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3rd and 9 play on game winning drive for Mich. St.

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i think I would have had to send the house on that one. The only time they really stopped Cook and the Spartans passing game was when they really got after him. They sent Gause but I think I would have gone all out. You get the ball back there and I think you win the game. Had all the momentum
and a stop there would have added to it.
 
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I dont think it Would have mattered - Cook got the pass off quickly. I still cant understand why our Dbs dont look for the ball on man on man coverage.
 
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RUBound said:
I dont think it Would have mattered - Cook got the pass off quickly. I still cant understand why our Dbs dont look for the ball on man on man coverage.
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They are coached to watch the receiver the whole time. We're not the only team in CFB that does that. I often wonder why team's do it that way. I guess that it's because when DBs turn to look for the ball, WRs can change direction. But I always thought there must be some point at which it's safe to turn and look for the ball.

I need to re-watch the game on DVR, but I thought our secondary looked much improved tonight. On the bright side, I mean.
 
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mildone said:
They are coached to watch the receiver the whole time. We're not the only team in CFB that does that. I often wonder why team's do it that way. I guess that it's because when DBs turn to look for the ball, WRs can change direction. But I always thought there must be some point at which it's safe to turn and look for the ball.

I need to re-watch the game on DVR, but I thought our secondary looked much improved tonight. On the bright side, I mean.
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Not many teams that actually defend the pass with any effectiveness do it that way.
 
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I understand that the db's are doing what they're told, but getting your head turned around and actually seeing the ball is a more effective way to defend imo.
 
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LotusAggressor said:
Not many teams that actually defend the pass with any effectiveness do it that way.
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You could be right, I don't know. But Schiano put a bunch of DBs into the NFL and they were coached to watch the WR. I hate it personally, but I'm not a D1 FB coach, so what do I know.
 
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BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap said:
I understand that the db's are doing what they're told, but getting your head turned around and actually seeing the ball is a more effective way to defend imo.
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I think it can lead to more interceptions. But it can also lead to more interference calls and more catches that go for TDs. Still, I hate when I see an easy INT missed because our DBs don't look back.
 
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mildone said:
You could be right, I don't know. But Schiano put a bunch of DBs into the NFL and they were coached to watch the WR. I hate it personally, but I'm not a D1 FB coach, so what do I know.
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This, Schiano coached the same way. Thought Hester played very well tonight, glad he came back.
 
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Caliknight said:
Their wr's were making plays all game. We need one more Carroo.
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That is my beef with Laviano. If you noticed, many of those big completions was Cook putting it up high to well covered receivers and allowing them to make a play. Patton and Agudosi are certainly capable of that but Laviano will only throw it to you if you are wide open, unless your name is Caroo
 
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that play was the ball game.... I feel fairly confident that if that 3rd and 9 fell incomplete, we would have won....barring a fumble
on the next play punt.....we drive down for at least at last minute field goal, or the td...
 
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mildone said:
You could be right, I don't know. But Schiano put a bunch of DBs into the NFL and they were coached to watch the WR. I hate it personally, but I'm not a D1 FB coach, so what do I know.
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it looks to me that the DBs we send to the NFL look back for the ball more as a pro than they did with RU.... the pros recognize the
talent of our DBs and when they are pros they are re-taught to look sooner.
 
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RUforJERSEY said:
i think I would have had to send the house on that one. The only time they really stopped Cook and the Spartans passing game was when they really got after him. They sent Gause but I think I would have gone all out. You get the ball back there and I think you win the game. Had all the momentum
and a stop there would have added to it.
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From what i saw...think we were in man cover one, and I don't remember if it was three receivers and we sent two or was it four receiver and we sent one

Either way...we dialed up and just did not get there .

Can't fault Rossi on that
 
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On the third down play in ru's final fg the msu DB didn't look back but he stuck his arm out when carroo looked back. Difference was cl put the ball to low. Cook put the ball high where only the wr could get in.
 
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RobertG said:
On the third down play in ru's final fg the msu DB didn't look back but he stuck his arm out when carroo looked back. Difference was cl put the ball to low. Cook put the ball high where only the wr could get in.
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There was a blatant hold on one of the defenders on that pass play. It was way more evident than one that was called on RU earlier. It could NOT be missed. Jeeze, he had his arm wrapped completely around the defender and with a tight grip and it was NOT in the crowd but to the outside where the QB was.
 
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wheezer said:
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it looks to me that the DBs we send to the NFL look back for the ball more as a pro than they did with RU.... the pros recognize the
talent of our DBs and when they are pros they are re-taught to look sooner.
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I think you're correct. Certainly the NFL DBs look back at various points during the plays. I also recall that, as upperclassmen, some of the RU DBs would turn and look sometimes. Was never quite sure if it was something they did despite having been told not to, or if they were given a bit more more freedom as they got more experience.
 
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RobertG said:
On the third down play in ru's final fg the msu DB didn't look back but he stuck his arm out when carroo looked back. Difference was cl put the ball to low. Cook put the ball high where only the wr could get in.
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The incomplete pass to Caroo at 4:30 of the 4th quarter was the turning point IMO. Caroo had the ball for a TD but the MSU defender slapped it out of his hands and we settle for FG at the end of a 16 play 91 yard drive. A TD there puts us up 28-24 and puts additional pressure on MSU instead of the game being tied at 24 all.
 
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mildone said:
I think you're correct. Certainly the NFL DBs look back at various points during the plays. I also recall that, as upperclassmen, some of the RU DBs would turn and look sometimes. Was never quite sure if it was something they did despite having been told not to, or if they were given a bit more more freedom as they got more experience.
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Rules are more lenient on college. Every college team teaches kids to cover that way. There is a reason CB is on you the highest paid positions in the NFL.......it's hard.
 
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As a defender with your back to the ball, you have no idea when the ball is coming. If you decide to look back at the wrong time, you are toast. Your receiver is now wide open.

It is also an indication that the receivers are running great routes when hey are decoys. The defensive backs have even less of an idea when or if the ball is going to be coming. A great receiver has to maintain exactly the same attitude on every pattern.
 
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mildone said:
You could be right, I don't know. But Schiano put a bunch of DBs into the NFL and they were coached to watch the WR. I hate it personally, but I'm not a D1 FB coach, so what do I know.
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They don't play like that in the NFL. None of the DBs in the NFL that are any good do.
 
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Our DB was in perfect position. Unfortunately this happens maybe 5 times last night. Our DB is in perfect position and can't locate the ball and make a play on the ball. Yet when their DB has the same strategy with Caroo, Caroo drops the ball. They made the plays we didn't. It's not anymore complicated than that.
 
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