8 wins minimum next season or Brown and Lyons can hit the road

[VaultHunter]

Improved from worst in country in rushing to mediocre.
Developed zero rbs behind Brown.
WRs were non existent, no awareness not catching skills.
O line barely improved.
QB play was mediocre at best.
Play calling and scheme is terrible, zone reads and rpos with a QB who can't and won't run.
We're gonna lose the best offensive player next season.

Defense above average, padded stats based on competition, average against above average offenses at best. Texas Tech
Going to be a challenge to improve on this side of the ball with uncertainty of staff and losing key pieces.

Special Teams below average. Stats

Undisciplined. Unprepared. We were promised by Holgorsen bashers this was a "real" coach.

We were promised DRASTIC improvement in recruiting by Holgorsen bashers. Not true.

8 wins with a sign of being close to more or Browthorpe can hit the bricks.

Anyone drooling to give this guy 5 years can go too.

We're not Kansas in football. No excuses to not be better than
Texas Tech
K State
Baylor
Iowa State
TCU
With a real coach. 4th place or gtfo

 

[oceantide83]

Stop holding back and tell us how you really feel.

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

With all that knowledge, what P5 program do you run?

 

[WVUALLEN]

Improved from worst in country in rushing to mediocre.
Developed zero rbs behind Brown.
WRs were non existent, no awareness not catching skills.
O line barely improved.
QB play was mediocre at best.
Play calling and scheme is terrible, zone reads and rpos with a QB who can't and won't run.
We're gonna lose the best offensive player next season.

Defense above average, padded stats based on competition, average against above average offenses at best. Texas Tech
Going to be a challenge to improve on this side of the ball with uncertainty of staff and losing key pieces.

Special Teams below average. Stats

Undisciplined. Unprepared. We were promised by Holgorsen bashers this was a "real" coach.

We were promised DRASTIC improvement in recruiting by Holgorsen bashers. Not true.

8 wins with a sign of being close to more or Browthorpe can hit the bricks.

Anyone drooling to give this guy 5 years can go too.

We're not Kansas in football. No excuses to not be better than
Texas Tech
K State
Baylor
Iowa State
TCU
With a real coach. 4th place or gtfo

Got $10 bucks says your full of ****.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Vaulthunter pushing Buckey and TVZ for troll of the year 2020.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

I don’t think WVU will win 8 next year cause I think the schedule will be similar to this season (not 12 games). I also think we are limited with our game planning.

This year WVU could have won 8 because the Big XII was the worst it’s ever been. There’s not 1 qb in the league that’s really good. Bad officiating cost us at Texas and discipline/fundamentals cost us 2 other games. We couldn’t beat Iowa State or Oklahoma though.

I also think that losing the Stills brothers on the DLine will hurt us on that side of the ball.
Our Oline can’t really get worse so I guess it would have to get better.
Our qb will have 2 years in and starting year 3 so hopefully he’ll get better or maybe the WRs will help him by not having so many drops.

The best, biggest, and simplest fix is discipline and penalties. Got til Labor Day to work on it.

 

[Wvu Eers28]

If we were able to play all the games that were canceled this year we more than likely would e been 7-5 (probably beat FSU and Maryland and lose to OU). So I don’t think 8-4 next year is unreasonable. However I’m not ready to fire Brown yet if we don’t get there( unless wheels totally fall off next year).

8-4 is pretty darn good when u consider our schedule next year.

p.s. I REALLY want to beat VT next year!!!

 

[Buckaineer]

If WVU had played a full schedule then Brown would likely have a losing season right now. Probably would have lost to FSU, would have lost to Maryland and would have been blown out by OU.

Next year the conference will be much better across the board so wins will be tougher. WVU will need significant change to win more than five and dont know where that is coming from. Best player will be gone.

Probably will lose at KSU or TCU or both

Likely lose to
@UMD
VT
@OU
UT
ISU

Especially if Browns penchant for scoring 14 pts or less in regulation doesnt improve.

So 6-6, 5-7 is most likely outcome. If 7, 8, 10 wins didnt cut it, why does 5 wins per year?

 

[Volatility_rivals135605]

Anyone drooling to give this guy 5 years can go too.

We're not Kansas in football. No excuses to not be better than
Texas Tech
K State
Baylor
Iowa State
TCU
With a real coach. 4th place or gtfo

You are delusional... You should turn in your WVU card now, if you are even a fan, and not just here to stir the pot. Every analyst in the country was talking about how great of a job NB has done in the short amount of time, because they ALL KNOW the **** show DH left behind. NB's first year we was one of the youngest teams in the country, so we are still young this year, look at our 1st & 2nd deep, mostly Fresh & Soph.... We may also be breaking in a Fresh QB next year if Greene beats out Doege, and it usually takes a QB at least 1 full season to become familiar with D1 speed of the game.

While I do have more expectations for next year, because its the 3rd season, and the team wont be as inexperienced, that said, it usually takes a coach 5 years to build a program from scratch. Its a mircale NB had us competitive this season, and when you look at every major Offensive & Defensive metric, all of which significantly improved in the 2nd year.

Texas Tech, Baylor, & TCu ALL have a far easier path to recruiting talent then WVU.

Brown is a great coach, he's been playing with cards delt, you gotta give him time to improve talent level, and get that talent developed & experienced. Time is the only solution for us to see the type of change we expect. TIME = YEARS!

If you cant except that, you're welcome to wear Green & White...

 

[Buckaineer]

Oh please, Neal Brown didn't inherit a 5 win team, he inherited an 8 win team that for awhile was in the top 10, had a top 10 offense and was FOUR PTS away from playing in the BIG 12 championship!

There were more than enough returning players to field a sound team, and the previous coach won 7 or more games every single year but ONE. In fact in his last four season he won 8 twice and 10 once!

To then claim that Brown somehow inherited a $h1tshow is pure absolute Bull$h!t to excuse away two five win seasons in which WVU could barely score 14 points, had the worst running game in the P5 year one, and the 8th most drops in the nation among every 1A team this year.

Things need to change and fast.

 

[WVUFanForever]

So for vault and bucky...who do you have in mind that will come and do what you ask?

I'll wait for the names.

 

[RichardCranium1]

So for vault and bucky...who do you have in mind that will come and do what you ask?

I'll wait for the names.

Those are Dana's burner accounts.
So you know who they would say.

Dana needs to spend less time trolling the message board and more time recruiting

 

[RichardCranium1]

Oh please, Neal Brown didn't inherit a 5 win team, he inherited an 8 win team that for awhile was in the top 10, had a top 10 offense and was FOUR PTS away from playing in the BIG 12 championship!

There were more than enough returning players to field a sound team, and the previous coach won 7 or more games every single year but ONE. In fact in his last four season he won 8 twice and 10 once!

To then claim that Brown somehow inherited a $h1tshow is pure absolute Bull$h!t to excuse away two five win seasons in which WVU could barely score 14 points, had the worst running game in the P5 year one, and the 8th most drops in the nation among every 1A team this year.

Things need to change and fast.

No one cares, Dana

Don't want you back. Can't have a druggie running the program.

 

[WVUFanForever]

Those are Dana's burner accounts.
So you know who they would say.

Dana needs to spend less time trolling the message board and more time recruiting

Only dana could go to Houston and make them LESS relevant.

 

[RichardCranium1]

Only dana could go to Houston and make them LESS relevant.

Dana too busy posting on here with his burner accounts. Guess he really wants his job back.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

You are delusional...
.............
Brown is a great coach, he's been playing with cards delt, you gotta give him time to improve talent level, and get that talent developed & experienced. Time is the only solution for us to see the type of change we expect. TIME = YEARS!
.............

Great Coach??? The world Great gets throwed around waaaay tooo much.

In my lifetime:
Nick Saban-Greatest of ALL Time
Bobbly Bowden-Greatest retired coach and made FSU a top 5 program for about 20 consecutive years.
Urban Meyer-a gnats hair behind Saban with more Time left
Tom Osborne—Great and built a Dynasty that Nebraska hasn’t seen since he left.

ok after that ya get into darn good (ya gOT 1-2 ring club-Sweenwy, Carroll, Johnson, Stoops, Myles, Fisher, Tubberville (should have gotten one), Ross, McCartry, Tressell, Carr, Holtz, Schnellenberger, etc).

after that ya get into good and over a career ya may make the HOF.

then ya get into the okay to pretty good range.

Down the list further ya get into unknown.

Neil Brown is 2 years in with an overall 10-11 record and his Big XII Conference record is 7-10. It would have been 7-11 but Oklahoma not got cancelled. If he is “great”:
What is his great win in the last 2 seasons?
What above 0.500 school has he beat?
What is his road record?
Does any of it say Great or at best is it too early?

I wish him the best but don’t call him great. He is unproven & unknown at best! He’s got every saying in the book down but the sayings and mantras don’t make a block or tackle or do jack squat except occupy schedule posters and print copy. Year 2 WVU was the most penalized team in the conference and 8th in the country in WR drops.

Next year is critical for Brown. If he does not win, he’s likely gone and Lyons likely will be too cause he goes over like a fart during a funeral with most donors I know. Lyons is not well received.

I wish Brown the best cause as I’ve said before, my nightmare scenario is that Dick will find a way to get a 2nd chance here at his ‘dream job‘ that ‘wasn’t so special’ on his way out the door.

 

[Volatility_rivals135605]

Next year is critical for Brown. If he does not win, he’s likely gone and Lyons likely will be too cause he goes over like a fart during a funeral with most donors I know. Lyons is not well received.

Considering what he inherited, the inexperience, & youth, yes absolutely hes doing a great job at WVU. The fact WVU was a fumble and missed PI call away from 7 wins, even while not having the opp to smack FSU, we was competitive this year except vs IowaSt(#9), which was a miraculous job by Brown & staff... I dont think boosters or Lyons will seriously analyze results until Browns 4th year or Garrett Greene has a year under his belt... Esp the way hes improving recruiting and is building the program the right way via HS talent, and not grabbing every decent JUCO kid simply to get 7 wins.. To "win some games"...

We have a true freshmen Elite11 caliber QB, but it takes time to develop QB's, even of his talent level. Will Grier had starting exp before he came to WVU and his first year wasnt that great, it took him time to find his rhythm.

It takes time to develop talent, to improve recruiting, as long as improvements from yr to yr are noticeable we'll give him time to not be listed on Top X youngest team in D1.. That young talent getting starting exp now, will pay dividends later, its a long term plan, which requires a 2-3 tough years.. We just have to be patient.. Im not a fan of hiring & firing coaches after a few years, it took Dabo 5 years before he got his first big win, it took RRod 5 years( and he never did much without Pat White)... Dabo also had decent talent when he too over, and far easier path to recruiting too... When you look at Offensive & Defensive stats, WVU was one of the most improved teams in D1 this year. We was literally two plays away from being 7-1 at one time... So Patience is required.

 

[WVUALLEN]

8-4, 7-5, 5-7 Brown will still be the coach af the end of next season. Vaccine is released. College football will play a normal schedule.

Oh please, Neal Brown didn't inherit a 5 win team, he inherited an 8 win team that for awhile was in the top 10, had a top 10 offense and was FOUR PTS away from playing in the BIG 12 championship!

There were more than enough returning players to field a sound team, and the previous coach won 7 or more games every single year but ONE. In fact in his last four season he won 8 twice and 10 once!

To then claim that Brown somehow inherited a $h1tshow is pure absolute Bull$h!t to excuse away two five win seasons in which WVU could barely score 14 points, had the worst running game in the P5 year one, and the 8th most drops in the nation among every 1A team this year.

Things need to change and fast.

He also didn't inherit a 5* QB, another 5* that changed to WR, along with 3 other top Big 12 receivers.

Brown inherited a **** show left behind by your boyfriend.

So the previous staff was good enough to beat a bunch of pansies in OOC and some bottom feeders in Big 12.

Majority of Neal Browns freshman team will now be available since the coke boy left town.

 

[3xWVUenginEER]

Bill Parcells — a HOF Coach—- said you are what your record is. Brown at WVU is 10-11 (7-10 in the Big XII) and his team is undisciplined.

I could care less what someone inherits. He took over a team with full scholarships. These guys all make 7 figures ($.$$$.$$$) to not just coach a kids game but win. It’s a results, hired gun business and they all got golden parachutes when they get canned. The Big XII this season was the WORST EVER. WVU was a 0.500 club.

If you want sympathy look in the dictionary between sex and syphillis, cause that’s the only place you’ll find it in this life. I don’t need or want a WVU coach to be my friend, I got plenty already.

Brown is at best unknown and unproven at WVU. It’s up to him to show what he is.

Like I said and it ain’t my decision but if he doesn’t win next season, he’ll likely be out and Lyons likely will be too.

I’m done on this.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Bill Parcells — a HOF Coach—- said you are what your record is. Brown at WVU is 10-11 (7-10 in the Big XII) and his team is undisciplined.

I could care less what someone inherits. He took over a team with full scholarships. These guys all make 7 figures ($.$$$.$$$) to not just coach a kids game but win. It’s a results, hired gun business and they all got golden parachutes when they get canned. The Big XII this season was the WORST EVER. WVU was a 0.500 club.

If you want sympathy look in the dictionary between sex and syphillis, cause that’s the only place you’ll find it in this life. I don’t need or want a WVU coach to be my friend, I got plenty already.

Brown is at best unknown and unproven at WVU. It’s up to him to show what he is.

Like I said and it ain’t my decision but if he doesn’t win next season, he’ll likely be out and Lyons likely will be too.

I’m done on this.

Any coach that took over wvu would have struggled. The program was lacking depth. Not sure why you would quote Bill Parcells. He was a pro coach not a college coach. In NFL football you can make trades you can cut players you can sign free agents. This doesn't happen in college football. You have to recruit and devlop and that takes time. Wvu currently has a ton of FR and Soph in the 2 deep at quite a few postions. This is because Dana didn't leave a stocked cup board. You should give Brown time to develop these players. wait a year or two and then judge. Wvu gave Dana 8 years and it was pretty clear long before he left that he was nothing more than average. Not sure why you want Brown gone so soon.

 

[WVUALLEN]

Bill Parcells — a HOF Coach—- said you are what your record is. Brown at WVU is 10-11 (7-10 in the Big XII) and his team is undisciplined.

I could care less what someone inherits. He took over a team with full scholarships. These guys all make 7 figures ($.$$$.$$$) to not just coach a kids game but win. It’s a results, hired gun business and they all got golden parachutes when they get canned. The Big XII this season was the WORST EVER. WVU was a 0.500 club.

If you want sympathy look in the dictionary between sex and syphillis, cause that’s the only place you’ll find it in this life. I don’t need or want a WVU coach to be my friend, I got plenty already.

Brown is at best unknown and unproven at WVU. It’s up to him to show what he is.

Like I said and it ain’t my decision but if he doesn’t win next season, he’ll likely be out and Lyons likely will be too.

I’m done on this.

Thank God it's not your decision or other haters of WVU coaches or we would be bankrupt replacing Kansas at the bottom for life. Look at Texas. How has changing coaches every 3 years helped them.

WVU fans ran off Bobby Bowden who became one of college footballs greatest coaches. You have to let the thing play out before firing a coach. It took 6 years before BEamer built Virginia Tech into a national power team. He retired and now they feed off the bottom.

This I don't like building a program I want instant success that only last a few games crap is for children.

F you people and your knee jerk hate filled reactions.

 

[Volatility_rivals135605]

Brown is at best unknown and unproven at WVU. It’s up to him to show what he is.

Like I said and it ain’t my decision but if he doesn’t win next season, he’ll likely be out and Lyons likely will be too.

1. Absolutely Brown is unproven, but he's literally just starting the "Validation process", which takes 4-5 years, why fire him in the middle of the plan, lets see how it goes. In the short amount of time he has proven to improve recruiting, and thats where it all starts... TALENT. You need talent to win, but that talent needs time to develop. The 2020 class (Browns true first class) are True Freshmen. You have to give him time, just like Clemson gave Dabo, VT with Beamer, RRod and WVU... When the vast majority of 1st & 2nd string are Fresh & Soph, thats going to pay dividends in years to come... We also have what could be a great QB in Garrett Greene, he needs time to mature & develop too..


2. You are right, its not up to you. Its up to those who support the program, and I very much doubt you donate on that level.

Look at Tennessee, Auburn, Texas, FSU, Miami, the entire PAC-12... look at all the programs that are in a far better position then WVU. More money, unlimited local talent, and they still cant seem to rise from purgatory.. Thats what changing coaches every 3 yrs does to your program, how can recruits trust the coach will be there? How can parents trust that will be their kids coach? You need that in the recruiting world, esp for WVU, which is a very long drive from where many of these kids grew up. Brown continues to improve talent, results will follow, we just gotta give the time to develop..

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

Bill Parcells — a HOF Coach—- said you are what your record is. Brown at WVU is 10-11 (7-10 in the Big XII) and his team is undisciplined.

I could care less what someone inherits. He took over a team with full scholarships. These guys all make 7 figures ($.$$$.$$$) to not just coach a kids game but win. It’s a results, hired gun business and they all got golden parachutes when they get canned. The Big XII this season was the WORST EVER. WVU was a 0.500 club.

If you want sympathy look in the dictionary between sex and syphillis, cause that’s the only place you’ll find it in this life. I don’t need or want a WVU coach to be my friend, I got plenty already.

Brown is at best unknown and unproven at WVU. It’s up to him to show what he is.

Like I said and it ain’t my decision but if he doesn’t win next season, he’ll likely be out and Lyons likely will be too.

I’m done on this.

Great news every !!!!!

Neal Brown is on the way to the Hall of Fame!

Bill Parcells first two years as a head coach was 12-19-1.

Brown has made a better start than that guy!!!!!!! Go BROWN HOF BOUND!

 

[Buckaineer]

Knee Jerk reaction = exactly what troll Allen and some of his alter egos did with the last HC at WVU football. Called for his head night and day as soon as he was announced as coach in waiting, and proceeded to $h!t on every accomplishment and mistep from there on out until he left.

Now, WVU's coach is not getting the job done, has two straight FIVE win seasons, when previously 7 wins was supposedly a disaster needing instant removal of a coach?!?

Brown didn't inherit a team in need of rebuild from the ground up, that's just the excuse his deniers use to ignore two straight five win seasons, and to stroke their own egos because their claims of "anyone can step in and immediately do better" have failed so incredibly miserably.

Agree with the poster that laid it out. A coach is here to do a job. In this era of college football you don't just stay on the job collecting endless millions to produce 5 win seasons.

Its time to perform.

Another season like the last two with the worst rushing game in all of the P5, nearly all of CFB, and a year of the 8th most drops out of EVERY team in the U.S. and five wins, with multiple games scoring only 14 pts or less and its time to make changes. WVU can't afford five aditional years to rebuild after the Kragthorpe of the last two seasons finally moves on.

 

[Buckaineer]

Great news every !!!!!

Neal Brown is on the way to the Hall of Fame!

Bill Parcells first two years as a head coach was 12-19-1.

Brown has made a better start than that guy!!!!!!! Go BROWN HOF BOUND!

LOL!

 

[Buckaineer]

Wvu currently has a ton of FR and Soph in the 2 deep at quite a few postions. This is because Dana didn't leave a stocked cup board. You should give Brown time to develop these players. wait a year or two and then judge. Wvu gave Dana 8 years

A: Brown chased off or pushed out 20 plus players year one, and has had others leave since he has been here. Its not the previous coaches fault and in fact the top performers on the team are still DH's players by and large.

B: Holgorsen NEVER produced two back to back 5 wins seasons. In fact only had ONE season with less than 7 wins. First year won 10 and a major bowl in historic fashion over Clemson (with a conference championship to boot), Second year in a brand new more difficult conference the previous staff(s) still won 7 games. Last four years DH finished with ONE 7 win season, TWO 8 win seasons and a TEN win season. Nothing to compare with the dregs Brown has (not) accomplished such as multiple games scoring only 14 pts or less--all but 1 being losses, the worst rushing attack in all of major college ball, nearly the worst of every team in the top level of football! Or the 8th worst # drops in college football period, or TWO easons in a row with only 5 wins.

Holgorsen was attacked from every corner for his accomplishments, no reason to try to pump up Brown's results, they are what they are--and what they are are HIS and HIS ALONE--no one else played a part other than his staff and his players, recruited or inherited.

 

[westsiderSJHS77]

LOL!

Why do you laugh?

According to one of your Holgersen lover / Brown hater brethren, Bill Parcells is the standard he used to judge Neal Brown.

Neal Brown is well ahead of the standard set before us to judge by.

 

[Butler-eer]

Oh please, Neal Brown didn't inherit a 5 win team, he inherited an 8 win team that for awhile was in the top 10, had a top 10 offense and was FOUR PTS away from playing in the BIG 12 championship!

There were more than enough returning players to field a sound team, and the previous coach won 7 or more games every single year but ONE. In fact in his last four season he won 8 twice and 10 once!

To then claim that Brown somehow inherited a $h1tshow is pure absolute Bull$h!t to excuse away two five win seasons in which WVU could barely score 14 points, had the worst running game in the P5 year one, and the 8th most drops in the nation among every 1A team this year.

Things need to change and fast.

You have a different interpretation of the facts. Facts are the the depth chart was bare at most position. NB had to bring in an unordinary amount of JC's just to fill the 2 deep. Total numbers of schollies was barely above 70 even after the new class came in. NB had to blueshirt and push a few recruits into the next class to get the numbers up.

You are allowed your own opinion but not your own facts.

 

[WVUFanForever]

You have a different interpretation of the facts. Facts are the the depth chart was bare at most position. NB had to bring in an unordinary amount of JC's just to fill the 2 deep. Total numbers of schollies was barely above 70 even after the new class came in. NB had to blueshirt and push a few recruits into the next class to get the numbers up.

You are allowed your own opinion but not your own facts.

Even old buckster's opinions are wrong too.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Knee Jerk reaction = exactly what troll Allen and some of his alter egos did with the last HC at WVU football. Called for his head night and day as soon as he was announced as coach in waiting, and proceeded to $h!t on every accomplishment and mistep from there on out until he left.

Now, WVU's coach is not getting the job done, has two straight FIVE win seasons, when previously 7 wins was supposedly a disaster needing instant removal of a coach?!?

Brown didn't inherit a team in need of rebuild from the ground up, that's just the excuse his deniers use to ignore two straight five win seasons, and to stroke their own egos because their claims of "anyone can step in and immediately do better" have failed so incredibly miserably.

Agree with the poster that laid it out. A coach is here to do a job. In this era of college football you don't just stay on the job collecting endless millions to produce 5 win seasons.

Its time to perform.

Another season like the last two with the worst rushing game in all of the P5, nearly all of CFB, and a year of the 8th most drops out of EVERY team in the U.S. and five wins, with multiple games scoring only 14 pts or less and its time to make changes. WVU can't afford five aditional years to rebuild after the Kragthorpe of the last two seasons finally moves on.

Dana left a dumpster fire. Brown didn't run off anyone. The bowl game against Syracuse showed how bad of shape wvu's program was in. Dana left for Houston because he knew the bottom was about to fall out. Now he has destroyed Houstons program. Dana will never be a good coach. He spends his time gambling, drinking and snorting cocaine instead of concentrating on x's and o's

 

[Buckaineer]

Dana left a dumpster fire. Brown didn't run off anyone. The bowl game against Syracuse showed how bad of shape wvu's program was in. Dana left for Houston because he knew the bottom was about to fall out. Now he has destroyed Houstons program. Dana will never be a good coach. He spends his time gambling, drinking and snorting cocaine instead of concentrating on x's and o's

What alternate reality are you pushing here?

A dumpster fire? The team won 8 games, was in the top 10 for awhile, had a top 10 offense and was 4 pts away from beating playoff bound OKLAHOMA just months prior to Brown taking over.

The recruiting classes were as good as anything Brown has delivered. Some of the players are STILL impacting WVU positively.

And yes over 20 players left when Brown came in--rather suddenly to the point several articles were written about it.

The Bowl against Syracuse was a game in which the STARTING QB did not play--announced just a couple of weeks before the game-which gave virtually a week for the backup to get into starting form. Several other key offensive and defensive players DNP!

Syracuse was ranked in the top 15 at the time. Still WVU stayed into the game into the fourth quarter! It was 18-17 WVU with 3 minutes left in the third and 24-18 Syracuse under 15 minutes in the fourth freaking quarter! It was under 10 minutes left when the game deciding final score happened for SU! That's with WVU backups going against season long experienced SU players who were a top 15 team at that time!

That didn't show how bad of a shape WVU's program was in, it showed WVU played a solid team with backup players. Said NOTHING about the next year except that they were ready to compete into the fourth quarter with a couple of weeks practice with a TOP 15 opponent they weren't very familiar with.

Holgorsen left because he wasn't supported at WVU and got a better offer. What he does there has nothing to do with WVU, but its clear he actually wasn't left with anything to work with.

But at WVU he won the second most games of ANY coach EVER at the school and against the most difficult schedules ever played with the most an highest ranked opponents. Not to leave out--moved WVU into a major conference and had to completely restructure the team to compete in that new conference.

Meanwhile, WVU had the false "anyone can step in and do better" and what a total crock of B.S. that has turned out to be, shoved down our throats and look where WVU football is now.

Its a DISASTER by any measure with no signs of improvement except in people's imaginations.

5 wins in the worst year for the conference since WVU has been in the conference. FIVE wins is all that he could muster--and one of those was against KANSAS and another against an FCS squad. A year after having the worst rushing attack in nearly all of major college football, this year he has the 8th worst # of drops in ALL of college football!? And that's ok? when 7,8,10 wins didn't cut it?

I don't think this is what the money paying boosters and supporters signed up for.

They didn't sign up for blaming the previous coach for getting absoutely destroyed by ISU 9 games into your second season.

Next year is put up or shut up.

 

[WVUFanForever]

Holgorsen left because he wasn't supported at WVU and got a better offer. What he does there has nothing to do with WVU, but its clear he actually wasn't left with anything to work with.

That may be the dumbest thing you have ever posted. Dana wasn't left with anything to work at in Houston?

What color is the sky in your troll world?

 

[Buckaineer]

You have a different interpretation of the facts. Facts are the the depth chart was bare at most position. NB had to bring in an unordinary amount of JC's just to fill the 2 deep. Total numbers of schollies was barely above 70 even after the new class came in. NB had to blueshirt and push a few recruits into the next class to get the numbers up.

You are allowed your own opinion but not your own facts.

When you push out 20 players when you come in, some STARTERS, guess what, you have to fill the holes that you are left with. That is not opinion, but FACT.

Scholarship players were down because SO MANY LEFT and many of the recruits Holgorsen had coming in chose NOT to because of Brown.

Stop rewriting history to fit your fake narrative.

 

[Buckaineer]

Why do you laugh?

According to one of your Holgersen lover / Brown hater brethren, Bill Parcells is the standard he used to judge Neal Brown.

Neal Brown is well ahead of the standard set before us to judge by.

Well ahead?! He can only win FIVE games a year! Tied the consecutive loss record in WVU HISTORY year one and nearly broke it! Had 3rd worst rushing attack in CFB and this year has the 8th most drops in the nation! IN THE NATION.

has had two consecutive five win seasons even though this year the BIG 12 is as down as its ever been. Holgorsen never faced an easy season with only ten games and a down conference like this one, AND he never had two seasons in his entire time at WVU where he failed to deliver at least SEVEN wins!

And for some reason, that didn't cut it, but now you people are championing five win seasons as the greatest thing ever at WVU?

This is more like the WORST ever at WVU--Brown is currently #19 out of 20 of the worst coaching jobs ever at the school.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/west-virginia/coaches.html

 

[Butler-eer]

When you push out 20 players when you come in, some STARTERS, guess what, you have to fill the holes that you are left with. That is not opinion, but FACT.

Scholarship players were down because SO MANY LEFT and many of the recruits Holgorsen had coming in chose NOT to because of Brown.

Stop rewriting history to fit your fake narrative.

You're full of crap. You have no idea what you're talking about. You keep pushing the false narrative that 20 players were pushed out. FALSE. If it is fact, name them.

Fact, Brown was able to keep almost every player in that recruiting class that was initially recruited by Holgs.

 

[Buckaineer]

You're full of crap. You have no idea what you're talking about. You keep pushing the false narrative that 20 players were pushed out. FALSE. If it is fact, name them.

Fact, Brown was able to keep almost every player in that recruiting class that was initially recruited by Holgs.

b.s. total b.s. and you know it.

Excerpt from SB NationNovember 2019

"Kwantel Raines, one of the stars of the 2018 signing class and a tailor made spur safety in Tony Gibson’s 3-3-5 defense is now leaving the West Virginia Mountaineers. The news is not wholly unexpected as Raines has seen his playing time reduced throughout the season and did not dress at all in the last home game of the season against the Oklahoma State Cowboys.

Raines was the second highest rated player in that 2018 class that featured Dante Stills, Josh Norwood, Leddie Brown, Mike O’Laughlin among other players who are currently contributing in Neal Brown’s first season.

The loss continues a season of attrition for West Virginia that has seen a number of players leave the program as they no longer fit with the current coaching staff."

or this excerpt from Mountaineer Maven Dec 2019

"The West Virginia football team has dealt with quite a bit of attrition since Neal Brown’s arrival, .....With the likes of Kenny Robinson and Marcus Simms heading to the transfer portal, whether by choice or not, expectations took a hit for the Mountaineers ahead of the 2019 season. With six more players opting to head to the transfer portal since the season kicked off, there is an obvious impact that will be had on West Virginia in 2020....With six more players opting to head to the transfer portal since the season kicked off, there is an obvious impact that will be had on West Virginia in 2020."

Here is a list of 27 here:

QB Jack Allison
QB Trey Lowe
RB Martell Pettaway
WR Tevin Bush
TE Jovani Haskins
OL Josh Sills
S JoVanni Stewart
S Kwantel Raines
OL Matt Jones
OL Dontae Angus.
WR Marcus Simms,
S Kenny Robinson,
CB Derrek Pitts
Cornerback Jordan Adams
DL Tyrese Allen
S EJ Brown
PK Skyler Simcox
DL Connor Barwis,
TE Jesse Beal,
TE Matt Bejzak,
SR Kwincy Hall,
S Chase Hill,
PK Luke Hogan,
WR Kolby Mack,
LB Jaydon McGhee,
CB Barry Moreland,
DB Rashon Lusane
RB Brady Watson




---stop making up b.s. to make your ego feel better about your total FAIL

 

[RichardCranium1]

b.s. total b.s. and you know it.

Excerpt from SB NationNovember 2019

"Kwantel Raines, one of the stars of the 2018 signing class and a tailor made spur safety in Tony Gibson’s 3-3-5 defense is now leaving the West Virginia Mountaineers. The news is not wholly unexpected as Raines has seen his playing time reduced throughout the season and did not dress at all in the last home game of the season against the Oklahoma State Cowboys.

Raines was the second highest rated player in that 2018 class that featured Dante Stills, Josh Norwood, Leddie Brown, Mike O’Laughlin among other players who are currently contributing in Neal Brown’s first season.

The loss continues a season of attrition for West Virginia that has seen a number of players leave the program as they no longer fit with the current coaching staff."

or this excerpt from Mountaineer Maven Dec 2019

"The West Virginia football team has dealt with quite a bit of attrition since Neal Brown’s arrival, .....With the likes of Kenny Robinson and Marcus Simms heading to the transfer portal, whether by choice or not, expectations took a hit for the Mountaineers ahead of the 2019 season. With six more players opting to head to the transfer portal since the season kicked off, there is an obvious impact that will be had on West Virginia in 2020."



---stop making up b.s. to make your ego feel better about your total FAIL

You are such a loser Dana.
No one wants you back. Neal Brown is a much better coach than you. Time to face the facts. If you wanted to continue to coach you should have stopped using drugs on a daily basis

 

[Jason Voorhees]

What alternate reality are you pushing here?

A dumpster fire? The team won 8 games, was in the top 10 for awhile, had a top 10 offense and was 4 pts away from beating playoff bound OKLAHOMA just months prior to Brown taking over.

The recruiting classes were as good as anything Brown has delivered. Some of the players are STILL impacting WVU positively.

And yes over 20 players left when Brown came in--rather suddenly to the point several articles were written about it.

The Bowl against Syracuse was a game in which the STARTING QB did not play--announced just a couple of weeks before the game-which gave virtually a week for the backup to get into starting form. Several other key offensive and defensive players DNP!

Syracuse was ranked in the top 15 at the time. Still WVU stayed into the game into the fourth quarter! It was 18-17 WVU with 3 minutes left in the third and 24-18 Syracuse under 15 minutes in the fourth freaking quarter! It was under 10 minutes left when the game deciding final score happened for SU! That's with WVU backups going against season long experienced SU players who were a top 15 team at that time!

That didn't show how bad of a shape WVU's program was in, it showed WVU played a solid team with backup players. Said NOTHING about the next year except that they were ready to compete into the fourth quarter with a couple of weeks practice with a TOP 15 opponent they weren't very familiar with.

Holgorsen left because he wasn't supported at WVU and got a better offer. What he does there has nothing to do with WVU, but its clear he actually wasn't left with anything to work with.

But at WVU he won the second most games of ANY coach EVER at the school and against the most difficult schedules ever played with the most an highest ranked opponents. Not to leave out--moved WVU into a major conference and had to completely restructure the team to compete in that new conference.

Meanwhile, WVU had the false "anyone can step in and do better" and what a total crock of B.S. that has turned out to be, shoved down our throats and look where WVU football is now.

Its a DISASTER by any measure with no signs of improvement except in people's imaginations.

5 wins in the worst year for the conference since WVU has been in the conference. FIVE wins is all that he could muster--and one of those was against KANSAS and another against an FCS squad. A year after having the worst rushing attack in nearly all of major college football, this year he has the 8th worst # of drops in ALL of college football!? And that's ok? when 7,8,10 wins didn't cut it?

I don't think this is what the money paying boosters and supporters signed up for.

They didn't sign up for blaming the previous coach for getting absoutely destroyed by ISU 9 games into your second season.

Next year is put up or shut up.

The starting QB that didn't play against Syracuse wasn't coming back to wvu so you saw what the team looked like without him. Wvu wasnt going to do squat with Jack Allison at QB. Dana knew this its one of the reasons he demoted himself to a G5 job. Dana would have been fired after the 2019 season. Dana choked in big games. You need to stop living in your alternate reality. You need to stop using drugs.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

That may be the dumbest thing you have ever posted. Dana wasn't left with anything to work at in Houston?

What color is the sky in your troll world?

Dana pushed out the Houston QB who is now the starter at Miami and who has been mentioned as a heisman candidate at times. He was mentioned as a heisman candidate while at Houston but Dana replaced him for a slow flat footed QB who has a losing record as a starter.

@Buckaineer explain this

https://caneswarning.com/2020/11/18...eriq-king-remains-top-10-heisman-trophy-odds/

 

[WVUALLEN]

Knee Jerk reaction = exactly what troll Allen and some of his alter egos did with the last HC at WVU football. Called for his head night and day as soon as he was announced as coach in waiting, and proceeded to $h!t on every accomplishment and mistep from there on out until he left.

Now, WVU's coach is not getting the job done, has two straight FIVE win seasons, when previously 7 wins was supposedly a disaster needing instant removal of a coach?!?

Brown didn't inherit a team in need of rebuild from the ground up, that's just the excuse his deniers use to ignore two straight five win seasons, and to stroke their own egos because their claims of "anyone can step in and immediately do better" have failed so incredibly miserably.

Agree with the poster that laid it out. A coach is here to do a job. In this era of college football you don't just stay on the job collecting endless millions to produce 5 win seasons.

Its time to perform.

Another season like the last two with the worst rushing game in all of the P5, nearly all of CFB, and a year of the 8th most drops out of EVERY team in the U.S. and five wins, with multiple games scoring only 14 pts or less and its time to make changes. WVU can't afford five aditional years to rebuild after the Kragthorpe of the last two seasons finally moves on.

Tell which of these alter egos I have clown boy? That coach is doing the job he was asked to do. That is build a foundation of playuers from the ground up. Creating a main stay recruiting area. WVU can't afford dumbass fans that think WVU is national title contenders every season like an Alabama or Ohio State. That only comes around every 15 years for a WVU type school.

Brown inherited a team with NO QB, NO WR, NO OFFENSIVE LINE. Prove me wrong Bucklicker.