Why are the best players not playing now? If Dak and Robinson are "likely upgrades" seems like they'd be playing now. Mullen is in the business of winning football games, If those guys were upgrades, they'd be starting, period
2014 Football Team Hype
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I am hoping Shumpert is that guy. If not him, Aeris Williams.
In general, I'm surprised that the state of MS hasn't produced that A-list back in recent years that it typically does. Again, I really hope it's Shumpert, because the Kailo Moores and L Perkins don't get it done by themselves. Ballard might seriously be the last one and like others have said, he's sort of that tweener and wasn't rated highly (though doesn't he start for the Colts?). Where's the Dixon/Ridley/Norwoods?
In general, I'm surprised that the state of MS hasn't produced that A-list back in recent years that it typically does. Again, I really hope it's Shumpert, because the Kailo Moores and L Perkins don't get it done by themselves. Ballard might seriously be the last one and like others have said, he's sort of that tweener and wasn't rated highly (though doesn't he start for the Colts?). Where's the Dixon/Ridley/Norwoods?
As HD6 stated, the game has changed now. While there are still elite backs (ie Lattimore, Richardson, McFadden) that play for the SEC. Many offenses today can plug in a different type of back and still be successful. Look at the NFL there are as many backs from the University of Florida on active rosters as there are each of the following schools. Abilene Christian, Middle Tennessee State, and Appalacian State. And the two backs from Florida are two smaller backs.
That's some serious spin right there. You compared a 1st yr coach choosing to redshirt a kicker, who has only 1 yr left, one yr removed from arguably the worst team in OM football history....to a 5th yr coach not playing a couple of SO (or JRs) who are better than the guys in front of them (so you say)? As they say, when things go wrong the best players are always the #2 guys
I agree that he's more of a prototypical 3rd down back perhaps at the next level, but he's a great every down back at the college level. I like to think of him as a Matt Forte back. He can go every down but he's not what you'd see in a textbook. Maybe a Pierre Thomas. In Mullen's system you have to be an above average receiving back to receive the majority of the snaps, so you can argue who's the best downhill runner all day... his hands are what got him the snaps last season. He proved how much he deserved it for his senior season with his legs between the tackles.
He's easily the most underrated player on our roster. I used to see him around campus and he's the largest human being I've ever seen muscle-wise, and he's TINY height-wise. Great combo. Like a cannonball up the middle.
Really? So, you don't find that I proved your ENTIRE statement hypocritical as **** in 5 seconds worth of thinking about your own team's situation?
"Blah, blah blah it's different -- I can't quantify -- but I'm sure going to try to keep the spin going while accusing you of doing the same".
Maybe you can answer the question of why Mullen didn't give Relf many snaps until the Egg Bowl dismantling in 2009 -- you know -- since you always play your best players and all**
When did this season happen already? All we KNOW is that a 4th yr coach played 4th yr players ahead of rsFr last year. That doesn't happen all the time around the country when the young guys turn out better** Hell, by your logic anyone that's ever a backup is automatically worse than the starter so the team, itself, should always get worse every year -- unless guys come in and start as true freshmen. Is that really what you are arguing here? Oh -- but I'm the one that's spinning**
And you have to be a 17ing idiot to NOT understand my initial point -- although your too busy spinning to attempt that anyway. The question was WHY IS THERE HYPE FOR 2014? Because in 2014, we will get BETTER production @ the QB and RB position. How do I know this?
Because we got approximately equal overall production from a mobile guy that couldn't throw a lick(Relf comparison to Russell). Now we've got a guy in that same vein that is bigger, faster, and can throw coming up next -- with what will be a much better, more physical, taller group of receivers to throw to(several of which project as true deep threats -- something Russell hasn't had).
Because we've got NOTHING but true bruiser backs coming up next -- the last time we had that, we finished 8th in the country in rush offense with a miniature QB in an offense that could hardly move the ball through the air against the toughest schedule in the country.
Whether or not you think Robinson and Dak are better right now, I really don't give a ****. The argument you are trying to spin wasn't even about "right now" -- it was about projecting the future.
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So Mullen should take the ball out of the hands of a proven veteran QB who has been the poster child of players with other SEC offers coming to MSU and waiting their turn and into the hands of a guy many of us EXPECT to have more success in the W-L columns? No. Houston Nutt would even call that crazy.
It's not that players are considered upgrades, it's a scheme thing. I don't think Dak or Robinson are better individual players than Russell or Perkins, but you play to your players' strengths and right now our best players fit a passing offense. Once their ineligible our best players align more with Mullen's coaching strengths... so 2014 is looked at as Mullen's first year of it being HIS team on offense, 100%. No excuses. His players, his offense.
I do think Mullen puts a lot of weight on seniority too, and that isn't necessarily a good thing. Every coach asked him to bench Russell against yall and Northwestern last year and he wouldn't. We likely could have been in those games without Russell's interceptions and 3 and outs.
Your post is way too long for me to take interest in, but the point is this: the best players on MSUs team are playing, period. And to think otherwise is just Elitedawgs "make me feel better about my team" spin. Will those players eventually be better? you better hope so. Are they now? nope
A lot is experience
D I think Dak can be better down the road than Russell in Mullen's system? Sure. But you don't just throw him out there and say have at it. We will see more than our fair share of Dak this year
D I think Dak can be better down the road than Russell in Mullen's system? Sure. But you don't just throw him out there and say have at it. We will see more than our fair share of Dak this year
I don't blame you for avoiding the (repeated) destruction of your ****** spin. I wouldn't actually attempt to actually defend it either -- it's too easy to rip to shreds.
Randall Mackey is a better RB than I'Tavius Mathers and Jalen Walton!!1!1 I know because he played in front of them last year!!1!1 See -- Yall are going to SUCK at that position!!1!1
You aren't obsessed with us, are you? Anyone that ALWAYS talks about spin is the one doing the spinning. Of course, 2 months ago, it was just the Elitedawgs "make me feel better about my team" spin on baseball too with a bunch of you idiots on here calling me(and others) out for NEVER wavering on how good I thought the team was and could be. Strange -- not a single one of you 17'ers came back and admitted you were wrong when WE were proven correct...
Which ELITE rebel group are you a member of? You know -- since you don't have PUBLIC message boards? Do I need to start listing them for you, so you can send in your application and GTFO?
LULZ
Tell me again how we're going to suck please...
Another insightfully hypocritical spin that fails to even follow or discuss the actual argument. Shocking? To no one.
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Well I simply can't argue with that.
But I've seen them both around campus and Perkins is definitely more intimidating. Maybe it's his shoulders? I don't know. He's like 5 feet wide. Robinson looks more "normal" if that makes sense to you.
I think Robinson is going to be good, but I think a lot of people want to look past a known All-SEC back to a guy who could potentially be better. This is a discussion that needs to be had 3 years from now.
Are you really arguing that Mullen is sitting his best players? I have no idea whether or not you'll suck next yr or not. I watched 3 of MSUs games last yr: Alabama, OM, and Northwestern. There were 2 glaring weaknesses in those games to me, Tyler Russell and the running game. Now, I'll admit, all I did was watch the games, but it was pretty easy to see. If Mullen thought he could win with the "better" players on the bench, pray tell, why wouldn't they be playing? And yes, last yr Mackey was better. We'll see if the new guys can be as productive as he was. I hope so. Redshirting our kicker was a gutsy move by Freeze, but he did have some leeway because he was a 1st yr coach; but I can honestly say beyond that I would be very upset if our best players weren't on the field this yr
Wow, this is getting ridiculous. I am pretty sure that when he projects next year's starter as a likely upgrade over this year's starter, he feels like next year's starter will end up being a better player either because he is more talented or because he is a better fit for Mullen's system. But that doesn't equate to Mullen sitting his best players. Sometimes your more talented players lack the knowledge of the playbook, experience, etc. to take on more than a limited role......and it is not much of a stretch to think that those guys can get those things shored up over the course of the next year, and wind up being better than the current starter. It really isn't that complicated, and I feel pretty certain that you would have absolutely no problem projecting an upgrade at left tackle if Tunsil was coming into his RS SO year to take over for a graduating SR.