28-22! Are you 17ing kidding me?
- Thread starter patdog
- Start date
Welcome aboard.
I feel like we're staring at the end of Animal Farm -- only our athletics administration are the pigs.
What's really funny is how people try to reason that he should get next year "because the schedule sets up for us". Does it? You mean someone is marking that UK team down as a W on the road next year? With the way they are kicking our *** in recruiting? Hell, they ran 3 players out there TONIGHT that we chased hard, yet they closed on in ONE month on the job last recruiting cycle.
And the EMCC DL coach had that unit looking salty as hell too. Or was it just Hevesy's **** OL?
I feel like we're staring at the end of Animal Farm -- only our athletics administration are the pigs.
What's really funny is how people try to reason that he should get next year "because the schedule sets up for us". Does it? You mean someone is marking that UK team down as a W on the road next year? With the way they are kicking our *** in recruiting? Hell, they ran 3 players out there TONIGHT that we chased hard, yet they closed on in ONE month on the job last recruiting cycle.
And the EMCC DL coach had that unit looking salty as hell too. Or was it just Hevesy's **** OL?
Easy there, Mister!!!
Mullen has placed MSU into 3 straight bowls!!! I think the obvious improvement against a 1-5 Kentucky team is worth giving him at least 1 more year. Mullen was just playing possum tonight.******
Mullen has placed MSU into 3 straight bowls!!! I think the obvious improvement against a 1-5 Kentucky team is worth giving him at least 1 more year. Mullen was just playing possum tonight.******
This is the one poster on this board I'm finally glad to see come around. Pat is probably the most level headed of us all. Welcome aboard, man.
I read Ron Wolf's book a while back and in it he talked about replacing Holmgren with Ray Rhodes. They went 8-8 and fired him. Wolf was very adamant in the book that when you know it's just not working and isn't going to work you just need to make the move regardless of what everyone else thinks. He took a lot of heat for firing an African American coach after just one year when he was at least .500 but i remember watching that year and it was clear it just wasn't working out.
I've come to that point now with Dan. He's not a terrible coach - he's average at recruiting and he's probably a slightly above average offensive coach. But he's not exceptional at anything and he's below average in some key areas and I think after 5 years we know exactly what we have because what he does right he keep doing right and what he does wrong he keeps doing wrong.
So what are the odds we do worse and the program slips - 25%? Odds we do better - 25%, but the big odds are that at worst we stay about the same.
He's got to show the fanbase and admin something these next few games or it's time to have strick to tell him it's time to find a cordial exit.
I've come to that point now with Dan. He's not a terrible coach - he's average at recruiting and he's probably a slightly above average offensive coach. But he's not exceptional at anything and he's below average in some key areas and I think after 5 years we know exactly what we have because what he does right he keep doing right and what he does wrong he keeps doing wrong.
So what are the odds we do worse and the program slips - 25%? Odds we do better - 25%, but the big odds are that at worst we stay about the same.
He's got to show the fanbase and admin something these next few games or it's time to have strick to tell him it's time to find a cordial exit.
I'm starting to think
That the 'next year's schedule sets up for a winning season' type of year is the opportune time to bring in a new coach. So that they can get some wins and build momentum. Rather than keeping the old guy to see if he am hang on for dear life during that same easy year.
I'm still on the fence about the fire dan issue, although tonight has got me leaning towards one particular side. But if I was going to bring in a new coach then I would rather it be against next year's schedule as opposed to a year where we have Bama and LSU at home.
That the 'next year's schedule sets up for a winning season' type of year is the opportune time to bring in a new coach. So that they can get some wins and build momentum. Rather than keeping the old guy to see if he am hang on for dear life during that same easy year.
I'm still on the fence about the fire dan issue, although tonight has got me leaning towards one particular side. But if I was going to bring in a new coach then I would rather it be against next year's schedule as opposed to a year where we have Bama and LSU at home.
BARELY beating a BAD Ky team AFTER a Bye week....GOOD grief!!!......I was hoping the best for Dan because of his F### Bears attitude......but this is HORRIBLE!!llllll please dan......win 3 out of the remaining games and make me look something other than a fool...I wanted a blow out tonight.....btw...why wasn't Swede punting????
My biggest problem with Mullen is what I perceive as a failure to show "growth" as a head coach in a positive manner. I just see the same mistakes every single week with no change, no improvement, and slow regression.
The issues have always been there -- but we overlooked them early because he was a "new" head coach. Well, that excuse doesn't fly any more. And his failure to adapt and grow assures that he's average at best.
The issues have always been there -- but we overlooked them early because he was a "new" head coach. Well, that excuse doesn't fly any more. And his failure to adapt and grow assures that he's average at best.
As most can
attest. I've been the staunchest of supporters for Mullen. I fooledyself that he could succeed. However, I was expecting us to turn it up tonight, and not let up. We've got the athletes to do that. There's no excuse not too. Especially w a great deal of time to prepare.
Instead, we got the same old conservative "play not to lose" ********. We allowed UK to hang around.
That horseshit on the third possession, to change qbs after we were in a rythym, only up one possession, was 17 stupid.
You wanna put TR in? Fine. Just wait until we seperste ourselves. Don't throw his *** to the crocs, midstream.
17. This **** was the proof that Dan cannot make the aggressive calls to get us over the hump.
17
attest. I've been the staunchest of supporters for Mullen. I fooledyself that he could succeed. However, I was expecting us to turn it up tonight, and not let up. We've got the athletes to do that. There's no excuse not too. Especially w a great deal of time to prepare.
Instead, we got the same old conservative "play not to lose" ********. We allowed UK to hang around.
That horseshit on the third possession, to change qbs after we were in a rythym, only up one possession, was 17 stupid.
You wanna put TR in? Fine. Just wait until we seperste ourselves. Don't throw his *** to the crocs, midstream.
17. This **** was the proof that Dan cannot make the aggressive calls to get us over the hump.
17
I'd been right there with you -- until a combination of what happened in week 1 and week 3 lost me. It's just taken me another month to be 100% sure I wasn't turning into a roller coaster fan. At this point, I've dug deep enough that I see problems that go WAY beyond the product on the field. A change has to be made.
Dan Mullen has two years experience as a head coach. His first two.
He coached his first two years. We sucked and had no talent, but we fought and played hard. He started this "Relentless Effort" campaign. Our team has not played with relentless effort since the Michigan game. If you are not going to coach with relentless effort, we need someone who will. The only "Grinding" that I see is this team grinding to a stop! Count me in. "Fire Dan Mullen!"
He coached his first two years. We sucked and had no talent, but we fought and played hard. He started this "Relentless Effort" campaign. Our team has not played with relentless effort since the Michigan game. If you are not going to coach with relentless effort, we need someone who will. The only "Grinding" that I see is this team grinding to a stop! Count me in. "Fire Dan Mullen!"
Average at recruiting? Are you nuts? He is ATROCIOUS at recruiting. Go check our commitment list and compare it to the rest of the league. It's a joke. Did you notice the ESPN graphic about kentuckys 2014? Good thing we won last night, because if things stay the way they are, we may not beat them again for a while.
I'm really trying to come up with something positive to take away from last night, but I haven't been able to come up with much.
1) Our defense appears to have zero playmakers, and you're just not going to win many games in this league without forcing turnovers. The "pressure" that we put on Maxwell last night was a joke, and I can only think of roughly 3-4 snaps in which we laid a finger on him. We are damn lucky that their receivers dropped so many passes and that their QBs are about as accurate as Bell's leg
2) For you dads out there, there's a saying we all know that says that you NEVER mess with a happy baby. Well, the exact same could be said for an efficient offense as well as a kicker/punter that's doing what he's supposed to be doing. Mullen inexplicably screwed with both last night as he took Dak out after two straight TDs, and then he decided to let Bell punt because he was allegedly better in practice this week. Are you 17ing kidding me? Someone needs to send Allen Iverson over to Mullen's house for a serious heart to heart
3) Too many of the same coaching mistakes are getting made over and over again. The 4th down playcall has been been beaten to death so I won't hit on that, but what about the two times that KY ran QB sneaks to convert on 4th down? Both times, our players were looking around at each other like they had no clue what was going on and sure enough, KY easily sneaks for the first down. Coach your players Dan! Tell them how to handle that situation in practice, call a TO, do something... they looked absolutely clueless each time last night
4) Aside from Dak, CJones, and possibly Redmond, I'm really struggling to see which youngsters are going to lead this team during the next two years. You watch other teams, even kentucky, and there are bright spots all over the field. I'm not seeing that from our group. Is that a lack of talent or simply players being put in bad positions? I don't know. All I know is that I'm just not seeing it
5) Lastly and I stated this last night... I am seriously nearing the point of being ready to fire Mullen over this Devon Bell BS. The kid sucks, and it is nothing short of a miracle that he has not single-handedly lost multiple games for us to date. I feel for him, but he absolutely folds when the pressure is on and the fact that he's still trotting out there is inexcusable. Let him continue to handle kickoff duties due to his leg, but that's it.
1) Our defense appears to have zero playmakers, and you're just not going to win many games in this league without forcing turnovers. The "pressure" that we put on Maxwell last night was a joke, and I can only think of roughly 3-4 snaps in which we laid a finger on him. We are damn lucky that their receivers dropped so many passes and that their QBs are about as accurate as Bell's leg
2) For you dads out there, there's a saying we all know that says that you NEVER mess with a happy baby. Well, the exact same could be said for an efficient offense as well as a kicker/punter that's doing what he's supposed to be doing. Mullen inexplicably screwed with both last night as he took Dak out after two straight TDs, and then he decided to let Bell punt because he was allegedly better in practice this week. Are you 17ing kidding me? Someone needs to send Allen Iverson over to Mullen's house for a serious heart to heart
3) Too many of the same coaching mistakes are getting made over and over again. The 4th down playcall has been been beaten to death so I won't hit on that, but what about the two times that KY ran QB sneaks to convert on 4th down? Both times, our players were looking around at each other like they had no clue what was going on and sure enough, KY easily sneaks for the first down. Coach your players Dan! Tell them how to handle that situation in practice, call a TO, do something... they looked absolutely clueless each time last night
4) Aside from Dak, CJones, and possibly Redmond, I'm really struggling to see which youngsters are going to lead this team during the next two years. You watch other teams, even kentucky, and there are bright spots all over the field. I'm not seeing that from our group. Is that a lack of talent or simply players being put in bad positions? I don't know. All I know is that I'm just not seeing it
5) Lastly and I stated this last night... I am seriously nearing the point of being ready to fire Mullen over this Devon Bell BS. The kid sucks, and it is nothing short of a miracle that he has not single-handedly lost multiple games for us to date. I feel for him, but he absolutely folds when the pressure is on and the fact that he's still trotting out there is inexcusable. Let him continue to handle kickoff duties due to his leg, but that's it.
"Sucked and had no talent" we had like 7 NFL players. Our abundance of talent Dans first and second year masked his inability to coach. We had tremendous player leadership as well.
And the team we beat at home by 7 last night lost to Petrino by 9 at a neutral site. Hudspeth beat Petrino by 17 on the road. So, Hudspeth is 25 points better than MSU at a neutral site. Not saying ULL would beat us by 25 -- but facts are facts**
A win over a 2-10 (most likely) team at home should be a given. Not a positive. The fact we've struggled mightily to beat a lot of average to below average teams the past year and a half is very troubling. In Mullen's first 2 years at MSU, he beat 3 BCS teams that finished with winning records. He hasn't beat one since.
As a fan of the team, if you're one of the ones in the "winning is winning" crowd, then by all means... carry on. I just pray that our coaches don't have the same mindset because in spite of the win last night, there was a whole lot that needs to be fixed. If it doesn't get fixed and I have no reason at this point to believe that it will, then this team is going to have a hard time ever being better than beating out cupcake non-conference foes and a couple of the SEC bottom feeders every year. Kentucky played poorly enough yesterday for State to win by 20+, and it was our own team and coaches that prevented that from happening.
Listen I'm not happy with a lot of the play calling, lack of enthusiasm, second half woes, ... but I will take a win every day of the week. Some of you make me wonder just exactly how long you've been State fans? I've been following State and going to games for about 25 years and I've seen my fair share of teams where there were no wins that were a given. That was the great thing about Jackie, we could actually feel like we had a chance in just about every game we played in. Looking at history, most of the time pre-Jackie State never had a shot to win.
I want to see State be a much better team just like the rest of you and I in no way believe we should ever settle for mediocrity, but with our history I'm also not going to complain when we win. Maybe many of you don't remember just a few short years ago when we lost to Maine in Starkville. If your going to be a true State fan you have to be honest with yourself and realize that there are very seldom any teams, no matter the record, that are simply a given win for us. Sucks, but it just the truth.
Another quote of "woe is us". Look at our history. We should be satisfied. Great thing about Jackie when we had a chance to win in just about every game we played in? Don't suppose you were around in the last 3 years of his tenure. We sucked big time, probably even as much, or as more, than under Croom. Remember when Florida beat us 52-0. No, I don't buy the theory that we can't be a big time program at State. We just need the right Coach to recruit and bring in the right type athletes.
Last edited:
By your figuring, we have a 25% chance of doing worse with a new hire, a 50% chance of staying about the same, and a 25% chance of improving. If the most likely result is the status quo, and the chance of improvement is equal to the chance of doing worse, why would you make the change? You would at least want the chances of improving to be greater than the chances of getting worse. Your numbers support keeping him.
Byes are overrated....
I don't know about college, but in the NFL, teams coming off of a bye win approximately 54% of the time. There is enough data that the 4% increase can probably be attributed to a very marginal advantage rather than just chance, so you do have a very slight advantage coming off of a bye.
I don't know about college, but in the NFL, teams coming off of a bye win approximately 54% of the time. There is enough data that the 4% increase can probably be attributed to a very marginal advantage rather than just chance, so you do have a very slight advantage coming off of a bye.
Under Jackie, there were also off years scattered in with the good years. We went 7-5 his first two years with some good wins then went 4-5-2, 8-4, 5-6, and 7-4 before going on his best stretch from 1998-2000.
That's true, and it made it exciting. But can you honestly say that's the case today? Because I gotta say that there are a lot of games these days where I feel like we have NO CHANCE. That includes the next 3 games (yes, S. Carolina too), and honestly if I were wagering right now I'd pick us to lose the last 2 as well.
I think we've got a pretty good shot in Little Rock. Other than that, I agree.
Mullen is coaching us down to barely beating bad teams nowadays. How are we supposed to beat an average-to-good team that is extremely well coached?
If you put us in the exact same situation as the last 2 against South Carolina with a lead, we will lose to Spurrier 8-9 times out of 10...
Last edited:
Oh yea, I most certainly remember the 52-0 game against Florida. In fact I can tell that was one loooooooooooooooong ride home after the game. It felt more like we were driving home from Alaska than Gainesville. That game is the reason I will never like Spurrier. Late 4th quarter with a huge lead and that bum was still throwing haymakers to the endzone. I know he ran the score up on a lot of teams but that was totally bs and basically he was pitching a grown ups fit. Crying because we had kicked their tails in Starkville. The whole way back to the car people were chanting "who shut the dogs out" at us.
I also remember all to well the last 3 years under Jackie, but without him we would be sitting there with Ole Miss as the only teams not to win the west. If you win the SEC West at MSU then a long rope is warranted.
As far as the "woe is us" comment, I don't feel like I implied that anywhere in my post. You do realize we lost to a Kentucky the year we won the west in 98 right? Kentucky finished 7-5 that year. You also realize in 99 when we went 10-2 with one of the best teams to ever take the field at State we barely slipped by Kentucky in Starkville by a score of 23 to 22, right? Kentucky went 6-6 that year.
There is no "woe is us" attitude here, only telling the cold truth. To be calling for a coaching change after a victory against Kentucky which put our overall record at 4-3 on the season is plain stupid.
If you honestly feel that we have no chance against South Carolina then I honestly feel you haven't been paying attention. In fact we have a decent chance in all of our remaining games excluding Alabama. Not saying that because I think our team a good or even better than they've been playing, more so because South Carolina and aTm are not that good either. Arkansas sucks and their season will be over by then, and I don't believe we will lose to Ole Miss in Starkville.
You can go ahead and call me a dumb *** or idiot or whatever else you want to, but 4 of these last 5 games are mose definetly winnable games for this State team. I'll come take my beating if I'm wrong, but these games will be competitive games that will come down to 1 or 2 plays late in the game.
I'll also go ahead and make this prediction also. If we come out of Columbia with a W, State will be 7-4 headed in to the Egg Bowl. I'll eat my crow if I'm wrong, so be willing to eat a little yourself if your wrong.