'25 Ironman Tournament (12/12-14) thread

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165 pound Final- #2 Jayden James vs. #1 Melvin Miller (BIMC)

Period 1:
Here's a match many of us have been waiting for. The announcer just called this the biggest match of the season. Let's hope it lives up to the billing. Here we go! Circling & shoulder tapping. James reaches, but can't get there. Circling, fakes & shoulder tapping again. Miller drops to both knees & looks for an underhook, but no luck. Tying up & hand fighting now. Miller goes back to both knees & tries another underhook. James dives in on an ankle, but Miller kicks away. Out of bounds & restart. Miller goes back to the underhook from both knees, then they work back to their feet. More circling & measuring each other out to end the period. 0-0

Period 2:
Miller takes down. James tries a suck back, then works back behind. Miller tries a switch, but James blocks him off. Miller works for the escape, 1-0. James shoots a head outside high-c & gets in deep. Miller gets an ankle too, then the toe & it's stopped for PD, neutral restart, 1-min left. James inches forward. Miller goes underhook to far ankle pick for the TD, 4-0, then he cuts James, 4-1. Out of bounds & neutral restart. James presses forward. James takes a wild shot & gets to a foot, but Miller kicks free. They're both down on their knees & time expires. 4-1 Miller

Period 3:
James takes down. He works to a quadpod, then kicks free for the escape, 4-2. Circling & hand fighting. Miller goes back to the ankle pick from an underhook, but can't finish. Miller shoots, James counters & hits a fireman's for the TD, 5-4. Out of bounds & restart. Miller is still down, 1:10-left. A bit of a scramble & Miller gets the escape, 5-5. James shoots, Miller down blocks & they go out of bounds, 47-sec left. James creeps forward & takes Miller to the edge. James takes Miller out & Miller finally gets a stall warning. Neutral restart, 26-sec left. James shoots & gets a leg, but Miller fights out of it. James takes Miller to the edge & shoots, but they go out of bounds, 7-sec left. James comes forward again & time expires. 5-5

SV:
James shoots, but Miller blocks him off. Miller drives forward looking for the underhook again. James uses an overhook to hit a throw by, then comes behind for the TD & the 8-5 WIN!!! This definitely lived up to the billing. What a match!!!!

Jayden James DEC Melvin Miller 8-5 (SV)

Jayden James takes 1st Place!
Me looking forward to watching James compete at Penn State:
 

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Those two are REALLY good and REALLY fast. Going to have some epic battles if they end up at the same weight in college. If they are at different weights then everyone else needs to look out because they are both going to beat a lot of very good wrestlers. Either way they are both fun to watch.
 

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James looks like a 17 year old physically, lots of room to develop, which is something Cael looks for in a recruit. Means he isn't winning by out horsing high school kids. Think he will be at least a 174 in college.

I'd be surprised if he doesn't redshirt next year. He is younger than all the top recruits in his class and some for 27. Aside from that, PSU shouldn't need any help at his weight next year.
 

LB99

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So dumb that Melvin vs Jayden isn’t the last match. I know Bo is the most popular hs wrestler so I understand it but James vs Miller is THE match everyone wants to see
I may get grief for this, but I am just soo tired of the constant Bo hype. There are so many talented HS wrestlers out there. Flo and others are doing Bo a disservice IMO with the constant glazing of Bo.
 

LB99

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James looks like a 17 year old physically, lots of room to develop, which is something Cael looks for in a recruit. Means he isn't winning by out horsing high school kids. Think he will be at least a 174 in college.

I'd be surprised if he doesn't redshirt next year. He is younger than all the top recruits in his class and some for 27. Aside from that, PSU shouldn't need any help at his weight next year.
You have a good point. Just food for thought. Kasak and Haines were both age appropriate for their recruiting class, as well, and they both did pretty well as true freshman in the starting lineup. They also had a year of training in the NLWC and M2 under their belt prior to that, but skill/talent will still win out.
 
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OkST has got a good one in White. His athleticism is off the charts. Beautiful doubles and ankle picks. Kid is a problem. Incredible tournament. He beat Aaron Stewart, Jimmy mastny, and Betz in a row. Betz beat #1 Waters in the semis so White will most likely be ranked #1 next week
Yes, great get for DT. Nobody stopped his double, even when they knew it was coming, Kid is a 190lb version of JB.
 

LB99

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I have a question for those in the know. When Bo wrestled in PJWs as a youth, did he wrestle up in age classes? I’m curious, because my buddies nephew wrestled him in PJWs and he is now in his second year of college and Bo is still in HS, so either Bo wrestled up in age or is really pushing the PIAA age limit for eligibility.
 

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You have a good point. Just food for thought. Kasak and Haines were both age appropriate for their recruiting class, as well, and they both did pretty well as true freshman in the starting lineup. They also had a year of training in the NLWC and M2 under their belt prior to that, but skill/talent will still win out.
True, though Kasak was thrust into the lineup when Van Ness got injured.
 
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I have a question for those in the know. When Bo wrestled in PJWs as a youth, did he wrestle up in age classes? I’m curious, because my buddies nephew wrestled him in PJWs and he is now in his second year of college and Bo is still in HS, so either Bo wrestled up in age or is really pushing the PIAA age limit for eligibility.
You have to wrestle your age in PJW’s, no bumping up
 
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Is James U17 eligible for 1 more year? I think he should redshirt and Henckel should go next year. Then figure it out after that. One might be a 184 by then as well. Someone great will be on the bench
 
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Considering their Board didn't even have an Ironman thread, I am sure it won't bother them at all :cool:
HR didn't have a thread dedicated to Ironman, but Ironman was discussed in the "Todd Conner's Recruits in Action" thread. The most amusing HR themes from Ironman:
  • Plenty of malice toward Grey Burnett (and toward PSU, by association) due to Burnett winning by DQ in the "Bitegate" match.

  • Even better, several posts about Bo Bassett's age and physical maturity after Bassett dominated Iowa recruit Joe Bachmann in the 150 lb final. Of course, when Bassett was an Iowa verbal, such comments about Bassett were rudely and summarily dismissed; LOL.
 

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HR didn't have a thread dedicated to Ironman, but Ironman was discussed in the "Todd Conner's Recruits in Action" thread. The most amusing HR themes from Ironman:
  • Plenty of malice toward Grey Burnett (and toward PSU, by association) due to Burnett winning by DQ in the "Bitegate" match.

  • Even better, several posts about Bo Bassett's age and physical maturity after Bassett dominated Iowa recruit Joe Bachmann in the 150 lb final. Of course, when Bassett was an Iowa verbal, such comments about Bassett were rudely and summarily dismissed; LOL.
Bassett and Bachmann may be different ages but it isn't like kids go to Iowa knowing their development will be such that they will surpass those they have been lagging behind.
Bassett may end up surpassed by a kid who chose PSU or OkieSt, but nobody is going to Iowa and eventually catching or surpassing Bassett.
 

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So, are we to make a safe assumption that Bo is 2 grade levels behind then?
He's going to be a few months shy of 20 when he graduates high school, same thing with Melvin Miller. That's wild to me, but it isn't as uncommon today as you would think. My son is in 5th grade and barely turned 10, he has several classmates that are already 12 and they were not held back by the school. My son is a sprinter and was the city champion and placed 4th at the regional (county) finals in the 100m for his age group. When they had his informal school track meet a few months ago, I just assumed he'd smoke everybody, but he actually placed 3rd in the 100m; sure enough, the two kids who beat him were a full 2yrs older.
 

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So, are we to make a safe assumption that Bo is 2 grade levels behind then?
No.
I have no idea where the birthday cutoffs are anymore, but when I wrestled and when I was involved with coaching it was quite possible for 9th, 8th and 7th graders to compete against each other in the 13-14 year-old brackets.
 

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He's going to be a few months shy of 20 when he graduates high school, same thing with Melvin Miller. That's wild to me, but it isn't as uncommon today as you would think. My son is in 5th grade and barely turned 10, he has several classmates that are already 12 and they were not held back by the school. My son is a sprinter and was the city champion and placed 4th at the regional (county) finals in the 100m for his age group. When they had his informal school track meet a few months ago, I just assumed he'd smoke everybody, but he actually placed 3rd in the 100m; sure enough, the two kids who beat him were a full 2yrs older.
Oh I’m aware that it is common, especially with the private schools. My buddy’s son was a wrestler at a pretty high profile private HS and he was grade appropriate for his age. Going into his Jr year, they were bringing in freshman the same age as him. It’s wild and I can’t for the life of me figure why the kids would want to repeat middle school years at least once, sometimes twice. It seems like it is to appease the dads more than the kids and is something that I wish the PIAA would address along with the privates competing against the public schools for in the PIAA postseason.
 
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LB99

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No.
I have no idea where the birthday cutoffs are anymore, but when I wrestled and when I was involved with coaching it was quite possible for 9th, 8th and 7th graders to compete against each other in the 13-14 year-old brackets.
At PJWs? Or just middle school? I get it in middle school. Not PJWs. 14 yr old 9th graders aren’t the problem. 14 yr old seventh graders are the problem.
 
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Oh I’m aware that it is common, especially with the private schools. My buddy’s son was a wrestler at a pretty high profile private HS and he was grade appropriate for his age. Going into his Jr year, they were bringing in kids the same age as him. It’s wild and I can’t for the life of me figure why the kids would want to repeat middle school years at least once, sometimes twice. It seems like it is to appease the dads more than the kids and is something that I wish the PIAA would address along with the privates competing against the public schools for in the PIAA postseason.
 
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Oh I’m aware that it is common, especially with the private schools. My buddy’s son was a wrestler at a pretty high profile private HS and he was grade appropriate for his age. Going into his Jr year, they were bringing in freshman the same age as him. It’s wild and I can’t for the life of me figure why the kids would want to repeat middle school years at least once, sometimes twice. It seems like it is to appease the dads more than the kids and is something that I wish the PIAA would address along with the privates competing against the public schools for in the PIAA postseason.
can’t for the life of me figure why the kids would want to repeat middle school years at least once, sometimes twice. Well them er multiplication tables need to be learned right!
 
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At PJWs? Or just middle school? I get it in middle school. Not PJWs. 14 yr old 9th graders aren’t the problem. 14 yr old seventh graders are the problem.
Not saying anything one way or another about kids repeating grades, which to me is beyond idiotic unless done because of academic concerns.
Depending on birthdays 7th grade 13 year-olds combined with 8th grade 13 and 14 year olds and 9th grade 14 year-olds would be the general makeup of of PJW 13-14 year-old brackets.
A million years ago I turned 15 in April of 9th grade, I wrestled. Two teammates turned 15 in February and didn't wrestle. We were on two different sides of the line.
 

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"He'll fit in well at PSU" -Salty Iowa fans on Burnett

U17 world medalist and beat the highly rated Iowa recruit in a folkstyle major final?

Absolutely he will
We really have to be kind to Iowa fans. 30 years ago the wrestling world revolved around them like it does us currently. Nowadays they have been spending several million a year for their one year rentals so then can compete for that last trophy place.