Why won’t Dabo make changes now?

The ball is already rolling. You can go ahead and talk to assistance to hire them. usually during the season you fire assistance to get people‘s attention but at this point people already know who’s gonna be fired so it doesn’t really make a difference either way.

Not firing anyone just signals he's done after this year.

drnuckles6 said:

Not firing anyone just signals he's done after this year.

That won’t happen. The better question is will he fire the right ones and will the new hires be the best qualified possible.

I know it's easy to forget but a lot of these guys who are probably getting fired have a long time, personal relationship with Dabo. No need to humiliate someone you care about. They may be failing at their job but you still call them a friend. Its why you dont hire buddies to high profile jobs.

Can’t get worse than it is so might as well go ahead and get rid of them.

He can't change players during the middle of the season. He can keep churning coaches every year, but nothing is going to improve until the talent level on the field improves. We have reached the point that some of our starters aren't even P4 level. Everything he has done since 2018 regarding roster management has diminished the talent level. This is why I don't ever see him returning the program to a championship level.

tigerragman said:

That won’t happen. The better question is will he fire the right ones and will the new hires be the best qualified possible.

Folks on here want to fire several qualified members of the staff besides the clown nepotism hires dabo made.

drnuckles6 said:

Folks on here want to fire several qualified members of the staff besides the clown nepotism hires dabo made.

There's not several qualified coaches on the whole staff of 10. Maybe 1-2.

The reference to Rob Spence is interesting to me given some recent rumination of how he was terminated. Many Clemson people seemed plenty happy to sanction Dabo firing Spence immediately upon getting the HC job as he had become quite unpopular among the fanbase at the time. But, if you really think about what happened ... A subordinate who had clashed with a superior because the superior didn't really take the subordinate's input then immediately fired the superior as their first act upon the chain of command getting flipped. By all accounts, the action was undertaken quite swiftly and with considerable enthusiasm apparent. Does it speak well that someone would rush to so publicly rebuke another with whom they've held a personal grudge as soon as the power dynamic is changed? Taking a certain satisfaction in it? An easy argument can be made for that defining pettiness. Topical now as the "no one may be allowed to disagree with me" attitude has become front and center as to the degree potential change may be hindered by it.

Chevaker said:

He can't change players during the middle of the season. He can keep churning coaches every year, but nothing is going to improve until the talent level on the field improves. We have reached the point that some of our starters aren't even P4 level. Everything he has done since 2018 regarding roster management has diminished the talent level. This is why I don't ever see him returning the program to a championship level.

You are correct about talent level but with correct coaching you can sometimes mask certain aspects of talent but the issue right now at Clemson there is definitely an lack of talent and coaching at numerous positions.

skinnytig said:

There's not several qualified coaches on the whole staff of 10. Maybe 1-2.

Luke, Eason, Rumph, and Reed are all extremely qualified position coaches. Riley could've chosen anywhere he wanted after TCU went to the national championship.

Dustin7594 said:

but at this point people already know who’s gonna be fired so it doesn’t really make a difference either way.

Do tell…

JTJohnston said:

The reference to Rob Spence is interesting to me given some recent rumination of how he was terminated. Many Clemson people seemed plenty happy to sanction Dabo firing Spence immediately upon getting the HC job as he had become quite unpopular among the fanbase at the time. But, if you really think about what happened ... A subordinate who had clashed with a superior because the superior didn't really take the subordinate's input then immediately fired the superior as their first act upon the chain of command getting flipped. By all accounts, the action was undertaken quite swiftly and with considerable enthusiasm apparent. Does it speak well that someone would rush to so publicly rebuke another with whom they've held a personal grudge as soon as the power dynamic is changed? Taking a certain satisfaction in it? An easy argument can be made for that defining pettiness. Topical now as the "no one may be allowed to disagree with me" attitude has become front and center as to the degree potential change may be hindered by it.

You don’t keep someone who would undermine you. That still stands true today.

Esso13 said:

You are correct about talent level but with correct coaching you can sometimes mask certain aspects of talent but the issue right now at Clemson there is definitely an lack of talent and coaching at numerous positions.

Chevaker said:

He can't change players during the middle of the season. He can keep churning coaches every year, but nothing is going to improve until the talent level on the field improves. We have reached the point that some of our starters aren't even P4 level. Everything he has done since 2018 regarding roster management has diminished the talent level. This is why I don't ever see him returning the program to a championship level.

Respectfully, I don’t buy the talent argument. At least not for the team as a whole. Maybe for safety. But you can’t convince me that the players we signed who mostly were coveted by everyone were all misses. No no, this goes deeper. This is a physical development, motivation, and coaching failure. I bet if this same roster was being coached by the Indiana staff this year, they’d be in the top 5 and undefeated. Just my opinion, but I think the talent is there. It’s simply not being developed.

If coaches know they are not coming back and are still on staff.... it would be one of the dumbest things Dabo has done....and that list is getting longer every day.

navytiger said:

You don’t keep someone who would undermine you. That still stands true today.

True. That move looked a lot more like a flex than anything functional honestly.

6 straight home losses to P4 opponents requires action. Blowing coverages 8 games in & coming off a bye week to fix it, requires change. Coach Swinney doesn’t like it, but other people will be involved & need to be involved in the conversation. You want the support when it goes well, you have to be willing to take the support when it is failing as well.

drnuckles6 said:

Not firing anyone just signals he's done after this year.

0/10

dustinw said:

I get it’s not the norm but didn’t he fire Rob Spence the moment he became head coach? is there a positive to keeping guys right now over letting them go? I know he can’t hire anyone if they are coaching but agents can talk and you can get the ball rolling.

So if Dabo made changes right now, who would you suggest he change too? And please don’t come out with Kyle Richardson.

JTJohnston said:

True. That move looked a lot more like a flex than anything functional honestly.

Dabo undermined RS. He didn't agree with his system. He and Spence had 0 relationship. Dabo had 0 buy in. So he gets hired, fires him, and gets behind a podium with an "all in" chip. Js

Orange&Purple said:

So if Dabo made changes right now, who would you suggest he change too? And please don’t come out with Kyle Richardson.

I have no idea I think Richardson makes the most sense for the remaining of the season or maybe Luke but I am more thinking assistants over OC

skinnytig said:

There's not several qualified coaches on the whole staff of 10. Maybe 1-2.

Disagree. Every on field coach on the team is “qualified“ with the exception of Spiller and Boulware. They may not all be effective but they were legitimate hires. Both Conn and Richardson were very successful HIgh School coaches for significant program who all spent time in significant support staff roles before moving to coach position groups. Grisham paid his dues as Jeff Scott’s understudy for many years and now has grown into an experienced coach with a strong group of receivers that he brought in.

Haha. No, they are not. Just because Dabo says so, does not count.

CUPLAYER1 said:

Dabo undermined RS. He didn't agree with his system. He and Spence had 0 relationship. Dabo had 0 buy in. So he gets hired, fires him, and gets behind a podium with an "all in" chip. Js

Yeah, in retrospect that simply wasn't a good look all things considered and probably shouldn't have been universally "celebrated" as it was at the time as a result.