14 out of 32 first rounders were three star recruits with two being two star. link

RonnyAtmosphere

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14 out of 32 first rounders were three star recruits with two being two star. link

..this board will always meltdown over lack of signing 4 & 5 star recruits.


Reality-based data that tells the true story (like you have linked here) is irrelevant.
 

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14 out of 32 first rounders were three star recruits with two being two star. link

That story confirms that stars do matter.
 

ckDOG

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Obviously, simple math predicts that a good chunk of 1st round picks are going to be 3 stars or worse. The odds are with them since there are so many more. That doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.

However, I'm willing to assume those same player were never properly evaluated and, if they had been, every single one of them would have been rated a 4/5 star. Talent is talent. A good evaluator is going to see the talent in these kids if they have it. The problem with the recruiting services is that there are simply too many kids out there to get a proper evaluation on. They either are late bloomers, have grade problems, or go to school in the middle of nowhere. A lot of them get overlooked by the experts simply because there isn't enough time to get a feel for every decent prospect out there.

Basically, I don't think they suck at their jobs by missing on these guys that go pro, they just can't cover enough ground to rate everyone accurately. They are going to hit the big cities, go to the big camps, and look into recruits that the top schools in the country are courting. In the meantime, they are going to give a lot of very talented kids mediocre ratings simply because they never paid enough attention to them in the first place...
 

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the services as much as it reflects that we're talking about 17-18 year old kids. a lot of physical growth and mental maturity happens between 18 and 22. IMO the hardest thing to predict is a kid's "want to". kid pushes high school competition around and looks all world may not like getting his *** kicked by sec linemen.

we can argue about stars value all day long but at the end of the day the teams that consistently sign a boatload of 4 and 5* kids with some 3's sprinkled in are the top teams year in and year out. if you have a coach who can work the 3's up and win some, then i promise he's going to use that success to start signing more 4 and 5's. fact. no coach tells a 4* he can sign...."nah, i'm gonna take this 2* guy and 'coach him up"...</p>
 

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ckDOG said:
Obviously, simple math predicts that a good chunk of 1st round picks are going to be 3 stars or worse. The odds are with them since there are so many more. That doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.
Random out of a hat? If so your idea of 'odds' is relevant. Fact is they are selected because of their performance in college which, if stars are at least accurate on the HIGHEST rated kids, they(4-5 stars)should represent more of the first round than they do.

I'm sorry. Fact is so much evaluation goes on by a circular argument (looking at who has offered) and irrelevant samples (like only looking at film footage sent in by the school or the kid), that there is massive difficulty telling the difference from the overly hyped and truely talented.

But it certainly isnt the fault of the recruiting services. Fact is, if there is a large crowd on a street corner willing to by a turd for 5 bucks, you'll see me there shitting my life away in broad daylight until I can retire.
 

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sleepy dawg

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Taken from Tiger droppings:
<font class="PostDisplay">There are approx. 25 5 stars each year, so with 4 in the 1st round that equates to 16%.
There are approx. 300 4 stars each year, so with 13 in the first round that equates to 4%.
There are approx. 800 3 stars each year, so with 10 in the 1st round that equates to 1%.
There are approx. 2500 2 stars each year, so with 4 in the 1st round that equates to .0008.
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These stats are based on Rivals rankings, so they are 13 four stars rather than 14 here. However, the point remains the same... the more stars, the better chance there is for you to be awesome.
 

ckDOG

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we can argue about stars value all day long but at the end of the day the teams that consistently sign a boatload of 4 and 5* kids with some 3's sprinkled in are the top teams year in and year out. if you have a coach who can work the 3's up and win some, then i promise he's going to use that success to start signing more 4 and 5's. fact. no coach tells a 4* he can sign...."nah, i'm gonna take this 2* guy and 'coach him up"...[/quote

I'm not talking about the "coaching up" part. I'm just saying that the 2* and 3* guys never should have been classified as that in the first place. You are right, coaches are never going to pass on the 4* to coach up a 2*. I'm just saying that the reason the 2* ended up being a high contributor is that he was a 4* talent in the first place - he just was never labeled as such.

I'm not trying to explain away low rated recruiting class. I'm just trying to explain how there are a fair amount of low-rated high school guys drafted in the first round.
 

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In that case the high probability 5 and 4 stars are vastly outnumbered by the lesser probability 3 stars, so the odds may work out in the 3 stars favor.

Or think of it this way: 30 of ~2500 recruits will be the best after 4 years. The odds of a 5 star being one is 50%, 4 star 25%, 3 star 10%. 100 5 stars, 500 4 stars, 10000 3 stars (guessing here). That comes out to 50, 125, and 1000, so the odds of one being a 3 star is much higher, 1000/1175. It sounds wrong, but that's how Bayesian probality works. For example, for a medical test that's 99% accurate, for a disease that has an incidence in the population of 1%, the odds that a person that tests positive has the disease is 50%. Take a sample of 10000 people: 100 with disease, 9900 without, due to 1% incidence. For 100 with, 99 will test positive (99% accuracy). For the 9900 without, 99 will test false positive (99% accuracy). So 50% odds for anyone who tests as positive (50% true positive, 50% false positive).
 

jacksonreb1

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I just think its at least as much about late development and intangibles as real misevaluations
 

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I read an ESPN article that basically said no ESPN 150 were drafted, further showing how terrible ESPN is at evaluating high school talent.
 

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