21.5 points per game

[aTotal360]

For some reason, yall want to bring up convenient metrics that support your side of the argument.

How about 0 and shitsoup in the conference? Hadad hit the nail on the head in the post-game. You have to learn how to win. I'm not sure Lebby does. Dumb mistakes throughout the course of the game make me wonder. I'm not crowning the guy just because we beat freaking Arizona.

 

[onewoof]

You have to learn how to win. I'm not sure Lebby does.

Relax man. We are paying a coach $4M to slowly, slowly, slowly grow through dumb decisions that cost us the game. We finally have the talent at every position but head coach. Be patient, he will be there in 2028.

 

[aTotal360]

Relax man. We are paying a coach $4M to slowly, slowly, slowly grow through dumb decisions that cost us the game. We finally have the talent at every position but head coach. Be patient, he will be there in 2028.

2028 will be here before you know it.

 

[bulldoghair]

Passer rating

Facts are that for this system we now have, Shapen is objectively a better starting QB than any other that we have ever had in our history at MSU….except Dak. Doesn’t matter what criteria you choose, its still going to be him.

Does the stupid point less passer rating include taking sacks? No. Does it include fumbling the ball? No. Does it include the context of the offensive scheme itself? No. Does it include rushing yards and rushing touchdowns? No. Does it include situational awareness? Does it measure that dog in ya? No and No. This is stupid. I can’t believe I even fought with this phone to comment lol

 

[Rezdog]

Two of the toughest schedules in America too & Shapen missed 21 himself tonight and cost us another 3.

It is unbelievable how dumb some of our fans are. I swear most of them use Facebook as their source. The right play call was to run it. But I'm still riding with Lebby.

 

[TXDawg.sixpack]

The frustrating part about this offense compared to others we have had is that you can see with your eyes that the scheme actually works. We have an amazing scheme. Our quarterback is just not any good. An average quarterback beats Florida by 2 touchdowns today.

Don’t forget about our Swiss cheese O-Line

 

[Perd Hapley]

The quarterback sucks. I think that’s pretty well established and Lebby chose him twice and that’s on him.

If Shapen sucks, then every QB that has ever played at MSU not named Dak Prescott sucks. And that doesn’t bode well for Lebby’s future, because about 125 years of history says we aren’t going to be getting much better than him at the QB position.

 

[TXDawg.sixpack]

Ok, besides Dak, tell me what other QB in MSU’s decorated collection of excellence at that position is definitely making all those throws, or even any of them? All 3 of the “misses” were still 30-40 yard throws….not exactly automatic tosses.

The problem isn’t Shapen missing them, it’s that we rely far too heavily on those chunk plays for success. It’s not a viable strategy.

The rest of the offense sets up those chunk plays. You have to hit them when they’re there. We hit a few last night, but missed the three most critical.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Does the stupid point less passer rating include taking sacks? No. Does it include fumbling the ball? No. Does it include the context of the offensive scheme itself? No. Does it include rushing yards and rushing touchdowns? No. Does it include situational awareness? Does it measure that dog in ya? No and No. This is stupid. I can’t believe I even fought with this phone to comment lol

Thank you for proving my point. I actually agree with a lot of it.

Passer rating proves you can pass the ball, when given time to throw. That’s it.

Shapen’s profile says he is that, but not much else. Just like Will Rogers, Tyler Russell, and a mile long list of other decent but limited QB’s in MSU’s history.

If Lebby’s system only requires that out of the QB, like Leach’s did, for success, then Shapen should be having more success….but isn’t because of either bad playcalling or bad coaching or both.

If Lebby’s system actually requires a lot more than that, like an accurate passer who is also a more mobile QB who can extend plays or a bigger / more physical QB who can shed tacklers and run between the tackles, then Lebby has badly missed in the recruiting and development side for 2 years in a row.

Either way, this is a Lebby problem. Shapen is just a symptom.

 

[kired]

2028 will be here before you know it.

Don’t remind me. My oldest will be starting college that fall.

To the topic at hand… I don’t care so much about stats at this point. I just want him to win at least one SEC game. It’s impossible for me to not say fire a guy that goes 0-16. I know we say sec football was different back then, but even croom figured out how to win at least 1 sec game every year he coached. Hell, even Arnett won 1

 

[bulldoghair]

If Shapen sucks, then every QB that has ever played at MSU not named Dak Prescott sucks. And that doesn’t bode well for Lebby’s future, because about 125 years of history says we aren’t going to be getting much better than him at the QB position.

Andy Dalton has a higher passer rating than most of the hall of fame quarterbacks.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Andy Dalton has a higher passer rating than most of the hall of fame quarterbacks.

No ****. Because most Hall of Fame QB’s played in the stone ages before modern passing offenses.

What is your point? Mine is quite a simple one. A successful MSU offensive scheme has to be able to succeed with a Blake Shapen / Tyler Russell / Will Rogers caliber QB, because that’s what we’re going to have way more often than not. If it isn’t successful with those types of players, the real problem isn’t the QB.

 

[Dawg1976]

Please tell me you realize the only place the defense could go is up.

Few thought that would happen under Hutzler. Kudos to him.

 

[anon1768925248]

Don’t forget about our Swiss cheese O-Line

Our offensive line played really well yesterday. Offense had 500 yards and Shapen left 3 touchdowns and 100 more yards on the field.

 

[anon1768925248]

If Shapen sucks, then every QB that has ever played at MSU not named Dak Prescott sucks. And that doesn’t bode well for Lebby’s future, because about 125 years of history says we aren’t going to be getting much better than him at the QB position.

Well, let me let you in on a little secret. Every quarterback not named Dak Prescott has sucked throwing the football here. Including the one that threw 78 check downs to the running back every game. And most of that is because for 99.99999 % of our history we ran some sort of run first offense and did not recruit passing quarterbacks. We can recruit a competent quarterback just like everyone else does.

 

[Dawgg]

Well, to be fair, we only have 5 offensive plays:
1. Shapen throws long bomb
2. KT QB Keeper
3. Shapen hand off to RB
4. Jet Sweep that ends up in a TFL
5. Shapen gets sacked

That’s it. That’s our offensive playbook.

 

[Colonel Kang]

Scoring offense has gone from 85th in the country in 2024 to 50th this year. It's improved substantially when compared to other teams.

 

[bulldoghair]

No ****. Because most Hall of Fame QB’s played in the stone ages before modern passing offenses.

Brett Farve, John Elway, Dan Marino ect did not run the wing t. Andy 17ing Dalton is a better quarterback than all those guys according to your BS passer rating thing. You’re trolling and being silly. Good job though

 

[Perd Hapley]

Well, let me let you in on a little secret. Every quarterback not named Dak Prescott has sucked throwing the football here. Including the one that threw 78 check downs to the running back every game. And most of that is because for 99.99999 % of our history we ran some sort of run first offense and did not recruit passing quarterbacks. We can recruit a competent quarterback just like everyone else does.

Well if that’s the criteria for competence, then “Everyone else” doesn’t recruit a competent QB either. Freaking Texas doesn’t even have one, and they’re paying $3.5 - $4 million per year to a Manning. Auburn outbid us in the portal for Jackon Arnold, and their offense is worse than ours.

Acting like we just haven’t really been interested in landing a really good or elite QB and that’s our only issue is pretty comical. But even if its true, Lebby has done nothing to change that.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Brett Farve, John Elway, Dan Marino ect did not run the wing t. Andy 17ing Dalton is a better quarterback than all those guys according to your BS passer rating thing. You’re trolling and being silly. Good job though

You’re the only troll here…..bringing up NFL QB’s from 30 years ago in a discussion about MSU QB’s from the past 12 years. You have no real insight, intelligence, or solutions whatsoever, just instigating BS.

You also have no point. Are you trying to say Lebby’s system somehow doesn’t suck? Because that sure goes against everything you’ve been saying on here for months.

 

[Perd Hapley]

Scoring offense has gone from 85th in the country in 2024 to 50th this year. It's improved substantially when compared to other teams.

It really hasn’t improved very much where it matters, in P4 games.

We’ve scored 135 points against Alcorn, NIU, and USM.

Last year we scored 118 points against Toledo, UMass, and EKU. That’s a 2.4ppg increase overall just from beating up on the cream puffs a little more.

I expect that ranking to trend further toward that #85 spot than the #50 spot by the time the year is over.

 

[anon1768925248]

Well if that’s the criteria for competence, then “Everyone else” doesn’t recruit a competent QB either. Freaking Texas doesn’t even have one, and they’re paying $3.5 - $4 million per year to a Manning. Auburn outbid us in the portal for Jackon Arnold, and their offense is worse than ours.

Acting like we just haven’t really been interested in landing a really good or elite QB and that’s our only issue is pretty comical. But even if it’s true, Lebby has done nothing to change that.

Instead of going after a real quarterback we wasted 2 million dollars on Shapen and Chromosome, who will never play here. That is negligence. Lebby loves Shapen, and that is why we are here. There are 12 quarterbacks in our league that would be better than what we have, and we chose to run it back with what we had. We did not attempt to upgrade. We attempted to sign a quality backup for him.

 

[The Cooterpoot]

For some reason, yall want to bring up convenient metrics that support your side of the argument.

How about 0 and shitsoup in the conference? Hadad hit the nail on the head in the post-game. You have to learn how to win. I'm not sure Lebby does. Dumb mistakes throughout the course of the game make me wonder. I'm not crowning the guy just because we beat freaking Arizona.

When your QB leaves 21 on the field that's just not signing a good QB. Got nothing to do with the coaching when Shapen fumbles late against Tennessee and a pick late against Florida, the guy is a choker and isn't very good. Lebby should've signed a QB! Hell we don't have a back up QB that can run this show. Nothing wrong with the offense but the QB