6' 3" 170lbs...

[Drsupremo]

This is Derek Simpson's listed height and weight on the RU MBB Roster. To my eye, he looks shorter and skinnier. I hope he can hold up physically, now that the staff has no other choice but to play him starters minutes. He took a beating, ala Allen Iverson, during the Penn State game. Is it reasonable to think he can put on 20-25LBS during the off season? If he does that, he will be unstoppable- assuming that the extra weight doesn't impair that extraordinary burst that he has.

It definitely reminds me of the leap Geo made in the last few games of his Freshman season. Big things ahead ... Gotta get stronger

 

[ScarletR30]

Look back at geo his freshman year. Similar body tho and he filled out well.

One of the biggest difference since Pike took over is the physical development of our players. Nearly everyone gets stronger/faster/more athletic after an offseason in pikes program. Myles Johnson, geo, Ron, etc.

I assume Simpson will follow

 

[RUChoppin]

He looks short at 6-3 because the rest of our roster other than Spencer have him by at least 3-4 inches.

 

[Big East Beast]

This is Derek Simpson's listed height and weight on the RU MBB Roster. To my eye, he looks shorter and skinnier. I hope he can hold up physically, now that the staff has no other choice but to play him starters minutes. He took a beating, ala Allen Iverson, during the Penn State game. Is it reasonable to think he can put on 20-25LBS during the off season? If he does that, he will be unstoppable- assuming that the extra weight doesn't impair that extraordinary burst that he has.

It definitely reminds me of the leap Geo made in the last few games of his Freshman season. Big things ahead ... Gotta get stronger

20-25 lbs is unrealistic for a basketball player, imho.

If he puts on 10-15 that would be a significant accomplishment, but it depends on if he falls in love with the weight room and follows the nutrition program.

He can probably make huge strides by next year.

 

[RUby RED]

Don’t want a quick guard like him to put on 20 pounds in a single offseason. 20-25 pounds heavier by the end of his time on the banks, sure

 

[Zak57]

You don't want to him to bulk up too much and lose some of that speed.

 

[AreYouNUTS]

lol….170 at 6’3” (he is; walked past me a couple times so far since he’s arrived at RU) is skinny enough! You think he looks “skinnier??!!” Yikes lol!

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

I think one of the early interviews had Geo starting his college career at 6'3 160. And that was probably generous in terms of weight.

Simpson does not need to add weight, which will reduce his explosive and twitchy ability to change direction and jump. Adding too much weight is difficult for the joints, knees and hips specifically.

I would look for just normal lifting and running/basketball activities where he will add maybe 10 lbs max, which doesn't appear like much...most of that probably lands half with the leg strength and the other 5 lbs of strength in the upper body, arms/shoulders

The other factor that is in play is your shooting motion can definitely change if you add too much muscle and bulk. The ability to get a feel for the basketball and release will be an adjustment period, as Simpson adds strength to his arms. It will take a consistent spring and summer of workouts after some downtime when the season ends. I believe most players take a 4 to 6 weeks off of their feet and legs after the season, to recharge and may get back into a training mode in mid May-June. During that time is perhaps when the player lifts and gets some more bulk, so they can eventually let that bulk wear off as they get into the summer months.

 

[Rutger2001]

Geo was listed 6'4" 180 as a frosh

https://scarletknights.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/2017-18

And 6'4" 170 as a HS senior

 

[ImBadRU]

He is thin just met him Sunday. He could add 15 easily.

 

[Caliknight]

He is a teenager. He will physically develop like every one does.

Key is not adding bulk while adding strength and flexibility. That's real power.

 

[Caliknight]

I think one of the early interviews had Geo starting his college career at 6'3 160. And that was probably generous in terms of weight.

Simpson does not need to add weight, which will reduce his explosive and twitchy ability to change direction and jump. Adding too much weight is difficult for the joints, knees and hips specifically.

I would look for just normal lifting and running/basketball activities where he will add maybe 10 lbs max, which doesn't appear like much...most of that probably lands half with the leg strength and the other 5 lbs of strength in the upper body, arms/shoulders

The other factor that is in play is your shooting motion can definitely change if you add too much muscle and bulk. The ability to get a feel for the basketball and release will be an adjustment period, as Simpson adds strength to his arms. It will take a consistent spring and summer of workouts after some downtime when the season ends. I believe most players take a 4 to 6 weeks off of their feet and legs after the season, to recharge and may get back into a training mode in mid May-June. During that time is perhaps when the player lifts and gets some more bulk, so they can eventually let that bulk wear off as they get into the summer months.

It's very hard to keep weight on during the season for athletes that play cardio sports. Training has gotten better but a lot of guys I played with including me would drop 10 lbs or so during the season.

Building strength is a net negative for basketball players without building mobility. Mobility is much more important.

 

[Rutger2001]

It's very hard to keep weight on during the season for athletes that play cardio sports. Training has gotten better but a lot of guys I played with including me would drop 10 lbs or so during the season.

Building strength is a net negative for basketball players without building mobility. Mobility is much more important.

Yes. Ja Morant is doing just fine at similar stature

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4279888/ja-morant

 

[Caliknight]

Yes. Ja Morant is doing just fine at similar stature

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4279888/ja-morant

Explosive mobility beats strength every time in sports like basketball.

 

[Scangg]

20-25 pounds is crazy in one off season for his size and frame and wouldn't be ideal

10 would good

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

You can get stronger without adding weight

 

[RUBOB72]

Simpson is not going to gain 25-30 lbs prior to next season or even 3 seasons. He’ll be at 180 lbs. maybe a tad more in 2023-2024. Anyone can gain weight … unnecessary bulk is not needed. Strength and speed is more important to his success.

 

[RU-ROCS]

College rosters in hoops and football are almost always inflated as to height and weight, a fact usually revealed when kids go pro. So my guess is Simpson is really 6'-2" and 165. Either way, he can easily put on some muscle mass for next year. He will be more than fine.

 

[Greene Rice FIG]

25 pounds would be spending too much time at 16 handles

 

[Rokodesh]

20-25 pounds is crazy in one off season for his size and frame and wouldn't be ideal

10 would good

hes not adding 25 pounds over 3-4 months unless he's adding fat or doing a Mr Olympia stack. 195 is too much for Derek anyway. He needs to keep his speed, and he'll get stronger with more S&C and as his body continues to grow.

 

[LETSGORU91_]

You can get stronger without adding weight

Please explain why you think so. Getting stronger is a result of increasing the individual size of muscle fibers which leads to an increase in muscle mass. This net result is weight gain.

 

[LETSGORU91_]

25 pounds would be spending too much time at 16 handles

Loved that movie....oh wait, you said handles.

 

[RUChoppin]

Please explain why you think so. Getting stronger is a result of increasing the individual size of muscle fibers which leads to an increase in muscle mass. This net result is weight gain.

Yeah, Simpson is so thin that any increase in muscle mass is going to add weight. The average person, though, can add muscle while at the same time losing fat and not see noticeable differences in weight gain. But the average person in the US is already overweight, so I don't think that really applies to someone with a BMI as low as Simpson.

 

[BellyFullOfWhiteDogCrap]

Please explain why you think so. Getting stronger is a result of increasing the individual size of muscle fibers which leads to an increase in muscle mass. This net result is weight gain.

There's plenty of info about this online. Here's one
https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/10-ways-to-build-strength-without-the-size/

Not saying Derek couldn't benefit from a few extra lbs. , but those suggesting he can/should add 20 lbs of pure muscle aren't being realistic. He's got the body of a boy. He's going to grow into a man with or without weight training. Bone mass usually peaks around age 30.

 

[RU-Choppin-Ohio]

I'm sure the S&C Coach will know exactly what he needs in the off season. This should be the least of our concerns.

I just want him in the APC making 500 3's a day over the summer and continue to work on his ball handling and finishing in the lane.

 

[LETSGORU91_]

Yeah, Simpson is so thin that any increase in muscle mass is going to add weight. The average person, though, can add muscle while at the same time losing fat and not see noticeable differences in weight gain. But the average person in the US is already overweight, so I don't think that really applies to someone with a BMI as low as Simpson.

I was gonna go into the whole fat burning/replacing with muscle mass, but Simpson is a real lean dude. So I skipped that all together. And you are spot on with your post.

There's plenty of info about this online. Here's one
https://www.mensjournal.com/health-fitness/10-ways-to-build-strength-without-the-size/

Not saying Derek couldn't benefit from a few extra lbs. , but those suggesting he can/should add 20 lbs of pure muscle aren't being realistic. He's got the body of a boy. He's going to grow into a man with or without weight training. Bone mass usually peaks around age 30.

The link you sent talks about increasing size and specifically mentions "additional bulk". This article does not mention weight/mass at all. Bulk versus weight. Two different concepts. I'll stand by my original post. With Simpsons almost assuredly low body fat composition, weight training will increase the size of the muscle fibers and increase lean muscle mass. Here's a quickie from a well respected organization, The Cleveland Clinic.

Secondary weight gain from new muscle mass

And here's the Cliff Note version for those who don't want to click: "There is another source of weight gain that people often misunderstand, Dr. Calabrese says. You will gain weight from lean muscle mass that you add by building your muscles with exercise or weightlifting."

 

[AZBlues]

At least it's not 6'7", 163lbs. That's the height and weight of Naas Cunningham on the current Overtime Elite roster.... But I think I could deal with one more skinny Rutgers player...

 

[jerseybird]

Please explain why you think so. Getting stronger is a result of increasing the individual size of muscle fibers which leads to an increase in muscle mass. This net result is weight gain.

Weight training versus weightlifting.

 

[NiTeKnight]

You don't want to him to bulk up too much and lose some of that speed.

I thought James Bailey was much slower after adding a lot of weight.

 

[FastMJ]

Just looking at Simpson he’s still a boy. Once he grows into a man he will probably add some height also

 

[LETSGORU91_]

Weight training versus weightlifting.

Both lead to stronger muscles. Stronger muscles mean muscle fiber size and muscle density increase, correct? That results in weight gain...in both cases. One more than the other though.

 

[AZBlues]

I thought James Bailey was much slower after adding a lot of weight.

Anyone who watched him play a lot in previous seasons and also during his final season at RU probably would agree. There was a slight difference in his agility and explosiveness in movement and jumping during his final year. And you could look at him and tell he'd gained some weight (at the direction of the RU staff, and possibly NBA scouts). Most of his stats went down slightly during that season, but he was still impressive enough to be the sixth pick in the NBA draft.

 

[jerseybird]

Both lead to stronger muscles. Stronger muscles mean muscle fiber size and muscle density increase, correct? That results in weight gain...in both cases. One more than the other though.

You don't have to eat 6,000 calories a day when you work out. Go lift light weights for high reps and finish with a five-mile run (running not jogging), then tell me how much weight you gain.

 

[NickRU714]

College rosters in hoops and football are almost always inflated as to height and weight, a fact usually revealed when kids go pro. So my guess is Simpson is really 6'-2" and 165. Either way, he can easily put on some muscle mass for next year. He will be more than fine.

Exactly. Its all made up.

RHJ was listed 6'6" 245lbs.
At the combine he was 6'5.5" in shoes (6'4" without) and 240lbs (this was after losing approx 25lbs leading up the draft- so he was playing at like 265).

 

[LETSGORU91_]

You don't have to eat 6,000 calories a day when you work out. Go lift light weights for high reps and finish with a five-mile run (running not jogging), then tell me how much weight you gain.

Number one, I do almost exactly that. Except my short runs are usually 6 miles..yes running, not jogging. And I lift 2-3x/week. But you see, at my age, my metabolism has slowed and my penchant for food and beer offsets my almost daily workouts resulting in an even wash of caloric burn versus caloric intake. So weight is a pretty constant for me until I start training for my ultra marathon. But we are talking about a teenager/maybe 20 year old who is skinny as a rail. No fat to burn. Resistance training will improve muscle tone which means....wait for it...and increase in muscle fiber size and increase in muscle fiber mass. Again, increase in muscle mass equals weight gain. Might not be counted in the tens of pounds but it will result in additional lean muscle mass (weight!). My response was to you or someone saying he can lift weights with "no weight gain". Here's another tidbit from the Mayo Clinic on resistance training: "Research shows that a single set of 12 to 15 repetitions with the proper weight can build muscle efficiently in most people and can be as effective as three sets of the same exercise. Please find some reliable sources where RT does not result in an increase in lean muscle mass and I'll continue. Otherwise the fundamental concepts of exercise physiology clearly aren't sinking in and I'm finished with this. I easily and quickly found two credible sources to back my stance, so it's now your turn. Facebook, Tik tok, personal experience and cousin Fred saying aren't credible sources by the way.

 

[jerseybird]

Number one, I do almost exactly that. Except my short runs are usually 6 miles..yes running, not jogging. And I lift 2-3x/week. But you see, at my age, my metabolism has slowed and my penchant for food and beer offsets my almost daily workouts resulting in an even wash of caloric burn versus caloric intake. So weight is a pretty constant for me until I start training for my ultra marathon. But we are talking about a teenager/maybe 20 year old who is skinny as a rail. No fat to burn. Resistance training will improve muscle tone which means....wait for it...and increase in muscle fiber size and increase in muscle fiber mass. Again, increase in muscle mass equals weight gain. Might not be counted in the tens of pounds but it will result in additional lean muscle mass (weight!). My response was to you or someone saying he can lift weights with "no weight gain". Here's another tidbit from the Mayo Clinic on resistance training: "Research shows that a single set of 12 to 15 repetitions with the proper weight can build muscle efficiently in most people and can be as effective as three sets of the same exercise. Please find some reliable sources where RT does not result in an increase in lean muscle mass and I'll continue. Otherwise the fundamental concepts of exercise physiology clearly aren't sinking in and I'm finished with this. I easily and quickly found two credible sources to back my stance, so it's now your turn. Facebook, Tik tok, personal experience and cousin Fred saying aren't credible sources by the way.

George Gervin 6'7" 180lbs., Quincy Douby 6'3", 175lbs. etc. etc. etc.

 

[Scarlet Beach]

He's still basically a kid that is either still 18 years old or has just recently turned 19 in the last few months. Most guys physically get stronger and often gain weight between age 18 and age 20-22 if they put any effort into that goal. His body is still developing and even if his weight doesn't change that much, his body presumably will look a lot different between now and what may be his senior night 3 years from now.

 

[Knight Shift]

Number one, I do almost exactly that. Except my short runs are usually 6 miles..yes running, not jogging. And I lift 2-3x/week. But you see, at my age, my metabolism has slowed and my penchant for food and beer offsets my almost daily workouts resulting in an even wash of caloric burn versus caloric intake. So weight is a pretty constant for me until I start training for my ultra marathon. But we are talking about a teenager/maybe 20 year old who is skinny as a rail. No fat to burn. Resistance training will improve muscle tone which means....wait for it...and increase in muscle fiber size and increase in muscle fiber mass. Again, increase in muscle mass equals weight gain. Might not be counted in the tens of pounds but it will result in additional lean muscle mass (weight!). My response was to you or someone saying he can lift weights with "no weight gain". Here's another tidbit from the Mayo Clinic on resistance training: "Research shows that a single set of 12 to 15 repetitions with the proper weight can build muscle efficiently in most people and can be as effective as three sets of the same exercise. Please find some reliable sources where RT does not result in an increase in lean muscle mass and I'll continue. Otherwise the fundamental concepts of exercise physiology clearly aren't sinking in and I'm finished with this. I easily and quickly found two credible sources to back my stance, so it's now your turn. Facebook, Tik tok, personal experience and cousin Fred saying aren't credible sources by the way.

IIRC, you are a MD? Good stuff. I think we are about the same age.
Do you track your protein intake when training? Assuming your handle means you are in your mid 50s, many of the functional medicine/longevity MDs and PhDs I follow recommend consuming at least 1 g of protein for each pound of body weight plus doing resistance training, whether it is body weight or weight/machine training to minimize sarcopenia.

You are absolutely correct about differences in a teenager with low body fat and middle aged men likely with much less lean mass and more body fat.

Andrew Huberman, a Stanford Professor and neuroscientist did a 6 part series with Dr. Andy Galpin, a professor of kinesiology at California State University, Fullerton and a recognized exercise science expert. The series is a master class in strength training and health optimization, with an emphasis on middle-aged folks. Andy Galpin goes deep into fast twitch, slow twitch muscle fibers, training for strength, power, hypertrophy, etc. It's really great stuff. While If find this stuff quite interesting, one can get lost in the weeds and become hyperfocused on doing it "right" vs. "wrong."

Parts 2, 3 and 4 below:

 

[LETSGORU91_]

George Gervin 6'7" 180lbs., Quincy Douby 6'3", 175lbs. etc. etc. etc.

Scientific basis at it's finest. And you did exactly what I asked you not to do. You might as well quoted a Facebook post or Cousin Fred. Who can argue two players and a bunch of etc(s) versus two extremely reputable sources in The Cleveland Clinic and The Mayo Clinic?? Congrats on your landslide victory.

 

[LETSGORU91_]

IIRC, you are a MD? Good stuff. I think we are about the same age.
Do you track your protein intake when training? Assuming your handle means you are in your mid 50s, many of the functional medicine/longevity MDs and PhDs I follow recommend consuming at least 1 g of protein for each pound of body weight plus doing resistance training, whether it is body weight or weight/machine training to minimize sarcopenia.

You are absolutely correct about differences in a teenager with low body fat and middle aged men likely with much less lean mass and more body fat.

Andrew Huberman, a Stanford Professor and neuroscientist did a 6 part series with Dr. Andy Galpin, a professor of kinesiology at California State University, Fullerton and a recognized exercise science expert. The series is a master class in strength training and health optimization, with an emphasis on middle-aged folks. Andy Galpin goes deep into fast twitch, slow twitch muscle fibers, training for strength, power, hypertrophy, etc. It's really great stuff. While If find this stuff quite interesting, one can get lost in the weeds and become hyperfocused on doing it "right" vs. "wrong."

Parts 2, 3 and 4 below:

Bite your tongue there partner!! Mid 50s? I'll have you know I'm in the later part of my early 50s. I typically dont track my protein intake but during higher intensity training periods I do target much more of it. My body actually craves protein during those times. Thanks for the links. I'm going to check them out.