TavrinJ said:
"Team plays tight on the road because their coach is wound tight. They fold when things go bad because their Coach is a walking catch phrase machine but ultimately doesn't even believe in himself at this point. And it is obvious the kids recognize it and it seeps into the team itself." ...and cause our fan base sucks and are not behind the HC and have media outlets & the like talking about him being fired for months now - yeah - not a single human would be "wound tight" or have issues "believe in himself" or having it "seep into team". Good thing home games the true fans showed up every game and the results showed,
Boo hoo..
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JEHseminole

Nov 25, 4:40 PM

TavrinJ said:
"Team plays tight on the road because their coach is wound tight. They fold when things go bad because their Coach is a walking catch phrase machine but ultimately doesn't even believe in himself at this point. And it is obvious the kids recognize it and it seeps into the team itself." ...and cause our fan base sucks and are not behind the HC and have media outlets & the like talking about him being fired for months now - yeah - not a single human would be "wound tight" or have issues "believe in himself" or having it "seep into team". Good thing home games the true fans showed up every game and the results showed, for the most part. GoNoles!
I was a season ticket holder for years, I am an alumn, I have traveled all across this country to support the Noles in person and I have supported the program and this very Coach beyond any reasonable limits. So kindly stfu and keep it moving if you think the "fanbase sucks" because this is below the standard to the point of being fireable.
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JEHseminole

Nov 25, 4:40 PM

Master of Muppets said:
There is something almost magically bad about the way they lose. Hopefully the fact that he's coming back next year helps loosen them up this weekend.
I mean yea I don't even know how else to explain it so we can go with magical lol.
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JEHseminole

Nov 25, 4:41 PM

GatorHater4Life said:
You forgot to add ACC refs. They helped 2 or 3 losses happen. No probkem. Easy for them.
Bowden dealt with it. Jimbo dealt with it. The ACC refs are a margin of error we have always had to overcome since coming into the conference. Mike does not get to use it as an excuse.
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AlpineNole

Nov 25, 4:43 PM

TavrinJ said:
"Team plays tight on the road because their coach is wound tight. They fold when things go bad because their Coach is a walking catch phrase machine but ultimately doesn't even believe in himself at this point. And it is obvious the kids recognize it and it seeps into the team itself." ...and cause our fan base sucks and are not behind the HC and have media outlets & the like talking about him being fired for months now - yeah - not a single human would be "wound tight" or have issues "believe in himself" or having it "seep into team". Good thing home games the true fans showed up every game and the results showed, for the most part. GoNoles!
The man is paid 10 million a year to have ice in his veins. If he can’t handle the pressure, he should ‘quit for his health.’
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Venetian Salami

Nov 25, 4:45 PM

TavrinJ said:
"Team plays tight on the road because their coach is wound tight. They fold when things go bad because their Coach is a walking catch phrase machine but ultimately doesn't even believe in himself at this point. And it is obvious the kids recognize it and it seeps into the team itself." ...and cause our fan base sucks and are not behind the HC and have media outlets & the like talking about him being fired for months now - yeah - not a single human would be "wound tight" or have issues "believe in himself" or having it "seep into team". Good thing home games the true fans showed up every game and the results showed, for the most part. GoNoles!
He is paid handsomely to block out external pressure for himself and the team, he's delusional if he didn't think that would be part of taking a big time job. If he's not up to the job he's welcome to step aside. No one is forcing him to stay. It's wild that you guys think he's so soft that he can't guide himself and the players through media gossip and fan anger. I don't think he's soft, I think he's inept.
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Grumpiebk

Nov 25, 4:45 PM

PLAYERS EMULATE COACHES. PERIOD.
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srod1998

Nov 25, 4:47 PM

JEHseminole said:
The team reflects its Head Coach. Period. 1-2 vs rosters who have higher composite talent ratings. 4-4 vs rosters with lower talent. But it is even worse than that because 2 of those 4 wins against lower talent came against Texas A&M Commerce and Kent State. Against P4 schools that were less talented, we are 2-4. So 3-6 against the P4, and we had a talent advantage in 6 of those 9 games. Team plays tight on the road because their coach is wound tight. They fold when things go bad because their Coach is a walking catch phrase machine but ultimately doesn't even believe in himself at this point. And it is obvious the kids recognize it and it seeps into the team itself. If you look at advanced metrics on these games this is a team that should probably have a current record somewhere between 7-4 to 10-1. But they are 5-6. Because Mike Norvell is the HC.
I have had keyboard warriors try and argue with me about the roster talent composite score. Your post is 100% accurate and its not close - the talent is sufficient to be 2-5 wins better. And if that had happened, we would NOT be marching with pitchforks. And I would argue its really 8-3 to 10-1, because the Bama win reset the projection. Our coach is the reason for the losing, not a lack of talent. Excellent post.
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nolesfanfromsouthfl.

Nov 25, 4:48 PM

TavrinJ said:
"Team plays tight on the road because their coach is wound tight. They fold when things go bad because their Coach is a walking catch phrase machine but ultimately doesn't even believe in himself at this point. And it is obvious the kids recognize it and it seeps into the team itself." ...and cause our fan base sucks and are not behind the HC and have media outlets & the like talking about him being fired for months now - yeah - not a single human would be "wound tight" or have issues "believe in himself" or having it "seep into team". Good thing home games the true fans showed up every game and the results showed, for the most part. GoNoles!
So things have to be absolutely perfect for this Coach to be effective on the field? I swear, people who defends this guy loves pointing the finger in every direction at any person or situation they can, except the guy who is in charge of everything
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mjpwooo

Nov 25, 4:48 PM

He’s got an opportunity to reinvent himself (again, I know). One of the great things about Bobby was that he was able reinvent himself. someone who cares about Mike needs to explain to him that chest thumping, money fingers on third down, and all that baloney has to be addressed/corrected because it doesn’t not work. he’s the coach of the team I root for so I hope he can do it.
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mjpwooo

Nov 25, 4:50 PM

JEHseminole said:
The team reflects its Head Coach. Period. 1-2 vs rosters who have higher composite talent ratings. 4-4 vs rosters with lower talent. But it is even worse than that because 2 of those 4 wins against lower talent came against Texas A&M Commerce and Kent State. Against P4 schools that were less talented, we are 2-4. So 3-6 against the P4, and we had a talent advantage in 6 of those 9 games. Team plays tight on the road because their coach is wound tight. They fold when things go bad because their Coach is a walking catch phrase machine but ultimately doesn't even believe in himself at this point. And it is obvious the kids recognize it and it seeps into the team itself. If you look at advanced metrics on these games this is a team that should probably have a current record somewhere between 7-4 to 10-1. But they are 5-6. Because Mike Norvell is the HC.
You know I agree with you. And….if he had just beaten Stanford all this would be so much less than it is. It’s fireable all by itself (the Stanford game).
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Wac169

Nov 25, 4:50 PM

Master of Muppets said:
There is something almost magically bad about the way they lose. Hopefully the fact that he's coming back next year helps loosen them up this weekend.
The coach is the in person version of bad luck. it surrounds him and is constant. If you have not seen enough horrible things happen to him and those around him in the last 6 years i don't know what to say. I know that you and others on here will say i am insane and that's fine but the guy is jinxed/unlucky etc. and imo, the quicker fsu gets rid of him, the better b/c he isn't going to accomplish anything here. Hell even when he "won" in'23 he lost. you meet people like this and they keep hoping that things will even out and they never do, that's mike.
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Noles1993

Nov 25, 4:51 PM

Now we are going to start posting analytics of why this program has not won on the road , 6-17 ( 3-13 in ACC) in last two years to try explain why Norvell should not have been fired or not the problem. Okay.
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1ChampionsWay

Nov 25, 4:53 PM

I think our quarterback is the main reason we are 5-6. It's the reason we were 2-10. It's also the reason we were so good in 2023. Its the reason jimbo won his natty. It's the reason Bobby won his natty's. You have to have an elite quarterback to compete for championships. Quarterback and defensive line is where championships are won IMO.
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Sumnernole

Nov 25, 4:56 PM

He is coming back next year. Move on.
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Neamathla

Nov 25, 5:01 PM

Sumnernole said:
He is coming back next year. Move on.
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