27 reasons why the ACC is so good....

[dukiejay]

Good article. Below are a few Duke points listed. I wasn’t aware of the stat regarding Javin.

1. The three national leaders in scoring margin are all lodge members – Duke (27.8), North Carolina State (23.9) and Virginia Tech (23.1). Plus, Virginia (22.1) is at No. 5.

2. Duke’s fab four freshmen of Zion Williamson, RJ Barrett, Cam Reddish and Tre Jones are averaging 65.8 points and 7.3 steals a game. Duke’s opponents are averaging 63.8 and 6.6.

7. In nine of 12 games this season, Duke’s defense has produced double figures in steals or blocked shots, or both. The Blue Devils have gone six games in a row with at least 10 steals, the longest streak in 18 years.

12. Duke junior Javin DeLaurier has put up 29 shots this season. He’s missed four. He’s made his last 13 in a row.

27. And finally, Jan. 19 could be interesting. Virginia at Duke. When’s the last time you saw No. 1 playing against . . . No. 1?

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketbal...easons-why-acc-so-good-conference-play-begins

 

[df64]

Pretty cool stuff.

 

[DukeRulesBasketball]

Yet there are some goofs who think the SEC is on the ACC’s level!

 

[nets on nets on nets]

Javin is shooting 25/29 this season??? Jesus.

 

[timo0402]

Didn’t realize that about Javin either. Impressive.

 

[Mac9192]

I think it’s a little overblown about Javin being 25 for 29. Has he attempted anything other than a dunk or layup? I love his heart and hustle, but if he catches the ball other than right at basket, he’s only looking for someone to give the ball to.
The kid has been at Duke now for 3 years, has access to the gym, I’m sure, and with how the game has changed, yet he’s like a fish out of water with the ball in his hands.

 

[Quavarius]

Good article. Below are a few Duke points listed. I wasn’t aware of the stat regarding Javin.

1. The three national leaders in scoring margin are all lodge members – Duke (27.8), North Carolina State (23.9) and Virginia Tech (23.1). Plus, Virginia (22.1) is at No. 5.

2. Duke’s fab four freshmen of Zion Williamson, RJ Barrett, Cam Reddish and Tre Jones are averaging 65.8 points and 7.3 steals a game. Duke’s opponents are averaging 63.8 and 6.6.

7. In nine of 12 games this season, Duke’s defense has produced double figures in steals or blocked shots, or both. The Blue Devils have gone six games in a row with at least 10 steals, the longest streak in 18 years.

12. Duke junior Javin DeLaurier has put up 29 shots this season. He’s missed four. He’s made his last 13 in a row.

27. And finally, Jan. 19 could be interesting. Virginia at Duke. When’s the last time you saw No. 1 playing against . . . No. 1?

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketbal...easons-why-acc-so-good-conference-play-begins

Excellent! Proud of Javin!

 

[dukehokie]

I think it’s a little overblown about Javin being 25 for 29. Has he attempted anything other than a dunk or layup? I love his heart and hustle, but if he catches the ball other than right at basket, he’s only looking for someone to give the ball to.
The kid has been at Duke now for 3 years, has access to the gym, I’m sure, and with how the game has changed, yet he’s like a fish out of water with the ball in his hands.

He’s not our go to scorer or anything, but I think you’re missing the forest from the trees. What more do we want from our 7th scorer than to take and hit the shots offered to him, no matter where on the floor they may be. Anything we get from him at all is gravy.

I don’t think anyone is imploring K to get Javin more touches. I think it’s yet another stat that shows how efficient this team is as a whole within the 3 point arc.

Not overblown at all IMO.

 

[DiehardDukeFan4Life]

I think it’s a little overblown about Javin being 25 for 29. Has he attempted anything other than a dunk or layup? I love his heart and hustle, but if he catches the ball other than right at basket, he’s only looking for someone to give the ball to.
The kid has been at Duke now for 3 years, has access to the gym, I’m sure, and with how the game has changed, yet he’s like a fish out of water with the ball in his hands.

All of his shot attempts this season have been 2 point attempts except for one 3 point attempt that he took and missed against SDSU.

 

[Mac9192]

He’s not our go to scorer or anything, but I think you’re missing the forest from the trees. What more do we want from our 7th scorer than to take and hit the shots offered to him, no matter where on the floor they may be. Anything we get from him at all is gravy.

I don’t think anyone is imploring K to get Javin more touches. I think it’s yet another stat that shows how efficient this team is as a whole within the 3 point arc.

Not overblown at all IMO.

Not asking him to be a good scoring option at all. He doesn’t even look to take any shot, or to occasionally make a move with the ball. That is a problem to me, especially when he came in as a, what, 4 star? To be at a major program like Duke, and not even look to take an 8-10 footer, much less a 20 footer, in his junior season too.
K even explained to the team that in the 5 out, all who play will be expected to hit an outside shot.
Bolden hasn’t made one yet, but he’s taken a few, and Zion has only hit 3, I think.
But you can’t make it if you don’t shoot it if left wide open.

 

[hallside]

Not asking him to be a good scoring option at all. He doesn’t even look to take any shot, or to occasionally make a move with the ball. That is a problem to me, especially when he came in as a, what, 4 star? To be at a major program like Duke, and not even look to take an 8-10 footer, much less a 20 footer, in his junior season too.
K even explained to the team that in the 5 out, all who play will be expected to hit an outside shot.
Bolden hasn’t made one yet, but he’s taken a few, and Zion has only hit 3, I think.
But you can’t make it if you don’t shoot it if left wide open.

We all know Javin will never be a dependable 3-point shooter at this level. I think dukehokie is referring to the fact that he's acknowledged his role in the offense and only takes the shots he feels are no doubters. They don't need Javin or Ques to make the open three. Sure, K implored them to practice their outside shot by saying saying "everyone has to be able to make the open 3". But if they're not confident in it themselves, they are more useful setting screens and hustling for offensive boards. Defense is where their biggest impact will be made, and they know it.

 

[timo0402]

Run the floor, hustle and keep your hands ready around the rim. Know and embrace your role. Javin has done a nice job of that so far. He and Marques need to both be more consistent but both have shown moments.

 

[dukehokie]

Not asking him to be a good scoring option at all. He doesn’t even look to take any shot, or to occasionally make a move with the ball. That is a problem to me, especially when he came in as a, what, 4 star? To be at a major program like Duke, and not even look to take an 8-10 footer, much less a 20 footer, in his junior season too.
K even explained to the team that in the 5 out, all who play will be expected to hit an outside shot.
Bolden hasn’t made one yet, but he’s taken a few, and Zion has only hit 3, I think.
But you can’t make it if you don’t shoot it if left wide open.

Javin is much more important as a rebounder/defender/floor runner than he is as a make shift 3 point shooter. 4 star doesn’t always equate to offensive force. If Javin is making 86% of the shots he does take, that’s beautiful.

 

[BNM79]

Not asking him to be a good scoring option at all. He doesn’t even look to take any shot, or to occasionally make a move with the ball. That is a problem to me, especially when he came in as a, what, 4 star? To be at a major program like Duke, and not even look to take an 8-10 footer, much less a 20 footer, in his junior season too.
K even explained to the team that in the 5 out, all who play will be expected to hit an outside shot.
Bolden hasn’t made one yet, but he’s taken a few, and Zion has only hit 3, I think.
But you can’t make it if you don’t shoot it if left wide open.

Maybe he can make pretty decent moves with the ball and shoot a decent clip from midrange out to three. But he does not need to with the players he has around him.

He has improved a ton at duke. Some may not be as noticeable because he doesn’t have to do those things with

 

[hart2chesson]

No question Javin is an improved player and just when you forget about him- boom he makes a big dunk or gets a stickback. Never know, if he could develop a mid-range shot ala Lance Thomas (late senior year) , it could be icing on the cake!

#SightSetOnSix

OFC

 

[skysdad]

Javin is much more important as a rebounder/defender/floor runner than he is as a make shift 3 point shooter. 4 star doesn’t always equate to offensive force. If Javin is making 86% of the shots he does take, that’s beautiful.

That is the absolute truth. OFC

 

[skysdad]

There's been a few guys that have played for Duke that we has a board have been for the lack of a better word critical but by the time they become Jr's and Sr's start to click and become factors. OFC

 

[LouisiAaron]

We don’t need Javin shooting jumpers. Do what you do Javin.

 

[bullcity gamer]

Javin with his style of play reminds me a lot of Lance Thomas and Amile Jefferson

 

[Dattier]

I think it’s a little overblown about Javin being 25 for 29. Has he attempted anything other than a dunk or layup? I love his heart and hustle, but if he catches the ball other than right at basket, he’s only looking for someone to give the ball to.
The kid has been at Duke now for 3 years, has access to the gym, I’m sure, and with how the game has changed, yet he’s like a fish out of water with the ball in his hands.

Well, that's why it was #12 on the list. Were he facing triangle-and-two defenses focused on him every game and shooting 25-29 from beyond the arc, it would be the entire subject of multiple articles.

 

[Mac9192]

Well, that's why it was #12 on the list. Were he facing triangle-and-two defenses focused on him every game and shooting 25-29 from beyond the arc, it would be the entire subject of multiple articles.

I said 25 for 29 is overblown, when his baskets are put backs or open dunks. My opinion. I realize he is not a main option to score, and never will be. I just think that with 2 full seasons under his belt, he shouldn’t look like a fish out of water with the ball more than 5-6 feet away from the basket. Jack has made strides in his offense, from where he started at Duke, to where he is now. I don’t think Javin has. The kid is a 6-10” athlete. Doesn’t mean I don’t think he’s valuable to the team. The kid plays hard.

I also said even though Zion has only hit 3 3’s, I like seeing him willing to shoot from there, even though his strength is attacking.

 

[Showenuff]

Mac I bet you’re a hoot at parties.

 

[Mac9192]

Wow. And I bet you yell at an opera.

Happy new year Show

 

[Dattier]

I said 25 for 29 is overblown, when his baskets are put backs or open dunks. My opinion. I realize he is not a main option to score, and never will be. I just think that with 2 full seasons under his belt, he shouldn’t look like a fish out of water with the ball more than 5-6 feet away from the basket. Jack has made strides in his offense, from where he started at Duke, to where he is now. I don’t think Javin has.

You're entitled to your opinion, but you should also be able to support it in a reasonable way such that people who don't agree can respect it nonetheless. You're sure not there yet, as far as the opinion I'm just as entitled to goes, but I'll have more success validating mine...

"Overblown" would be using Javin's fg-a to argue that he should be shooting 20 times per game, or that K should've been playing him this much from the moment he stepped on campus b/c he was always capable of exactly that if only K hadn't held him back by not wanting to play enough players ever.

"Overblown" would also be writing entire articles on his fg %, as I already said.

Mentioning it as #12 on a list of 27 things about the ACC is not overblown.

Javin has gone from averaging 1.6 ppg in only 12 games as a freshman to 3.4 ppg playing in every game he dressed for behind two lottery picks as a sophomore, to 5.1 ppg in every game this season so far, taking over a starting position in the process. His minutes per game have increased each season. His offensive rebounding (2.0 per game) is an improvement over last year, which was an improvement over his freshman year. His assists are in line w/ last year, which was an improvement over his freshman year.

By what measure is this not offensive improvement? Now it's not enough to get to see in game time minutes what he's capable of that you didn't trust the coaches to figure out in practice, but he also has to demonstrate greater range on his 86% fg shooting despite your knowledge he isn't even the 4th option to score in most sets and will never be a major focal point on offense?

If he had taken about 14% fewer shots (~4 shots) and they happened to be the 4 he missed, so he was shooting 25/25 -- 100% -- from the field, would you be 16% more disgusted in him offensively?

 

[Dattier]

Oh, and before you defend your rights against no attack whatsoever, yes, you are entitled to your opinion.

 

[timo0402]

It’s lretty simple. On a team with multiple alphas and an emphasis this year to acknowledge the “role players” doing their job, Javin is doing exactly that. He’s doing the job asked of him, and he can still improve. He’s not being asked to shoot jumpers and even in the event of taking Ks comments about five out to heart, he would almost never be in position to take jumpers. Bolden ironically would have more opportunities to take jumpers based on matchups and schemes.

 

[Mac9192]

You're entitled to your opinion, but you should also be able to support it in a reasonable way such that people who don't agree can respect it nonetheless. You're sure not there yet, as far as the opinion I'm just as entitled to goes, but I'll have more success validating mine...

"Overblown" would be using Javin's fg-a to argue that he should be shooting 20 times per game, or that K should've been playing him this much from the moment he stepped on campus b/c he was always capable of exactly that if only K hadn't held him back by not wanting to play enough players ever.

"Overblown" would also be writing entire articles on his fg %, as I already said.

Mentioning it as #12 on a list of 27 things about the ACC is not overblown.

Javin has gone from averaging 1.6 ppg in only 12 games as a freshman to 3.4 ppg playing in every game he dressed for behind two lottery picks as a sophomore, to 5.1 ppg in every game this season so far, taking over a starting position in the process. His minutes per game have increased each season. His offensive rebounding (2.0 per game) is an improvement over last year, which was an improvement over his freshman year. His assists are in line w/ last year, which was an improvement over his freshman year.

By what measure is this not offensive improvement? Now it's not enough to get to see in game time minutes what he's capable of that you didn't trust the coaches to figure out in practice, but he also has to demonstrate greater range on his 86% fg shooting despite your knowledge he isn't even the 4th option to score in most sets and will never be a major focal point on offense?

If he had taken about 14% fewer shots (~4 shots) and they happened to be the 4 he missed, so he was shooting 25/25 -- 100% -- from the field, would you be 16% more disgusted in him offensively?

I’m going to keep this real simple. You take K for his word, right? I know you do, because you are quick to criticize people for criticizing K. I’m not the one who said everyone had to be able to hit an outside shot to play, K did.
Can Javin? I don’t know, because the first thing he looks to do when he catches it away from the basket is find someone else to give it to.
Let’s not get carried away on his stats either. He’s a junior at Duke, came in as a 4 star, and is a very athletic 6-10, 220lbs. Going from 1.6 as a freshman to 5.1 two years later doesn’t say too much.

 

[Dattier]

Going from 1.6 as a freshman to 5.1 two years later don’t say too much.

1.6 in a total of 12 games to 5.1 and starting 2 years later says more than enough about a guy whose role you've already acknowledged will never be primarily about scoring.

Look at what you're doing now, Mac. You are digging your heels in and doubling down on trashing one of our players. LOOK AT YOURSELLLLLLLLF.

When you say "keep it simple," you know that can mean the same thing as "keep it stupid," right?

 

[Mac9192]

1.6 in a total of 12 games to 5.1 and starting 2 years later says more than enough about a guy whose role you've already acknowledged will never be primarily about scoring.

Look at what you're doing now, Mac. You are digging your heels in and doubling down on trashing one of our players. LOOK AT YOURSELLLLLLLLF.

When you say "keep it simple," you know that can mean the same thing as "keep it stupid," right?

This is one thing I love about this board, (cough) that no one can be critical of the team, or any player. Greg Paulus is an exception.
Your eyes gloss over once anything you perceive as criticism is said, but you’re not the only one in that boat Datt.
When in reality, I’ve said I like Javin’s hustle, he’s a good teammate, but how dare I be critical of his lack of offensive ability!

Sunshine pumping is out in full force.

 

[Dattier]

This is one thing I love about this board, (cough) that no one can be critical of the team, or any player. Greg Paulus is an exception.
Your eyes gloss over once anything you perceive as criticism, but you’re not the only one in that boat Datt.
When in reality, I’ve said I like Javin’s hustle, he’s a good teammate, but how dare I be critical of his lack of offensive ability!

Sunshine pumping is out in full force.

Stop being so dramatic and disingenuous. The fact that Javin is shooting 86% from the field was mentioned. No one claimed he was a perfect player. No one said he deserved more touches. You decided to crap all over him and the board, and your criticism amounts to an ugly, negative take on all kinds of peripheral junk you made up about how comfortable he looks, all irrelevant to the one thing that was mentioned about him here, and in spite of your own bizarre acknowledgement that the very thing you are being so over-the-top negative about is never expected to be his role.

Your right to your opinion has not only not been attacked; it's been affirmed. But you're still trying to play the weak, facetious, no-one-can-be-critical card.

When a police officer pulls you over and issues you a citation for 6-7 different moving violations, your legal right to drive isn't being denied; the quality of your driving is being assessed. You are entitled to your opinion, Mac. That your opinions so routinely amount to a mountain of baby diarrhea is a completely separate issue. You're allowed to have crap opinions, but you're going to be told they are crap. Quit acting like you're a victim of anything but your own crap opinions.

 

[timo0402]

Cliches out in full force!

“Sunshine pumping”
“Can’t criticize K”
“Can’t criticize the team”

I don’t think K said you had to hit an outside shot to play. That’s putting words in the guys mouth. I remember the scene where K was telling the players on the Earn everything series, but that is taking it way to literally. They’re not out to shoot jumpers every single play. Know your role, they have openly talked about praising the role player. Meaning do what is asked of you. Javin has one role offensively- put backs and dunks. That’s it.

To your point(Mac) about him being a four star junior that cant shoot, the same could be said about Amile, Lance, Hairston, all of which are four stars or higher that were virtually the same player.

 

[bullcity gamer]

^ spot on timo on the comparisons to Thomas, Hairston, and Jefferson. Only caveats I will add is that Amile did look to drive when he had the opening. In the Sweet 16 game against Utah in 2015 for example when he had the two handed slam. Also, Hairston was not afraid to let an elbow shot fly at times as neither was Thomas. I agree that Jav’s game reminds me of Thomas, Hairston, and Jefferson’s Though. All of those guys rebounded, hustled, talked on defense, and played solid defense for Duke

 

[Mac9192]

Stop being so dramatic and disingenuous. The fact that Javin is shooting 86% from the field was mentioned. No one claimed he was a perfect player. No one said he deserved more touches. You decided to crap all over him and the board, and your criticism amounts to an ugly, negative take on all kinds of peripheral junk you made up about how comfortable he looks, all irrelevant to the one thing that was mentioned about him here, and in spite of your own bizarre acknowledgement that the very thing you are being so over-the-top negative about is never expected to be his role.

Your right to your opinion has not only not been attacked; it's been affirmed. But you're still trying to play the weak, facetious, no-one-can-be-critical card.

When a police officer pulls you over and issues you a citation for 6-7 different moving violations, your legal right to drive isn't being denied; the quality of your driving is being assessed. You are entitled to your opinion, Mac. That your opinions so routinely amount to a mountain of baby diarrhea is a completely separate issue. You're allowed to have crap opinions, but you're going to be told they are crap. Quit acting like you're a victim of anything but your own crap opinions.

You feeling ok, Datt? If I’d known Paulus was the trigger to make you so riled, I wouldn’t have brought him into the conversation. Baby diarrhea? That is a low blow, even for someone of your higher education.

I would say I’m glad to see you posting again, but I’m not gonna lie.

 

[Mac9192]

Cliches out in full force!

“Sunshine pumping”
“Can’t criticize K”
“Can’t criticize the team”

I don’t think K said you had to hit an outside shot to play. That’s putting words in the guys mouth. I remember the scene where K was telling the players on the Earn everything series, but that is taking it way to literally. They’re not out to shoot jumpers every single play. Know your role, they have openly talked about praising the role player. Meaning do what is asked of you. Javin has one role offensively- put backs and dunks. That’s it.

To your point(Mac) about him being a four star junior that cant shoot, the same could be said about Amile, Lance, Hairston, all of which are four stars or higher that were virtually the same player.

I’m not sorry for thinking Javin shouldn’t be able to do a little more offensively than he can, or that he’s shown.
I’m not impressed that he’s only missed 4 shots. Again, doesn’t mean I don’t like him or think he’s not valuable.
Nothing wrong with expecting a junior at Duke to be able to hit at least a mid range shot, or at least occasionally take one.

 

[timo0402]

I’m not sorry for thinking Javin shouldn’t be able to do a little more offensively than he can, or that he’s shown.
I’m not impressed that he’s only missed 4 shots. Again, doesn’t mean I don’t like him or think he’s not valuable.
Nothing wrong with expecting a junior at Duke to be able to hit at least a mid range shot, or at least occasionally take one.

So you had the same opinions of Amile, Lance and Josh correct? Additionally, for a guy that hates the OAD as much as you do, it’s quite ironic for you to somehow be taking offense (pun intended) to Javins lack of offense.

 

[Mac9192]

So you had the same opinions of Amile, Lance and Josh correct? Additionally, for a guy that hates the OAD as much as you do, it’s quite ironic for you to somehow be taking offense (pun intended) to Javins lack of offense.

Where have I said I hated the OAD? Where? I’ve not liked some of them, sure, but I think the reasons why are more than fair. I have admitted this team has exceeded what I thought they would be, and that I like this bunch. More than some on here will do when talking about past teams. That makes the phrase “Sunshine Pumping” true.
Out of the 17 OAD’s K has had since 2010, assuming all 4 go this season, I’ve liked 11 of them. Not what I’d call hating the OAD, is it?
That’s exactly what I’m talking about. Some of you hear some criticism about a few of them, and immediately brand that person for their view, because criticism isn’t welcomed. I think I’m more than fair to the teams. I praise, but I will criticize as well.

Yes, I would put Javin in there with Amile, Lance, and Josh. I don’t think it’s a negative to think an athletic 6-7 to 6-10 guy be able to shoot, at least a little, especially by their junior season.

 

[timo0402]

Where have I said I hated the OAD? Where? I’ve not liked some of them, sure, but I think the reasons why are more than fair. I have admitted this team has exceeded what I thought they would be, and that I like this bunch. More than some on here will do when talking about past teams. That makes the phrase “Sunshine Pumping” true.
I liked 1 OAD from last season, 2 from the 16-17 team, and I liked Ingram.
That’s exactly what I’m talking about. Some of you hear some criticism about a few of them, and immediately brand that person for their view, because criticism isn’t welcomed. I think I’m more than fair to the teams. I praise, but I will criticize as well.

Yes, I would put Javin in there with Amile, Lance, and Josh. I don’t think it’s a negative to think an athletic 6-7 to 6-10 guy be able to shoot, at least a little, especially by their junior season.

Criticizing Javin for shooting 25-29 on the season bc none are jumpers is beyond a stretch. I give you credit for standing your ground but it’s an absurd take.

 

[nets on nets on nets]

I only think 25/29 from the floor is impressive if the shots are strictly 1-on-1 selfish stepbacks that only a OAD who doesn’t care about Duke would take..

 

[Mac9192]

Criticizing Javin for shooting 25-29 on the season bc none are jumpers is beyond a stretch. I give you credit for standing your ground but it’s an absurd take.

Agree to disagree. Honestly, didn’t think it was that harsh of a comment, but guess I am wrong there.

You didn’t even acknowledge my take defending my view on the OAD. Your comment accusing me of hating the OAD was absurd.

 

[Mac9192]

I only think 25/29 from the floor is impressive if the shots are strictly 1-on-1 selfish stepbacks that only a OAD who doesn’t care about Duke would take..

You can’t be this obtuse, or maybe you can.

And yes, we’ve had some selfish OAD’s. That’s obvious, whether you admit it or not.