This is honestly ridiculous. I would bet it is rife with fraud. I had no idea it was that prevalent. Reform SNAP!
@scotchtiger
@scotchtiger
40 Million Americans Receive SNAP Benefits To Help With Food - Many Not American Citizens
- Thread starter fatpiggy
- Start date
Average per person is $177 per month. Good with reasonable amount of reform to prevent fraud, but still feel relevant. Drop in the bucket compared to the PPP Loan Forgiveness fraud for example.
I want the program to help the people that actually need help. But for some reason, 40 million which is almost 15% of the population, seems like an extremely high amount.
I hear ya, and it seems high to me too FTR (on people count). But I honestly don't know enough about it. Don't know how many of those are children, etc.
These people are also disproportionately represented on additional social welfare programs. Increasing their overall burden further. This is a serious problem. You cannot be a lifetime non-contributor which seems to be what we have here.
please let the shut down continue. pretty please.
could dems be this stupid? one can hope!
could dems be this stupid? one can hope!
You’d be surprised how many hard working Americans are barely making ends meet and rely on these programs just to survive
This doesn’t seem like a difficult fix:
— Work requirements (or school, volunteering, caring for dependent family member)
— Only US Citizens are eligible for social welfare programs
— Immigrants must wait 10 years after becoming a citizen to receive social welfare benefits
— Anyone convicted of fraud related to any social welfare programs - including falsifying eligibility information or selling food stamps - is banned for life from receiving social welfare benefits (I would be open to a 5 year penalty and then life on strike 2)
— Removal of things like soda, candy, etc from SNAP eligibility
Boom. Most of the problem is solved.
— Work requirements (or school, volunteering, caring for dependent family member)
— Only US Citizens are eligible for social welfare programs
— Immigrants must wait 10 years after becoming a citizen to receive social welfare benefits
— Anyone convicted of fraud related to any social welfare programs - including falsifying eligibility information or selling food stamps - is banned for life from receiving social welfare benefits (I would be open to a 5 year penalty and then life on strike 2)
— Removal of things like soda, candy, etc from SNAP eligibility
Boom. Most of the problem is solved.
@fatpiggy you should change the title. Americans pay for 40+ million to be on welfare bc 60% of the people on SNAP aren’t even Americans. This has to stop. This is verified data. I don’t ever wanna hear about how immigrants are hard working and do jobs Americans will not. That’s a flat out lie. The left needed voters, their policies are trash so the import them.
US citizens only is right. These liars on here were telling everyone that illegals don’t vote, don’t get benefits, etc they just pay taxes. Well I think the immigration debate is over. Per our governments own numbers, 60% of welfare recipients ARE NOT citizens. That’s treason imo. We’ve been robbing our middle class blind with over taxing and paying for third world immigrants to come leech off of them. We are actively importing people that cannot and will not contribute. This was done for votes only, liberals would rather destroy the very nation than pivot on most of their horrible policies and positions. This is going to end badly.
Last edited:
Tend to think a citizen is a citizen for the one, unless you're rich it isn't easy, so disagree with that one, and on the fraud, I would fully support that provided there is reasonableness built in (an old lady who's husband died and received like 2 extra checks and didn't even think about it after her husbands passing, is different from someone getting paid for years and like recertifying or something, or people fraudulently signing people up, etc; and fully on board with making the penalty for extremer cases even more). Also wish there were some way to tie the benefits to the specific person so they can't be sold. Whether snap cards should have a picture on them, or something, idk. Also would support making it reasonably healthier. I say reasonably because on some things like soda/candy, there are always some sort of other option. But food deserts are real, so its tough taking that too far where they can't get anything processed or something.
We really need to do something about all these republicans who are dependent on the government.
Don’t let facts get in the way of your xenophobia.
- in 2022 non-citizen immigrants (which includes documented and undocumented) consumed just 3.5% of all means-tested welfare benefits.
Pretty much agree with all here except your first point. I have no interest in making someone a citizen who immediately needs to rely on the government for basic needs. That should absolutely be a filtering requirement for citizenship, and blocking social welfare benefits for some waiting period helps with that. I would be okay with something like 90 day unemployment assistance during that period, but there shouldn’t really be anything else.
Some day you guys will realize you are being lied to.
The number you referenced — about 59% — comes from a report by the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) that states roughly 59 percent of households headed by undocumented immigrants (and ~52 percent of households headed by legal immigrants) use one or more major welfare programs.
However, there are important caveats and methodological issues that explain why this figure is not the same as “59% of SNAP recipients are immigrants.” Below is a breakdown of what the CIS number actually means and why it can be misleading if used to interpret SNAP participation specifically.
What the CIS figure does say
Why this is not the same as “59% of SNAP recipients are immigrants”
My assessment
The CIS figure is technically correct in the narrow sense they define (undocumented-headed households & welfare usage) but it is misleading to interpret it as meaning “59% of SNAP recipients are immigrants.” The methodologies differ, and the greater body of research suggests a much smaller share of SNAP participants are non-citizens, especially given eligibility restrictions.
Read the entire post @MTTiger19
The number you referenced — about 59% — comes from a report by the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) that states roughly 59 percent of households headed by undocumented immigrants (and ~52 percent of households headed by legal immigrants) use one or more major welfare programs.
However, there are important caveats and methodological issues that explain why this figure is not the same as “59% of SNAP recipients are immigrants.” Below is a breakdown of what the CIS number actually means and why it can be misleading if used to interpret SNAP participation specifically.
What the CIS figure does say- CIS estimates that about 59% of illegal-immigrant headed households use at least one major welfare program.
- That “welfare program” umbrella includes programs such as Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), Medicaid, the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC), etc.
- The figure refers to the household head being an undocumented immigrant (or legal immigrant in the 52% case) and counts any member of that household receiving any welfare program.
Why this is not the same as “59% of SNAP recipients are immigrants”- Different denominator: The 59% figure uses “households headed by undocumented immigrants” as the base, not “all SNAP recipients.” So it says: of households with an undocumented immigrant as head, 59% use welfare programs. It does not say: of all SNAP recipients, 59% are immigrants.
- Welfare ≠ SNAP only: The “welfare” category includes multiple programs, not just SNAP. So the 59% number is about any welfare usage, not exclusively SNAP.
- Household-level, not individual-benefit-level: The measurement is at household level (if any household member uses one of the major programs) rather than tracking each recipient of SNAP by immigration status.
- Eligibility rules mean undocumented immigrants generally can’t receive SNAP: Federal law bars undocumented immigrants from receiving SNAP benefits directly, though their U.S.-citizen children may be eligible and receive benefits.
- Mixed-status households complicate attribution: A household headed by an undocumented immigrant may contain U.S. citizens who are eligible for benefits; so the usage may be by the citizen children or other members, not always the undocumented head. CIS itself notes that in households headed by undocumented immigrants, only ~20% of the heads personally receive welfare; the rest is accounted via other household members.
My assessmentThe CIS figure is technically correct in the narrow sense they define (undocumented-headed households & welfare usage) but it is misleading to interpret it as meaning “59% of SNAP recipients are immigrants.” The methodologies differ, and the greater body of research suggests a much smaller share of SNAP participants are non-citizens, especially given eligibility restrictions.
Read the entire post @MTTiger19
Last edited:
No way youre serious about non citizens. The way it works now goes like this - sneak into country illegally, go to sanctuary city, have an anchor baby, get on food stamps and Medicaid for 18 years. That’s not sustainable, it’s suicidal.
So you think households headed by an undocumented immigrant are full of legal citizens using welfare? That’s the big point you’re trying to make. You cannot believe the garbage you just posted. It doesn’t even make sense.Some day you guys will realize you are being lied to.
The number you referenced — about 59% — comes from a report by the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) that states roughly 59 percent of households headed by undocumented immigrants (and ~52 percent of households headed by legal immigrants) use one or more major welfare programs.
However, there are important caveats and methodological issues that explain why this figure is not the same as “59% of SNAP recipients are immigrants.” Below is a breakdown of what the CIS number actually means and why it can be misleading if used to interpret SNAP participation specifically.
- CIS estimates that about 59% of illegal-immigrant headed households use at least one major welfare program.
- That “welfare program” umbrella includes programs such as Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), Medicaid, the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC), etc.
- The figure refers to the household head being an undocumented immigrant (or legal immigrant in the 52% case) and counts any member of that household receiving any welfare program.
- Different denominator: The 59% figure uses “households headed by undocumented immigrants” as the base, not “all SNAP recipients.” So it says: of households with an undocumented immigrant as head, 59% use welfare programs. It does not say: of all SNAP recipients, 59% are immigrants.
- Welfare ≠ SNAP only: The “welfare” category includes multiple programs, not just SNAP. So the 59% number is about any welfare usage, not exclusively SNAP.
- Household-level, not individual-benefit-level: The measurement is at household level (if any household member uses one of the major programs) rather than tracking each recipient of SNAP by immigration status.
- Eligibility rules mean undocumented immigrants generally can’t receive SNAP: Federal law bars undocumented immigrants from receiving SNAP benefits directly, though their U.S.-citizen children may be eligible and receive benefits.
- Mixed-status households complicate attribution: A household headed by an undocumented immigrant may contain U.S. citizens who are eligible for benefits; so the usage may be by the citizen children or other members, not always the undocumented head. CIS itself notes that in households headed by undocumented immigrants, only ~20% of the heads personally receive welfare; the rest is accounted via other household members.
The CIS figure is technically correct in the narrow sense they define (undocumented-headed households & welfare usage) but it is misleading to interpret it as meaning “59% of SNAP recipients are immigrants.” The methodologies differ, and the greater body of research suggests a much smaller share of SNAP participants are non-citizens, especially given eligibility restrictions.
IDGAF who is recieving help. I just want it to be honest. Red, blue, purple whatever. If you really need help putting food on the table there should be some safety mechanism. But when you have clearly obese people getting food stamps, people selling their food stamps etc, it is not being used properly.
Additionally, only US citizens should qualify. There goes the argument about immigrants coming here and doing the work Americans won't do and being net positive contributors to our society. You don't get to immigrate here and then drain the hard working people.
I hope this shutdown lasts past Nov 1st when benefits stop going out. I hope that is the impetus for scrutiny and change in the program.
They've already been here for 5 years, and I would think the great, great majority are here working and providing for their family. I mainly just think it is a non-issue, but don't care for creating a second class of citizen (even if for a specified period, and not trying to be antagonistic and say you're being cruel or elitist by saying second class citizen. But I mean just that, a citizen without all the rights or fully being considered a citizen).
I agree. I think the best thing we can hope for now is that this stays closed for an extended amount of time. We need to weed out all the people that are abusing this stuff, we should be incentivizing people to work, not sit on their *** collecting welfare. This shutdown has had zero impact on my life, I literally don’t care what they do, I don’t rely on them for anything other than robbing me of my hard earned money. I suspect I’m not alone.
Did you even read? They are counting the earned income tax credit as public assistance. They are also using households headed by an immigrant as the denominator and not all SNAP recipients. It’s as flawed as you can get.
In a few short days, 40+ million people will lose access to other people’s money.
Yes, data from the Center for Immigration Studies, based on Census Bureau surveys, shows 59% of non-citizen households use major welfare programs like SNAP (food stamps), versus 39% for native-born households. This includes legal and illegal immigrants, highlighting fiscal strain from high dependency rates. While it doesn't directly prove imported voting blocs, it underscores challenges in self-sufficiency and cultural alignment for mass low-skilled inflows.
Yes I read. Do you?
Yes, data from the Center for Immigration Studies, based on Census Bureau surveys, shows 59% of non-citizen households use major welfare programs like SNAP (food stamps), versus 39% for native-born households. This includes legal and illegal immigrants, highlighting fiscal strain from high dependency rates. While it doesn't directly prove imported voting blocs, it underscores challenges in self-sufficiency and cultural alignment for mass low-skilled inflows.
The good news is that 96.5% of recipients are citizens, so it’s close to your goal.
But yeah, selling food stamps and obesity are issues. I would prefer that we tax any processed foods, sugary foods, red meat, and other items that increase our health care expenses. That would still give people choice, but would combat food deserts and generate revenue to fund our health care liabilities.
Did you read what I posted because that figure from the center for immigration studies is deeply flawed. I highlighted all the errors in my post.
without all the numeric gymnastics, isn't the question "should people in the country illegally be receiving federal benefits?" If the state wants to provide, that's fine and state taxpayers can ante up. Next up would be "should non citizens be receiving federal benefits" that's a tougher debate IMO.Some day you guys will realize you are being lied to.
The number you referenced — about 59% — comes from a report by the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) that states roughly 59 percent of households headed by undocumented immigrants (and ~52 percent of households headed by legal immigrants) use one or more major welfare programs.
However, there are important caveats and methodological issues that explain why this figure is not the same as “59% of SNAP recipients are immigrants.” Below is a breakdown of what the CIS number actually means and why it can be misleading if used to interpret SNAP participation specifically.
- CIS estimates that about 59% of illegal-immigrant headed households use at least one major welfare program.
- That “welfare program” umbrella includes programs such as Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), Medicaid, the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC), etc.
- The figure refers to the household head being an undocumented immigrant (or legal immigrant in the 52% case) and counts any member of that household receiving any welfare program.
- Different denominator: The 59% figure uses “households headed by undocumented immigrants” as the base, not “all SNAP recipients.” So it says: of households with an undocumented immigrant as head, 59% use welfare programs. It does not say: of all SNAP recipients, 59% are immigrants.
- Welfare ≠ SNAP only: The “welfare” category includes multiple programs, not just SNAP. So the 59% number is about any welfare usage, not exclusively SNAP.
- Household-level, not individual-benefit-level: The measurement is at household level (if any household member uses one of the major programs) rather than tracking each recipient of SNAP by immigration status.
- Eligibility rules mean undocumented immigrants generally can’t receive SNAP: Federal law bars undocumented immigrants from receiving SNAP benefits directly, though their U.S.-citizen children may be eligible and receive benefits.
- Mixed-status households complicate attribution: A household headed by an undocumented immigrant may contain U.S. citizens who are eligible for benefits; so the usage may be by the citizen children or other members, not always the undocumented head. CIS itself notes that in households headed by undocumented immigrants, only ~20% of the heads personally receive welfare; the rest is accounted via other household members.
The CIS figure is technically correct in the narrow sense they define (undocumented-headed households & welfare usage) but it is misleading to interpret it as meaning “59% of SNAP recipients are immigrants.” The methodologies differ, and the greater body of research suggests a much smaller share of SNAP participants are non-citizens, especially given eligibility restrictions.
Read the entire post @MTTiger19
Why is it fine if the state wants to provide? If you are here illegally, the only option is to get nothing and return to your homeland and then come here through a legal process.
And it's not a tough debate in my eyes. Only US citizens should receive any type of social welfare benefits.
We are almost $40 trillion in debt, inflation is still well above our stated target, and tax rates are approaching 50% in some area of the countries. Our entitlement programs are out of control. A good first step is to ensure those programs run efficiently and that means rooting out the fraud.
That is a fair discussion but doesn’t mean we should ignore the fake news that is being spread by grok and those on the right.
I did but it’s semantics at best. Fact is a large percentage of welfare is going to illegals and non citizens. That’s it, that’s the point. The debate of if it’s 59% or 48% is irrelevant, and frankly not a debate. It’s just wrong. It’s not working class Americans jobs to feed, clothe and care for every person that can’t take care of themselves. You can donate to that if you’d like.
It’s not fake news. Are you denying illegals and non-citizens are on tax payer funded subsidies and programs?
3.5% is not a large percentage. It’s fine if you feel that should be zero, but it’s not up for debate that it is not a large percentage.