Toggle sidebar

Hall vs Monmouth

N

NYShoreGuy

All-Conference
Jan 7, 2006
2,692
1,258
113
Halldan said:
Clark was a stud last season for the Hall. To deny that IMO is foolish. But we offered him $2.5M (his ask to stay) and he decided to leave. I do not blame the school in any way for that.
Click to expand...
Offered 2.5 for a PG who can't score at 3 levels of half court
 
P

Piratz

All-Conference
Mar 24, 2004
1,740
3,436
113
HALL85 said:
Clark is gone. We can certainly appreciate him though for what he did for the team that will be difficult to replace. He was a given from day one and grew into the role Sha needed. He also was a huge hedge with his ball handling. He did have two many lapses where he dribbled the ball off his foot, but that was offset Ann Ha’o. He was able to break the press and maintain control of the offense, especially at the end of games. You could see how he was frustrating the other team and was able to control the tempo.

Two biggest factors:
- Can the PG by committee handle pressure and avoid turnovers?
Without a clear choice as starting PG and rotation, that’s a big concern for continuity of offense.
Click to expand...
The PG by committee stuff only works when you can run an offense that decentralizes it. That means motion and spacing. Holloway has never done that here. In fact, they’ve been woefully turnover prone and downright against outside shooting.

We had 21 turnovers at Monmouth. I mean…. What a joke.
 
  • Like
  • Haha
Reactions: shu09, Fishjam, MichiganStoleTitle and 2 others
S

ShuPirate2007

Freshman
May 1, 2018
37
52
18
Halldan said:
Clark was a stud last season for the Hall. To deny that IMO is foolish. But we offered him $2.5M (his ask to stay) and he decided to leave. I do not blame the school in any way for that.
Click to expand...

I don’t blame the school for eventually walking away from negotiations with Clark, but, to not have a backup plan in place? How does the program allegedly spend 10 million and not having a starting PG?
 
  • Like
Reactions: Fishjam, cernjSHU, MichiganStoleTitle and 1 other person
A

Anon1776442946

Redshirt
Apr 17, 2026
44
39
18
Halldan said:
Clark was a stud last season for the Hall. To deny that IMO is foolish. But we offered him $2.5M (his ask to stay) and he decided to leave. I do not blame the school in any way for that.
Click to expand...
Budd would have cost almost 33% of our budget. I agree id like to keep talent but if u dont have the money what can u do. That means less for bigs and less for shooters we desperately need. If our shooting sucks and our big men suck then people would complain why we cant pay for shooters or bigs. Either get more money or shrink the roster big time.
 
N

NIL BAD

Junior
Aug 15, 2025
434
389
63
Simpkins was good early on but once the other BE coaches had film on him, he wasn't nearly the same player. You could also tell he didn't respond well to negative reinforcement. Budd on the other hand thrived in Sha's system.

I would have ponied up & paid him.
 
PirateBlue08

PirateBlue08

All-Conference
Jul 25, 2025
1,185
1,086
113
Anon1776442946 said:
Budd would have cost almost 33% of our budget. I agree id like to keep talent but if u dont have the money what can u do. That means less for bigs and less for shooters we desperately need. If our shooting sucks and our big men suck then people would complain why we cant pay for shooters or bigs. Either get more money or shrink the roster big time.
Click to expand...
I’m thinking with Sha’s system it’s better to pay whatever you need to pay to get a legit PG, next should be a capable defensive center with height, and after that let the pieces fall where they may.

Overspending on 2,3,4 with no PG is sort of pointless unless your running an offense that spreads the floor, passes well, and is flush with shooters - all of the things we never do.
 
  • Like
Reactions: SHU Advisory
F

Fishjam

All-Conference
Mar 27, 2016
1,184
3,856
113
ShuPirate2007 said:
I don’t blame the school for eventually walking away from negotiations with Clark, but, to not have a backup plan in place? How does the program allegedly spend 10 million and not having a starting PG?
Click to expand...
This. If Budd wanted to go for highest bid that's fine, but how do you justify not paying any PG even $1M with a $10M budget? PG is like QB in football, very difficult to win without a competent one.

Sha's system does not get players open, it requires a competent PG to be able to breakdown the defense, penetrate and find the open man when the help comes.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Piratz, pirate AI, ShuPirate2007 and 2 others
H

HALL85

Heisman
Jul 5, 2001
30,512
12,007
113
Piratz said:
The PG by committee stuff only works when you can run an offense that decentralizes it. That means motion and spacing. Holloway has never done that here. In fact, they’ve been woefully turnover prone and downright against outside shooting.

We had 21 turnovers at Monmouth. I mean…. What a joke.
Click to expand...
I’m sure there’s been instances, but I can’t think of any PG by committee teams that worked and got a team to the dance. Plus, all of the players that would have PG responsibility on the roster all have vastly different styles.

somebody has to take the reins and run the team for at least 30 MPG’s. I haven’t seen the team play, but the limited information tells me that doesn’t exist.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Piratz
D

dehere23

All-Conference
Feb 28, 2015
1,984
2,296
113
HALL85 said:
I’m sure there’s been instances, but I can’t think of any PG by committee teams that worked and got a team to the dance. Plus, all of the players that would have PG responsibility on the roster all have vastly different styles.

somebody has to take the reins and run the team for at least 30 MPG’s. I haven’t seen the team play, but the limited information tells me that doesn’t exist.
Click to expand...
Feel like Uconn kind of did this two years ago when Aiden Mahaney turned out to be a portal bust. Instead of him taking the lead guard reigns backed up by Diarra and even the touted freshman Nowell, they went with a committee approach (led by Diarra).

And last year SJU did this when they didn’t land any of the portal PG targets. Darling was a defensive menace and metrics darling but certainly not the type of PG you see on a Sweet 16 or better team. They tried using Jackson there but it didn’t really work. Ultimately the pivot was developing Mitchell and Zuby into guys they could run the offense through as playmakers.

Those are two recent examples.
 
  • Like
Reactions: PirateBlue08
You must log in or register to reply here.
Seton Hall Pirates

Latest

  1. 01 Rivals 4-star PG Javion Tyndale commits to Seton Hall
  2. 02 Rivals Basketball Recruiting 4-star PG Javion Tyndale down to 6 schools
  3. 03 Women's Sports Highly-recruited 2027 prospect Ava Womack breaks down recruitment
  4. 04 Women's Sports Highly-recruited 2027 prospect Eni Oyedeji breaks down recruitment
  5. 05 On3 Basketball LMU transfer guard Rodney Brown Jr. commits to Seton Hall
Top Bottom