And cat dads lol
It's no wonder birth rates are dropping. What self respecting man would stick his penis in that?
She would probably have an abortion anyway. Another mouth to feed means less for that sow.
Obama on the Trail
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It's no wonder birth rates are dropping. What self respecting man would stick his penis in that?
She would probably have an abortion anyway. Another mouth to feed means less for that sow.
Can you link or copy and paste that article because otherwise the WSJ has been very critical of the tariff policy and their own editors called the tariffs dumb.
But if you strip out the oil we buy from them, we are actually running a surplus and the dairy tariff only kicks in after US exports hit a quota, a level American exports haven't reached.
Hardly the evil empire that Trump makes them out to be.
Trump has been in power for six years since and he hasn't done a single solitary thing to improve or fix the law. That should be your focus if you really cared, instead of squawking about something a president did who hasn't been in office for a decade now.
first of all not "squawking" about anything....Trump did have a bill that was killed in the Senate..remember the infamous 'thumbs down" by McCain?
I'm only bringing up the ACA because it was an Obama signature program which has not achieved what he promised. And yet we praise him as this Great President and don't question him about his promises made, promises not delivered in the same manner done for trump, Biden,and other presidents...the fact that Obama hasn't been President for six years doesn't mean much when we're still subjected to the provisions of his signature law.
And, calling out trump for not fixing the ACA seems to overlook the four years Biden was in office and ignores that we've had both Republican and Democrat controlled congress' since 2016....
No matter how much fun it is, you can't blame every problem we have on trump. One of the reasons we have high healthcare cost is the ACA...Trump did something about it in his first term....might not have been what you or I wanted, but nonetheless he did something...and all Democrat senators voted against it, by the way...
What bill? There was nothing to replace it if it had been voted down. McCain was a hero.
Ensuring that 54 million people with pre-existing conditions could get coverage with no lifetime limit was a great achievement. He hasn't been in power for 10 years, not six. Trump has been president for six years and has done nothing to improve it.
Biden took several steps to strengthen and expand the law - feel free to google it. Trump has endlessly criticized it but hasn't lifted a finger to improve it. And doesn't want to so he can cry about it on the campaign trail.
Again , there was no bill, he just tried to end it with nothing to replace it, which means millions of people would have lost their coverage. He did damage it in various ways though.
I don't agree that those are good parts.
I don't think that somebody should lose coverage because they got sick, lost their job, etc. I just don't like that you can wait until you're sick and then get insured and still be covered. People should keep themselves insured and if they don't then get sick they should go into a high risk pool.
I think coverage to 26 is too long. Kids typically graduate high school at 18 and graduate college at 22. IMO 26 is too long and it drives up cost for everybody.
FWIW I didn't use that provision when my youngest son was in college. I retired early and was paying for my own insurance. I would have needed a family policy which was expensive so I only took policy for myself and my wife. Then I had my son buy a policy through the university that was relatively inexpensive. The combined cost was significantly lower.
It’s such a night and day difference between Obama and Trump, the latter of which can’t string together three coherent sentences in a row now.
A well spoken black president was too much to handle for some in MAGA.
A well spoken black president was too much to handle for some in MAGA.
Trump fixed the tax law rather substantially with no tax on tips or overtime. You should hear the service industry’s thoughts in states like Illinois that still tax on those tips. Dems lost a lot of favor fighting Trump on this.
Remember the time Obama murdered an innocent American citizen with a drone?
Why did you have to throw in “well spoken”? Why not just say black president? Are you racist?
That has literally zero to do with the ACA, which was the subject.
But hurray for one more temporary revenue-reducing bill while we have 40TRIL in debt.
Shouldn’t have thrown away trillions of dollars to illegal immigration I guess. Thanks Biden.
It may be a trillion dollars in healthcare fraud alone.
it’s likely the interest payments on these incurred expenses is in the hundreds of billions.
Yes, trillions.
Derp, I don't think you understand how much a trillion is or much of anything at all really. Troll gonna troll doe.
Sadly I know the weight of these numbers more than you, and due to that fact I am obviously much more upset about wasteful spending. That’s why I cannot see myself voting for a Democrat any time soon.
well I might disagree..If you follow the current campaign, democrats are going to make life more affordable....they've been eliminating waste fraud and abuse since the 1980s...so have republicans for that matter.
But this time everybody means it...by 2026, everybody should be able to buy just aboit everything the want...
Spoken (actually written) like a longtime resident of the State of Denial. Good for you, Scrubster. You're the entertainment, here.
I think that's quite misleading. KFF published something with a similar headline that said 27% of adults under age 65 have pre-existing conditions. But the reality is a preexisting condition could mean anything from asthma, to arthritis to sleep apnea, to chron's disease.. It's simply not true that those 54 million people would be uninsured because they or their spouse work and continue to be covered. Furthermore people buying insurance in private markets never rejected ALL of these people. Most of the people who were rejected were people with more severe conditions like cancer or kidney failure. I think it's pretty difficult to blame the insurance companies. Do you think you should be able to drive without auto insurance than call for coverage after you've had an accident?
I think it comes down to your philosophy. Nobody wants to see people suffer without healthcare. The question is who pays for it an under what conditions. You might want more people covered which is fine but who do you want to pay for it? Do you actually think there's no cost to cover all of these things? What about GLP-1s? What about greatly expanded mental healthcare? Or all of the undocumented people or people on TPS? All of these things contribute to higher cost. I think it's disingenuous to think we can keep covering more and more things and have cost go down.
that's why we need more billionaires. The limited number we have now can't pay for the healthcare, childcare, college that we want to make free.
You'd think democrats would be encouraging more billionaires..we need their money...
We could eliminate some of the major debt if we'd expand the availability of catastrophic health insurance. The government limitations MIGHT have made sense when we had an individual mandate, but we still have about 30 million uninsured americans and even semi minor ailments can lead to life altering debt
Trump had a lot more. Dems can only pay so many street vagrants to come in.
This is about his bald-faced lie that you accepted at face value, even though you know he never tells the truth and then you shared it. Why aren't you embarrassed that your hero perpetually tries to fool you?
SMH, it simply IS TRUE if any of those 54 million people didn't previously have access to healthcare. I did not say they were uninsured, I said their conditions made them uninsurable if they didn't have protection through their job or their spouse. And how do you know what pre-existing conditions insurance companies would cover? I personally know someone that claims that couldn't get it no matter what they tried, though I can't remember what their condition was but it wasn't like cancer or kidney failure.
We already had a vehicle to get everyone covered and subsidies for those that couldn't afford it, but that law was slowly eroded. We are the only first world country that doesn't have a vehicle to get everyone covered so yes, I absolutely do think we need to find a way to do it as inexpensively as possible, but I'm not an expert so it shouldn't be up to me to provide you with those details.
I'm not interested in derailing this thread with a deep discussion about healthcare though because I'd like to keep it as close to the original subject as possible.
I wouldn't say that we need more billionaires. In fact I would like to find a way to get them to pay more taxes. I'm not sure how we should go about it but I know we're spending $7.4 trillion and only collecting $5.4 trillion. That's not sustainable so I would use the additional tax revenues to lower the deficit, not for more free stuff. I'm not talking about taking 5% of their companies every year or imposing 60% tax rates. Maybe back to 39.6% for people earning over $1 million and address some of the tax avoidance strategies.
I don't fully understand medical bankruptcies. Insurance/healthcare is way too expensive in this country but if you have insurance there is an out of pocket max. I understand that I can handle $10k easier than a lot of people but it's hardly sufficient to put people into bankruptcies. They have to be primarily older uninsured people but why is anybody uninsured? Older people have access to Medicare and poor people have access to Medicaid. Does that number include undocumented immigrants? That would be an interesting discussion.
You mention catastrophic coverage. I'm not 100% opposed to some sort of national healthcare. The problem is that my plan would be for that coverage to be minimal basic coverage where people would aspire to do better for themselves instead of remaining dependent. I'm pretty sure that democrats wouldn't support that.
That's 100% true. All pre-existing conditions are not alike. It's simply not true that a self employed person with asthma or sleep apnea can't get health insurance. I've had some issues like that and I had zero problem buying insurance.
I have no idea what you think "eroded". I assume you're talking about things like the covid era enhanced subsidies and part time work requirements for able bodied working age people without dependents or disabilities.
You are like most dems who talk about how the rest of the world has universal healthcare but if you were honest you would admit that you wouldn't find their approach to be acceptable. If you want lower cost healthcare for all you would have to find a way to make it less costly. That's a fair discussion but I assure you the answer isn't as simple as saying let the government run it.
Not interested in quibbling over if it helped to cover 54 million or 34 million - it greatly helped tens of millions.
Non-elderly adults: Roughly 54 million non-elderly American adults (about 27% of adults aged 18 to 64) have pre-existing conditions that would have made them uninsurable or subject to medical underwriting in the individual market before the ACA. [1, 2]
Obama is the man! They just need more of your money bro. Btw my healthcare is garbage.
BREAKING: The average cost of a family’s annual health insurance premium in the US is up +$1,303 YoY, or +5%, to a record $28,303.
This marks the 4th consecutive annual increase of at least +$1,300.
Over this period, the average annual premium for family coverage has surged +$5,884, or +26%.
To put this into perspective, CPI inflation has risen +13% over the same period, or half as much.
Since 1999, the average health insurance premium for a family has soared +$22,494, or +387%.
This represents an average annual growth rate of +6.1%, well above CPI inflation at +2.6% over the same period.
Health insurance has never been more expensive.
BREAKING: The average cost of a family’s annual health insurance premium in the US is up +$1,303 YoY, or +5%, to a record $28,303.
This marks the 4th consecutive annual increase of at least +$1,300.
Over this period, the average annual premium for family coverage has surged +$5,884, or +26%.
To put this into perspective, CPI inflation has risen +13% over the same period, or half as much.
Since 1999, the average health insurance premium for a family has soared +$22,494, or +387%.
This represents an average annual growth rate of +6.1%, well above CPI inflation at +2.6% over the same period.
Health insurance has never been more expensive.
key thing is that there are workable solutions to the problems....all of us won't agree with every proposal, but if everyone entered discussions with the goals, as opposed to individual biases, there would likely be some betterment to what we have.
I doubt that we'll ever get healthcare costs down significantly. There are more and more medical advances, higher cost drugs, new medical technology, personnel and infrastructure costs that are all increasing. Neither our current system or a government run system like Medicare for all is going to impact these numbers...just look at GLP1...who projected those added costs?
Thing is, right now every single American has access to health care...they might not be able to afford the platinum programs either through the ACA or through employers or from wherever...so the question is how do you subsidize the truly needy and not those who game the system? I'm not a fan of simply throwing more money at the problem. That seems to be one party's solution to everything. That strategy has never worked.
I'm encouraged by the fraud crackdowns...we lose a lot of money every year that we shouldn't.
Yet we have liberal politicians and activists actively pushing the very people exposing fraud out of their states. Making reporting it illegal, sending out goons to interfere and intimidate these reporters. These are diametrically opposing viewpoints that imo there is no coming back from. Same with ACA. I bet if we knew how that was actually working and being funded, it would make the Somali and cali fraud look like child’s play.
The pre existing condition coverage was, IMO, one of the good things. but let's not forget, when we talk about pre existing coverage, that makes healthcare costs go up. Somebody pays, and in this instance it's the taxpayers.
I have a relative in the healthcare insurance business..he has all kinds of insurance examples, employer provided, where premiums increase astronomically because of either 1 employee or one dependent of that employee. In a recent discussion he spoke of one company where they had $15 million claim from one employeui e....in and of itself that seems obscene, but that "cost" gets realized across all the employees in that plan..and they have no government subsidies.
@dpic73 is a "humanitarian" who sees the need and benefit to cover everybody, for just about everything. And that's truly an admirable thing to support, likely something all of us would do. But at the same time, he sees the government as the provider (ACA), where increasing subsidies is the answer. And, he is partially right. But at the same time, he has to accept increased deficits and debt caused by increased government spending.
I believe I read a story where they're already are discovering thousands of folks put on ACA subsideies who are not eligible....same with Medicaid....the fraud in healthcare is rampant
Dr OZ was on some talk show yesterday talking about the elder care program where relatives care for an elderly family member and claim payments for things family members would do as a matter of course, like carrying groceries into the house.
One of the things trump will be remembered for is the war on fraud....wasn't there just a story, can't remember the program where they cut over 700,000 people off and told them that if cut off incorrectly "call this number"...only 5 people called. That's insane!
How was I able to buy insurance through the years? How were my companies able to buy insurance for employees?
I think the biggest opportunity to reduce healthcare costs is with prescription drugs. I don't see one good reason why the U.S. should pay more than people in Canada or Europe. I would make it legal for U.S. consumers to buy (and insurers to cover) drugs from approved pharmacies in Canada and Europe. I'm sure that would be challenged in the courts, especially things like where other countries have generics where the U.S. still has patent protection. I just think we could overcome that if there was bipartisan support.
But we're not going to get doctors who earn $400k in the U.S. to accept only $150k like they do in Europe. And like you say nobody want to compromise on new technologies or medical infrastructure. Healthcare is a lot like education in that nobody wants to put a price on it. I'd like to see a Simpson Bowles type bipartisan commission that would develop recommendations to lower cost. I don't know how much they could accomplish but I think it's worth a shot.
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