No. Montini beat MC late in the season and then PR destroyed the Broncos.
2nd Best Team Overall in State = Prairie Ridge
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Fair enough. So if ESL is arguably the best defense in the state, everyone else's can only be "good" then. Got it...
Of course Their can be multiple "great" D's
. I just haven't seen many that fit my definition of "great" D this yearBut yes - my belief/supposition whatever you want to all it - is that ESL is one of the top defenses in the state. They are a little susceptible to a team that has a good/great passing game,and with multiple guys playing both ways without a rotation - they get a little gassed up front in the 4th quarters of games- but not much else to try and exploit on that D (in my opinion)
Edit - and hence why I think a PR vs ESL match up would be such a fantastic and intriguing matchup!!
I don't know what would happen??
* could ESL shut down PR Run game?
* could PR D shut down ESL passing game?
* what happens in the 4th quarter with the two way guys with no Dline rotation? Does PR storm back and get into the game, or do they have too big a hill to climb, or are they putting the game out of reach?
Think that match up would have been the best game of the weekend.
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You broke into StonedLizards private stash, I can smell it all the way from my phone.
You guys said I was "out there"...you thought I was "high"? Someone can't handle their sh** when they get into the goods.
I may be in the minority here but I thought PR was the best team regardless of class. They had a very good defense that shut down a dynamic offense and if you blew one assignment against them while on defense they exploited it.
The was the best option team I've seen at the high school level tough QB and running backs but the reality is the O line was outstanding.
The was the best option team I've seen at the high school level tough QB and running backs but the reality is the O line was outstanding.
I don't know. I would have liked to have seen how they execute against a big physical D like LA's or a fast physical D like East Side's. I definitely like a great option offense, others that come to mind: Antwan Randle El's at TT, MC's 2005 offense, The Beloved's in 2012 before Bailey got hurt... That said I loved the hardnosed mentality of this team. They just beat people up like a throwback to the good ol days.
I would have given anything if the brackets sent East St. Louis to play Montini in the 2nd round of the 6A state playoffs instead of Prairie Ridge.
Heck the Broncos likely would have been playing SHG today.
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Montini's Class of 2017 football team already beat this East St. Louis team their sophomore year by a score of 22-6.
Wassup
Heck the Broncos likely would have been playing SHG today.
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Montini's Class of 2017 football team already beat this East St. Louis team their sophomore year by a score of 22-6.
Wassup
Those were Freshman and Montini sophomore never played 3/4 of the starters for ESL 2016 state champs team. The only players that played Montini sophomores was 75, 70 on offense and 55, 9 on defense
What? It's straight from the Montini website
2014
Var
Montini 48 East St Louis 32
Soph
Montini 22 East St. Louis 6
I know I was at least at the varsity game.
I am sure you understand my post. MOST of the kids that played last night never played Montini's sophomore team.
Ok got it. I know we had sophs on varsity also but can't remember that far back. Likely West, Walker, Spivak, etc.
On East St. Louis varsity roster in 2014 do you know the breakdown as the number of Seniors, Juniors and Sophs??
On East St. Louis varsity roster in 2014 do you know the breakdown as the number of Seniors, Juniors and Sophs??
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The point is this team that won state never played Montini in a sophomore game so that comparison can't be used.
The point is this team that won state never played Montini in a sophomore game so that comparison can't be used.
Never mind I found the program from 2014
Flyers had 66 players on varsity, 13 were sophomores
Montini had 52 players on varsity, 4 were sophomores
Flyers had 66 players on varsity, 13 were sophomores
Montini had 52 players on varsity, 4 were sophomores
There were only 13 seniors on this team and two transferred in this year and last year.
In 2015, Montini varsity and sophs beat ESL in both games. Montini's 4 losses this year were to 2 state champs in 6A and 8A. Fenwick (another loss) which some felt should have been in the title game instead of PN. I felt and stated so earlier this year that Fenwick could have beat ESL but now we will never know. BR (our 4th loss) unexplainably lost in the first round but had a terrific offense and until late in the season were undefeated when they lost their last games. BR definitely underplayed their talent level late in the season. Hence, Wassup13, is not that far off in his comments on the forum.
You sound like a guy trying to pump up his team all while predicting negative results of others. Yes Montini won both games in 2015 but obviously you weren't at the game or you are just a homer. That varsity game went down to the last possession and that was the best Montini defense I saw between all three years. 2013 had bigger names but 2015 defense was pretty darn good.
Now about ESL, those kids weren't losing to NO ONE this year period. Sometimes you just have motivated kids and this group was definitely motivated.
Well one thing we might all agree on is there would not be all these questions if we were back to 6 classes (True 1-32 seeding).
I am a homer for Montini and definitely don't apologize for it. But I wasn't trying to take away anything from ESL. They won the State championship and I am glad for the players of ESL and their families. I definitely did not say negative things about other teams or players since I joined the blog this year. And I was at the games in games in ESL last year. I respect your opinion but don't share it as far as the Varsity game went. The soph game won by Montini last year wasn't even close. That said, my intent of the previous blog was to show that Wasup13 who was being ridiculed for his comments about Montini were uncalled for if you look at the whole picture of our season this year. Our team, coaches and players have nothing to be ashamed of this season. PR was a great team this year and deserves their State Championship. IMO PR has the player of the year in Samson Evans in Illinois high school football. He was by far the best athlete I have seen since watching high school football for a long while. I say this as a homer for Montini and proud of it.
Wassup wasn't being ridiculed for anything. I simply told him that Montini sophomores NEVER played 80% of the seniors that just won state for ESL. That being said, referencing the scores from the Sophmore games were irrelevant Period. Now if there are other reason why you feel differently, I respect your opinion.
Two different players in two different positions, with different skill sets,but as the QB who on most teams is the leader of the team, I would definitely go with Evans over Thomas. Taking nothing away from Thomas as he is a great athlete but so is Smalling from BR. Quite frankly those three players were the best I seen this year. Evans won a lot of games by himself running the ball. Again he had a outstanding offense line to run behind, but he even ran back kickoffs all the way this season. So yes over all I would say he was the best player this year in IHSA.
I didn't say you ridiculed Wassup but there were several comments earlier which led me to make my comments. I now understand what you were trying to say and obviously with 80% of new senior players that Montini senior never faced that makes a huge difference in any outcome of a game between the two. As far as the soph games being irrelevant, didn't some sophs who are now juniors play and start for ESL? If so, it would be relevant
IMO.
I think the key here is the actual verbiage that we are using. Personally I feel that Samson was the best "football player" in the State this year. Every team that faced PR schemed to take Samson out and none were able. Keep in mind that Samson did not simply run by you....he usually ran through you. He also was on the field for punt and KO returns. He did have some impressive stats and a boatload of TD's but realize that a Freshman QB replaced him at halftime in 3 of the 4 play-off games leading up to the State Final. Can you imagine the numbers if he continued to play?! Coach Schremp has done a great job in establishing a wonderful feeder program with the Jr. Wolves which has allowed the ability to "plug-in" some Freshman and Sophomores during this play-off run to provide incredible experience for these young men.
Yes 4 that I listed in an earlier post. The rest have been playing against Montini varsity the past couple of years .
More impact in any given game. He touches the ball on every offensive play. Better athlete? Maybe not.
I agree to extent about touching the ball every play, but so does a catcher in baseball ... Yadi for MVP!
But the attention Jeff demands - you put one DB on him it's over. So he occupies two guys. That means zone for the others or man to man.
Now, what's that do to your pass rush?
But the attention Jeff demands - you put one DB on him it's over. So he occupies two guys. That means zone for the others or man to man.
Now, what's that do to your pass rush?
Thought the IHSA rule book specifically states schools are not to designate "feeder programs". Please advise if this is not the case.
PrairieRidgeFB winds up as MaxPreps' No. 1 team in Illinois after taking 6A state title. No. 40 in the nation.
1.Prairie Ridge
2. Loyola
3. East St Louis
4. Maine South
5. Palatine
6. IC
1.Prairie Ridge
2. Loyola
3. East St Louis
4. Maine South
5. Palatine
6. IC
Massey computer ratings has the same top three in the same order. Then has IC Catholic fourth, Maine South fifth, and Palatine sixth.
Personally mine would be ....
1. Maine South
2. Loyola
3. Prairie Ridge (bumped down to 3 with MS beating Loyola)
4. East St. Louis
I also give Fenwick a trophy as a 9th State Champ since we all know they ended their season with a win. This is the ONLY year I give a 9th state championship. (I'm not talking the IHSA giving them a trophy, just me personally)
1. Maine South
2. Loyola
3. Prairie Ridge (bumped down to 3 with MS beating Loyola)
4. East St. Louis
I also give Fenwick a trophy as a 9th State Champ since we all know they ended their season with a win. This is the ONLY year I give a 9th state championship. (I'm not talking the IHSA giving them a trophy, just me personally)