2025 NCAA Championship Session V Thread
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Team Scoring (top 10) at the end of Session V:
Team | Season Team | Abbr | Count | Points | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | Penn State, PA | Penn State, PA (GET) | PSU | 10 | 169.0 | |
2 | Nebraska, NE | Nebraska, NE (GET) | NEB | 9 | 109.0 | |
3 | Oklahoma State, OK | Oklahoma State, OK (GET) | OKST | 9 | 94.5 | |
4 | Iowa, IA | Iowa, IA (GET) | IOWA | 9 | 77.0 | |
5 | Minnesota, MN | Minnesota, MN (GET) | MINN | 9 | 51.5 | |
6 | Cornell, NY | Cornell, NY (GET) | COR | 10 | 50.0 | |
7 | Ohio State, OH | Ohio State, OH (GET) | OHST | 10 | 47.5 | |
8 | Northern Iowa, IA | Northern Iowa, IA (GET) | UNI | 10 | 45.5 | |
9 | NC State, NC | NC State, NC (GET) | NCST | 8 | 42.5 | |
10 | Virginia Tech, VA | Virginia Tech, VA (GET) | VT | 9 | 41.0 |
The ref was really slow to react it looked like at first and then like you said had a heck of a time getting in position. It really looked like Bartlett had him dead to rights.
Is it just me or can everyone else see how his political comments are woven deeply in the fabric of his response?
Seems some of these refs can't look for the pin and count back points at same time.
Thanks for doing PBP and a lot of the other wrestling posts. It’s appreciated.
Good grief. I'm not going to let that stand unchallenged.
Refs can count back points whether or not they are swiping. When a move causes a defensive wrestler to unexpectedly, or very quickly (to the ref) be placed on their back, the refs usually hustle to get into position, and if they are certain that criteria has been met, they will start the count in their head before they even get into position.
It's drilled into refs at training, that it's best to stand further back (from the wrestlers) during wrestling, as it makes it easier to observe more of what is taking place. The down side of this approach is that they have that much more distance to move to check on near falls and pins.
I get it that everybody thinks they know more than the refs, and that from 40 yards away, or while watching on TV, they are certain that they have a better view of whether or not a pin occurs than the ref whose head is on the mat and a foot or two from shoulders. All successful refs learn to laugh about these things, especially in conversations with other refs.
As I try to remind folks, the guys reffing at NCAAs are the elite of the elite. They get evaluated constantly. They have worked up through the ranks, and have proven themselves to be really, really good. 10 years ago, you would see the same refs at the D1 finals, as there were barely enough elite refs to cover NCAAs, so they used the same ones each year. They've made a concerted effort over the last several years to work with, train, assist, etc. refs to get to that level, and now they have a good pool of elite refs from which to man the D1, D2, and D3 NCAA championships, and not use every ref that is qualified.
Might have been an interesting tournament had we not shown up.
Was watching this one closely, but from other side of arena. He was slow to get into position when it was obvious he was on his back. I thought he had it both times. I’m not faulting the ref, but I did think he hesitated. At least it doesn’t really matter as we’re either getting the record or missing it by more than a point
If our staff would have thrown the brick, could the second ref say....."yeah, I had a great view and he was decked"?
Admittedly, I am biased. Beau was looking at the ref. with the "what more do you want"..........
coaches can't throw a brick on pin calls/non-pin calls, so the hypothetical isn't valid.
however, putting that aside, the assistant ref shouldn't be looking for a pin in that situation. Their responsibility is to move away (assuming they are on the side where the shoulder area is), and focus on things that the main ref will not be looking at (time, out of bounds, illegal actions by either wrestler, etc.), while the main ref gets into position and evaluates for NF and whether a pin takes place.