Why is Mike being allowed to make these coaching changes without the oversight of a new GM?

Maybe Mike is the new GM.

Because it was a lie by the administration nothing is going to change substantially. They didn’t want to pay the huge buyout and now they are trying to spin it anyway they can to appease people. Mike and the higher ups will run the program further into the ground for the next several years.

Democratic Nole said:

I am really perplexed about why Mike is being allowed to fire and hire coaches before we have a new GM in place. Collins' statement included the following: "Throughout the assessment, one goal will remain beyond all others – achieving sustained championship-level success. We will address performance deficiencies in the program. These deficiencies may include structural changes to the very large and complex program FSU football has become, and these areas are where we will focus and invest." Most people have interpreted that as a complete overhaul of the front office. How is a new GM supposed to help right the ship and correct deficiencies if he is brought in after every consequential decision, including roster management has been decided? Mike has proven a failure here even after bringing in new coordinators and all these new coaches last year. I cannot believe the university would give him the freedom to do this again without someone else making the decisions.

I think some of you may have the wrong idea of what a GM's responsibility is here. You think the GM at LSU is telling Lane who he can or can't hire to his staff? There is still going to be a head football coach at FSU.

Master of Muppets said:

I think some of you may have the wrong idea of what a GM's responsibility is here. You think the GM at LSU is telling Lane who he can or can't hire to his staff? There is still going to be a head football coach at FSU.

The difference Lane is actually a really good coach who can identity talent, Mike has proven to be an inept HC who can’t spot or develop talent.

We have no idea what’s happening. Nobody knows what the current chain of command entails. Assuming Mike has no oversight on his hires seems a little naive.

Because Norvell has FSU by the balls. Nothing they can do with that buyout.

so we wait around for a few months until the right person is identified and hired. In the mean time NOTHING gets done and target assistants get hired elsewhere. Then the board is screaming that nothing is getting done

Master of Muppets said:

I think some of you may have the wrong idea of what a GM's responsibility is here. You think the GM at LSU is telling Lane who he can or can't hire to his staff? There is still going to be a head football coach at FSU.

Lane Kiffin and Mike Norvell are not equals.

GeorgiaNole said:

We have no idea what’s happening. Nobody knows what the current chain of command entails. Assuming Mike has no oversight on his hires seems a little naive.

I bet even the leadership can't even agree on what's happening. Who has the power of oversight on his hires and on Mike?

Warott said:

The difference Lane is actually a really good coach who can identity talent, Mike has proven to be an inept HC who can’t spot or develop talent.

I knew someone was going to say this. smh. So you think that FSU is supposed to hire a GM that won't let Norvell do any part of his job? I'm not asking if you want that. I'm asking if you realistically expected that to happen at FSU. Or anywhere else? Everything post you guys make at this point is nothing more than twisting every single possible topic into your hatred of Mike Norvell as FSU's coach. It just becomes so nonsensical. He's the head coach.

Because any coaches he hires can be fired along with him if it comes to that. No GM in the NFL hires assistant coaches, including when the HC is on the hot seat. I’m not high on Mike either, but man some in our fanbase are being completely unreasonable about the current reality. “We’ll keep you but you can’t do your job” isn’t realistic.

Master of Muppets said:

I think some of you may have the wrong idea of what a GM's responsibility is here. You think the GM at LSU is telling Lane who he can or can't hire to his staff? There is still going to be a head football coach at FSU.

Democratic Nole said:

I am really perplexed about why Mike is being allowed to fire and hire coaches before we have a new GM in place. Collins' statement included the following: "Throughout the assessment, one goal will remain beyond all others – achieving sustained championship-level success. We will address performance deficiencies in the program. These deficiencies may include structural changes to the very large and complex program FSU football has become, and these areas are where we will focus and invest." Most people have interpreted that as a complete overhaul of the front office. How is a new GM supposed to help right the ship and correct deficiencies if he is brought in after every consequential decision, including roster management has been decided? Mike has proven a failure here even after bringing in new coordinators and all these new coaches last year. I cannot believe the university would give him the freedom to do this again without someone else making the decisions.

Think of this as the NFL model GM’s in the NFL do not tell the head coaches who to hire their assistant coaches Owners have done it in the past, but last I looked Norvell doesn’t own anything

Master of Muppets said:

I knew someone was going to say this. smh. So you think that FSU is supposed to hire a GM that won't let Norvell do any part of his job? I'm not asking if you want that. I'm asking if you realistically expected that to happen at FSU. Or anywhere else? Everything post you guys make at this point is nothing more than twisting every single possible topic into your hatred of Mike Norvell as FSU's coach. It just becomes so nonsensical. He's the head coach.

Why should he have any say? He’s proven he sucks at getting talent, let someone who knows talent acquisition do that job. You know as well as anyone who pays attention if not for his buyout Mike would have been fired last year. Mike sticking with terrible asst coaches also proves he can’t get the job done. I don’t hate Norvell as a person he’s a nice guy but it’s not about who you want to invite to your BBQ it’s about who can run a successful program

Democratic Nole said:

Lane Kiffin and Mike Norvell are not equals.

Maybe not in ability, but they have equal jobs. The idea that because we want the coach gone that he's not going to do any of the stuff that is his job is crazy. Like you seriously, in earnest thought there wouldn't be ANY staff changes until FSU hires a GM? And that person is going to be completely in charge of ALL personnel decisions? You thought that every other school hiring a GM would have specific responsibilities but at FSU they were all encompassing because Mike? No one ever said anything to give that impression and you should be embarrassed if you actually thought that. My guess is you didn't think that and just wanted to start another thread slamming Norvell.

Warott said:

Why should he have any say? He’s proven he sucks at getting talent, let someone who knows talent acquisition do that job. You know as well as anyone who pays attention if not for his buyout Mike would have been fired last year. Mike sticking with terrible asst coaches also proves he can’t get the job done. I don’t hate Norvell as a person he’s a nice guy but it’s not about who you want to invite to your BBQ it’s about who can run a successful program

Because he's the head coach. And the most qualified person to make those decisions. Even if you think he's really bad at them. It's not about Norvell, it's about you guys' completely laughable thoughts on what a GM at a college football program was going to be tasked with.

Master of Muppets said:

I think some of you may have the wrong idea of what a GM's responsibility is here. You think the GM at LSU is telling Lane who he can or can't hire to his staff? There is still going to be a head football coach at FSU.

The hope, however misplaced, that many of us had is that the GM would come in and shore up some of Norvell's inadequacies the GM, basically to protect the program and him from himself. It appears this won't be the case and Norvell will continue to make decisions he's proven to frequently get wrong. But hey, this time we'll "climb".

Venetian Salami said:

The hope, however misplaced, that many of us had is that the GM would come in and shore up some of Norvell's inadequacies the GM, basically to protect the program and him from himself. ie Closer to the NFL model where the GM runs the show and holds the coach accountable. It appears this won't be the case and Norvell will continue to make decisions he's proven to frequently get wrong.

I don't even know why you guys think that the GM is being brought in because of or "for" Norvell. Programs all across the Country are moving toward this model. They don't have Mike Norvell as their coach. This is a restructuring for the modern era of college football. We'll have a GM after Norvell is gone. No one ever gave ANY indication that they were bringing someone in to do Norvell's entire job for him. Whoever we hire isn't going to be Co Head Football Coach. That was always a strawman that you guys made up to make lame jokes about.

If JP is gone...look for Scott Fountain to get a call...longtime special teams coach...former Nole...connections to Malzahn.

Master of Muppets said:

Maybe not in ability, but they have equal jobs. The idea that because we want the coach gone that he's not going to do any of the stuff that is his job is crazy. Like you seriously, in earnest thought there wouldn't be ANY staff changes until FSU hires a GM? And that person is going to be completely in charge of ALL personnel decisions? You thought that every other school hiring a GM would have specific responsibilities but at FSU they were all encompassing because Mike? No one ever said anything to give that impression and you should be embarrassed if you actually thought that. My guess is you didn't think that and just wanted to start another thread slamming Norvell.

Tone down the rhetoric a bit. I look at this situation as quite unique. Most places would have fired an unsuccessful coach rather than retain him for another year, with what in all likelihood will be another failed season. The administration promised structural changes. Most people have said that is likely to be an overhaul of the front office with a general manager in what has been speculated as a more NFL-like setup. In most instances, the head coach would have complete control over his assistants. However, in most instances, the head coach doing the hiring/firing of assistants is not a dead man walking. Mike can incur financial liabilities that the university has to pay when he hires and fires coaches. This is especially true of this situation because we likely will have to overpay to get new assistants because they know Mike is a dead man walking. Thus, I assumed that part of the "structural changes" would be having the GM provide oversight to Mike's hiring and firing of assistant coaches, among other duties.

Democratic Nole said:

Tone down the rhetoric a bit. I look at this situation as quite unique. Most places would have fired an unsuccessful coach rather than retain him for another year, with what in all likelihood will be another failed season. The administration promised structural changes. Most people have said that is likely to be an overhaul of the front office with a general manager in what has been speculated as a more NFL-like setup. In most instances, the head coach would have complete control over his assistants. However, in most instances, the head coach doing the hiring/firing of assistants is not a dead man walking. Mike can incur financial liabilities that the university has to pay when he hires and fires coaches. This is especially true of this situation because we likely will have to overpay to get new assistants because they know Mike is a dead man walking. Thus, I assumed that part of the "structural changes" would be having the GM provide oversight to Mike's hiring and firing of assistant coaches, among other duties.

Ok, but your assumption is nothing more than a bad guess. We are not going to hire a GM for one year that just does the head coach's job for him. It's a long term plan. It's a long term plan if you aren't really mad about the coach or if you are really mad about him.

Master of Muppets said:

I don't even know why you guys think that the GM is being brought in because of or "for" Norvell. Programs all across the Country are moving toward this model. They don't have Mike Norvell as their coach. This is a restructuring for the modern era of college football. We'll have a GM after Norvell is gone. No one ever gave ANY indication that they were bringing someone in to do Norvell's entire job for him. Whoever we hire isn't going to be Co Head Football Coach. That was always a strawman that you guys made up to make lame jokes about.

We all know that most programs have already brought on a qualified GM, ie not Yray. But our thinking was that the new "structural changes" would include a GM at FSU with expanded responsibilities compared to those of his "P4" peers. Norvell is inept and needs a lot of help, not just from a GM but also from coordinators, position coaches, administrators, recruiting staff, scouts, etc... We aren't LSU or any normal program, we're stuck with a guy we cannot fire and need to hire people to do their own jobs and a little bit of his. If we don't acknowledge this reality there's very little chance of things improving until their fire has arse into the sun.

Venetian Salami said:

The hope, however misplaced, that many of us had is that the GM would come in and shore up some of Norvell's inadequacies the GM, basically to protect the program and him from himself. It appears this won't be the case and Norvell will continue to make decisions he's proven to frequently get wrong. But hey, this time we'll "climb".

Consultant just was here. Report headed to Alford with what his recommendations might be. Again folks Henry column in Democrat. Slow down lets see where this goes. President, BOT and AD are Mikes bosses.