OT: Unbelievable, Sherlock??
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Being reported as 9 on board. Originated out of Austin, TX enroute to the Bahamas. Haven’t seen much other info.
There was a similar Learjet crash in Philadelphia a couple of years ago, a med flight, where virtually nothing was left. But it had just taken off - both that one and this one must have been a full power impact.
If it iced over they weren't going to fly it anyway. There is nothing they could have done once it went into a stall. They could have been as cool as Fonzi or screaming their heads off. But they all might as well have been on a pumpkin shot out of a cannon.
They flew over a storm right before the crash, so it's probably icing.
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A decent pilot would have seen the hazard and calmly changed course.
This is why I donate my billions to NIL instead of flying private.**
Sorry for whoever was on board. Private planes scare me.
Sorry for whoever was on board. Private planes scare me.
From a quick Google AI
- Fatality Rates — Private aircraft have a fatality rate approximately 200 times higher per 100,000 flight hours than commercial airlines.
What else scares the crap out of me. Helicopters. That’s just a huge nope.
Pilots are humans too. They're in an uncontrollable nose dive to their death. You expect her to be rational?
I will never, ever ever fly a chartered or private flight. Ever. I've always flown Delta and never had a problem worth mentioning. I don't want to fly a single engine plane or with a hobbyist. No thanks.
They were not the strongest part of the storm, or a strong part of the storm in general. Conditions rapidly deteriorated in the area they were in (was previously just light rain) increasing the rate of supercooled water coming down due to their altitude, exponentially increasing the amount of aircraft icing and overwhelming the on board de-icers and adding lots of weight.
They had no PIREPs and ATC was not diverting them out of the rain.
If you want to blame the pilot go ahead, but when the NTSB report comes out, they won't blame pilot error.
Pretty much every commercial plane does. I don't know about the 25 year old Learjet they were flying on.
Icing conditions are very common, and are something most aircraft deal with on a regular basis, as even in the Summer, the atmosphere is regularly below freezing above 15,000 feet. The issue is icing generally has a larger impact on smaller planes, and the storm rapidly strengthening just became too much for the Learjet to overcome, causing a stall.
Technically copilot. You can hear the pilot in the background reciting the Lords Prayer.
I work for a company that builds helicopters and there's a reason I have never gone up with that give employees rides. I don't like my two feet off the ground. I will do so when it is necessary, but never just for ***** and giggles.
I took the fam on a helicopter tour over the Na Pali coast a few years ago. It was the highlight of our vacation. During the tour we stayed in one area a little longer as some CG boats zig zagged under us. After we returned to the airport the pilot told us that another tour helicopter went down about 30 minutes before we departed. I later found out that all aboard were lost. When shopping for our tour, I almost picked that one because it cost a little less. (Although they were all expensive according to my finances.) Flight time of the tour was the same and they all fly over the same stuff anyway, right? After going back and forth trying to decide which company to go with I picked one that cost a little more just because of their equipment. The less expensive tour used Robinsons while the one I selected used Bells. I'm glad I spent the time to research the difference. (That's just how I roll when it comes to planning projects, trips, events, large purchases...) It feels weird thinking back on it how close I came to ending all our lives to save a few bucks.
Wow! Thats the kind of thing that really makes you appreciate what you have. And yes, very smart to spend a little more for the company that doesn’t cut corners.
Single engine helicopters are a big no. I've flown offshore in S-92s in Alaska but at least those things have RIPs on em (rotor ice protection) so they can shed the ice off the blades. Second thing.. I want all my pilots and crew to be experience ex-military.
That cell exploded in intensity and vertical growth over 2 or 3 radar scans.
Yes. Just the wrong place at the wrong time. It happened so fast around them they didn’t have time to react.
What got me about Kobe's death was that it was all just to save some time avoiding LA traffic on a Sunday.
The difference between commercial flight and private flight when you are dealing with full time pilots and professionally maintained aircraft is not that large. Commercial flight is still definitely safer, but corporate/executive planes and on demand charters are still safer than driving.
Personal and recreational general aviation is basically like driving a motorcycle. A little more dangerous if you are looking at it by hour (which is probably the right comparison because you're probably not really driving a motorcycle to cover miles), and a little less dangerous if you are looking at fatality per mile travelled. It's more dangerous than driving a car on both metrics.
That can’t be - according an expert in this thread, the pilot could’ve just calmly turned the plane…
This was the copilot…
If that's not an old picture, I wonder if she was just riding along to get hours more so than be a second pilot? Think that's pretty common on private flights that don't require a second certified pilot; no clue what models require two pilots.
This is SPS. Snap judgement on topics in which we are not experts is the order of the day.
The owner of the company I work for has a plane equipped with a BRS chute system that he uses to travel to his various US businesses. Surely one of the most expensive options you hope to never use. I've always wondered... If a chute system can work for a capsule returning from orbit, why can't one be made for a jet?
She was only 20 years old. Is it possible to be certified to fly a Lear Jet at 20?
From the video, and I believe the NTSB is thinking along those lines now, it looked like the tail (horizontal stabilizer and vertical stabilizer) was not on the plane when it crashed. If that's the case, nobody could have calmly turned the plane.
Florida plane crash investigators say weather conditions a 'major focus,' plane may have started to break up
NTSB says the Learjet 60 may have begun breaking apart before the deadly private jet crash in a South Florida neighborhood that killed nine people.
www.foxnews.com
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