Nick John and Don wouldn’t have thrown for….checks TD stats and yards
Like it or not will rogers is in the top 5 in every positive category for a qb except rushing
2nd Best Mississippi State QB
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Like it or not will rogers is in the top 5 in every positive category for a qb except rushing
It's of course been a long time, but I remember Madkin starting many games and Wyatt coming in during the final minutes to bail him out. That comeback at Auburn comes to mind. The only game I remember Madkin dominating was the first BYU game in Provo.
Did we really make it to the second page without a mention of Rocky Felker?
Sonny Fisher should be mentioned. As he was the last two way player at the quarterback position for us. He led the SEC in interceptions from the safety position one year. Even Dak nor myself can say or touch that.
Yeah I messed that up and it wouldn't let me edit to remove one of the "others". Anybody who mentions Jackie or likes a post where he is mentioned can count as a vote for him
That 2018 season was very frustrating to watch. Moorhead was trying to implement a complex offense when the basic RPO plays we were doing with Nick and Aeris in 17 worked so well
Not only did he lead us that year from both sides of the ball that year in 63’, he lead us to a 7-2-2 record and a Liberty Bowl win in Pennsylvania. That was the first bowl game appearance in 23 years year at that time, since 1940.
So I change my vote:
#1 Sonny Fisher
#2 tie- Me and Dak
That was pretty much the story of 1999. Wyatt bailed us out multiple times.
For those like me who aren't old enough to remember Jackie Parker, and, unlike me, haven't looked at our football history, Jackie Parker was a two time 1st team all SEC quarterback, like Dak. Unlike Dak was also a 1st team ALL AMERICAN quarterback in 1953. That is hands down the most decorated QB in our history.
If we had a slightly above average qb the year we went to Atlanta we might have won a natty.
John Bond fumbled inside the red zone when we were driving for the winning touchdown against Georgia. Lost the game. At least we won the game Rogers fumbled the ball in.
Not taking anything away from Parker, but him being a 1st team All-American while Dak was not does not really mean anything in regards to how much each contributed to MSU. That award has a lot more to do with how good all the other QB’s in the country were at that time, in those specific years.
They also had careers that were over 60 years apart. I bet there’s not a soul on planet earth that saw both of them play at a phase in their life when they were reasonably qualified to assess their ability enough to say which one was better at MSU.
Who was better overall for their entire career though? Not even up for debate.
Dude, we didn’t even finish that season ranked….
- We lost to UK because Hazelwood missed a chip shot FG and, I think, an extra point. Offense played well.
- Lost to Oklahoma State and LSU due to not even getting off the bus (and giving up 40+) in both games. Madkin had nothing to do with that.
Ultimately, we went to Atlanta that year on the heels of not having to play UF, UT, or UGA, playing historically weak Auburn and Alabama teams, and getting a little bit lucky that Romero Miller was injured for the Egg Bowl - although we still won that one pretty convoncingly.
First team all American….how many those have we had at any position? Parker and Dak are the only two in this conversation.
Y’all have to define “best”. The reason Dak is indisputably first is because he’s an NFL guy. Which we and Mullen helped of course. Bottom line is we’ve had no one like that so how do you judge? These guys all had different talent around them.
I think John Bond is likely 2nd, just going by who you want based on mediocre talent. Fitz and Smith are there too. Jackie Parker though a different era. Noodle Arm too.
Impossible question. All of them eventually got booed.
I think John Bond is likely 2nd, just going by who you want based on mediocre talent. Fitz and Smith are there too. Jackie Parker though a different era. Noodle Arm too.
Impossible question. All of them eventually got booed.
It's a no brainer, for those that are not aware of his skills (meaning you're too young), go watch some Don Smith highlights, specifically the UT game,
He ended up a RB in the NFL, no comparisons.
He ended up a RB in the NFL, no comparisons.
ahh yes, I said Rockey Felker but yes Jackie, my dad was in school then and played cards with him.
I was too young to pay attention back then, what exactly happened at the end of Emory's tenure? Had Smith starting in 1984 and 1985, but just couldn't win any SEC games down the stretch it seems.
Except there is no conversation.
Just like there is no conversation about who was better between Ty Cobb and Mike Trout.
The game itself was far different, there was shít for stats to go off of for any football players in that era, and the number of relevant teams is far different.
I'm not a Rogers hater, I think he was good for Leach's system and that a lack of a real deep threat outside receiver was a bigger part of his struggles than his arm strength, but he has tons of attempts/completions/yards that are essentially just extended handoffs. You have swing passes, screens, shovel passes, etc. in every offense to one extent or another, but Leach's air raid still makes it hard to compare QBs using stats.
Madkin and Wyatt are about as far back as I can offer an opinion on, but I would go with Fitzgerald out of the rest. So much is dependent on coaching, system, and surrounding talent though. I think if Fitzgerald had had another year of Mullen, he could have looked like a faster version of Chris Relf when Relf played Michigan in the Gator bowl. That would be pretty close to Dak his Jr year if not his senior year.
If you give me an offense that doesn't rely on a QB run and tell me to draft a QB from that list, I think I might take Tyler Russel (again, out of the modern ones; not sure about the older ones). I'm not sure Madkin ever got great QB coaching. I think as a Freshman he was probably close to early Jr. season Chris Relf, but didn't seem to continue improving to the exent Relf did. And of course we'll never know if Fant or Conner could have been anything because of lack of supporting talent and/or coaching.
A faster Chris Relf? Hell he might have been an All-American.
Mullen leaving that team might be one of the most depressing things in the entire shltty history of MSU football. Not only did he leave that team, he checked out and didn't prepare the team for the Egg Bowl and we're left with a broken leg, an Egg Bowl loss and missed the chance to play Notre freaking Dame in the Citrus Bowl back when bowls were still on the verge of meaning something. Think of the momentum we'd have had headed into 2018.
And no telling what he'd have done with that JUCO WR from LA too, can't remember his name.