Ya know man, I know why. BUT, I'll say it anyway. Why wouldn't he go on tv and make a GD State of the Union address and give one hour to talk about all the stats and give the people the references/citations and explain how much safer this world is.
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Ya know man, I know why. BUT, I'll say it anyway. Why wouldn't he go on tv and make a GD State of the Union address and give one hour to talk about all the stats and give the people the references/citations and explain how much safer this world is.
The weed smoking obviously hasnt helped your glaucoma.
Same reason the piece of **** hasn't made good on any of his promises to have a more transparent presidency. Remember the crap he said about using C-span to televise his dealings with congress? He is a Socialist and every move he makes, every word he speaks is designed to further his cause.
He attended a church for 20 years where Whitey and America were spit on constantly. Abolishing the Second Amendment would ensure his place in history along side other notable leaders that were able to disarm their populace. You know who they are.
His presidency has been very transparent to those of us with enough sense to see through it.
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Very well said.
Let me ask you. Do you think there will be a time that people will have no need for a government? Would that be the closest we can get to being Utopia (although total Utopia is impossible)?
Playing Devils advocate...did they have lesser charges of manslaughter, vehicular homocide, reckless homocide etc..back in 1974?
Not going to allow this to be nothing but another religious pissing match.
There will always be a need for a society to have a government as long as we have limited resources. Even if we had unlimited resources we would probably still need a government because some people would still be dicks and want more than they need, even it left some with none.
Utopia, for me, would be living my life as the constitution intended for me to live. I could do or say as I please as long as I don't infringe upon someone else's right to do and say as they please. I could have me a little garden in the back yard and grow my own weed and corn. I could distill my own whiskey for pennies on the gallon.
Having the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness should be utopian for anyone willing to support themselves. Too many people think they are guaranteed happiness and sing the blues when things don't go their way.
Yeah, believe it or not this country was fairly advanced in the 70's. Had hot and cold indoor plumbing and everything. Back then they spelled it "homicide", but it meant the same thing.
Your last paragraph has faulty logic.
thisvis why I said ymmot trusts humanity more than us. He believes we have the right or the ability to govern ourselves. Fair points. Other than the gun/swimming pool/roads false analogy
Just pointing out that if death is the problem, why is some death overlooked and other death is not. More people are killed in a normal Saturday night in Chicago than were killed in Oregon. Why is there no outrage by the President?
Not saying it is, but maybe because the Chicago killing is usually black on black and it is overlooked because of slavery, oppression, and whatnot. When we have a crazy white guy go postal, there has to be a reason, something we can correct.
The statement about the car accidents stands alone. It is true.
Not saying it is, but maybe because the Chicago killing is usually black on black and it is overlooked because of slavery, oppression, and whatnot. When we have a crazy white guy go postal, there has to be a reason, something we can correct.
The statement about the car accidents stands alone. It is true.
You just repeated the same argument I already defeated.
Noone is saying "dont have laws". Because we already have laws restricting gun ownership.
You used the example of speeding. If people are speeding with the speed limit at 65, making the existing laws more strict by moving it to 40 wont stop people from speeding.
Exactly. Guy wants to be infamous. So he commits the most sensational acts possible. Media knows consumers lap it up like kittens, so they run it non stop. Consumers cant get enough, so they keep watching and clicking.
Its a vicious cycle.
The dichotomy between gun death and car death. Simple concept. If stopping death is the motivation, why not stop every death we can? If stopping guns is the motivation, carry on.
Those are both apples and oranges comparison. It's faulty logic. Not related. There is literally no truth in your statement. I know you like to troll in these threads so I will stop. But any time you compare a road, an apple, a pool, to a gun, it's not logically sound. They don't hold up. Too many relevant dissimilarities.
Correlation is not causation. Rape and ice cream sells go up during warm weather. They decrease in cold weather. There is no causal link.
Correlation is not causation. Rape and ice cream sells go up during warm weather. They decrease in cold weather. There is no causal link.
This I believe is the motivation for many on the left in politics. Some of their supporters do not realize their intent and yet, there are others that do who just agree with it. Fundamental change meant just that. Not liking this countries founding principles and want to change it for a more desirable form of government. Socialism/communism?
Unless you live in Georgia, there are no laws that prevent you from making your own whiskey. You can't sell it but if it's for personal consumption, knock yourself out.
You are the one comparing them. I never said or implied they are the same. I am talking about death. A gun shot wound or a car accident can each lead to death. Neither of them guarantee death.
I used car accidents as a vehicle to make a point about society. In your zeal to prove me wrong, you misunderstood my very plain and simple, grade school level analogy. IF death is reprehensible to our society, THEN why don't we make every effort to limit deaths?
Seems like death isn't the issue. Seems like the manner in which death occurs and the object involved are more important.
Someone gets shot, blame the gun. Someone gets run over, blame the driver. Two inanimate objects, operated by a human.
Now, even you should be able to understand that I was just bringing up a talking point. I wasn't taking a test in logic.
LOL...I've never seen an argument that you "defeated".
You obviously missed the point. People speed because the chances of being caught are low and because they know that police will usually allow about a 10 mph cushion. People slow down when they see a cop...don't they? If being caught was highly likely then people would be more inclined to obey the law as written.
We have laws that restrict gun ownership...laws that restrict who can buy a gun, but those laws as written and more importantly, as implemented are poorly conceived. Gun lobbies successfully advocated that background checks need to be quick as to not inconvenience the buyer. Those laws only apply to licensed firearms dealers. The loopholes are enormous. To argue that we have laws and laws don't work is no different than saying we had a football coach and the team still loses so there is no need to get a different football coach.
If current laws don't work then scrap those laws and write new laws and MOST IMPORTANTLY put forth the resources to enforce those laws. If background checks are required if I go to the local sporting goods and buy a gun, why are they not ALWAYS required regardless who is the dealer and who is the buyer? Why are we more concerned with background checks being done quickly than being done correctly?
And stop with the unobtainable standard as that which must be met, else it is all for not. 100% compliance is never an expectation.
That is a quite myopic POV and misses on many levels.
Most people I know...right and left would say that their aim is to achieve the founder's principles. The question of civil rights being first and foremost in that pursuit. Although the founding fathers spoke and wrote of liberty, personal rights and of all men being equal they didn't necessarily practice what they preached. They obviously didn't include blacks and women in their equation.
Further, western democratic socialism in no way is like eastern authoritarian communism...and you know that.
The debate at least in this country between left and right is how to best obtain the ideas of the founding fathers.
It's funny just how brainwashed those advocating stricter gun laws are. The killer explicitly says he did it to gain notoriety in the press. The press loves to slam gun ownership to deflect blame where it really belongs, which is themselves for making the diseased cowards into household names.
I'm having trouble here. I admit I don't have the strongest language skills. What point are you trying to make?
Fair enough. I've been thinking about your viewpoints the last few days, you have some good points. So I'm trying to figure out if the conclusion is correct by following your lines of logic. Some of the lines are good and some are not. I have a habit, of Breaking down peoples arguments, to see whether they are logical or not. Whether they hold truth.
These mass shootings make me sad.
Not even thinking of weighing in on the gun debate other than saying banning them all or making them readily accessible to anyone at anytime won't solve the issue. I don't think it can be solved.
Not even thinking of weighing in on the gun debate other than saying banning them all or making them readily accessible to anyone at anytime won't solve the issue. I don't think it can be solved.
This part was in quotes by you. I couldn't find this quote from Obama's books.
I did find this quote, though:
"To avoid being mistaken for a sellout, I chose my friends carefully. The more politically active black students. The foreign students. The Chicanos. The Marxist professors and structural feminists and punk-rock performance poets...."
Just wanted clarity of what was actually published. Sorry for the derailment.
Thanks for the correction. I typed that quote from a 2008 memory. Guess I had it wrong. I went back and edited the post to erase that statement.
The common theme to these school shootings is the shooter lacks an identity and their act of violence is a revenge on a society that never accepted them. Being remembered as bad guy is better than not being remembered at all.
Was watching video's from I think it was ABC news, just a bunch of news video's playing on loop. One of them was a report from a father who's daughter survived the shooting after the guy next to her had been shot and fell on her allowing her to go unnoticed. Anyway, she listened to what the shooter said as he continued and claims he allowed another guy to live and handed him a package that contained a flash drive that he said will explain why he did all of this.
That's the first I've heard of that, anyone read anything about the flash drive?
That's the first I've heard of that, anyone read anything about the flash drive?
It's "solved" in virtually every other first world country to the extent that it happens a tiny fraction of the amount that it happens here. Why would this be the one place it can't be solved?
Heroin deaths in the US have tripled in 3 years, far outpacing the rest of the world. Nearly 100 ODs in Chicago this weekend. We need to have a national discussion on outlawing that stuff.
Just let Natural Selection do its thing.
Its sad but given what we know about H, if you take it anyway, its hard for me to muster any sympathy.
people say we need more restrictive gun laws but rarely elaborate...id like to know what you (anyone) advocates doing with the laws that will determine a different outcome?
The likely scenario of more gun control on this guy, would be 'sorry sir, we can't sell you this gun'. So he finds another way to get his gun(s) and shoots people anyway. Meanwhile, the law abiding have a more difficult time buying their gun, and the federal government has gained more control.
Exactly. I own several guns, not a single one of them was purchased at a "gun store". What we really need, and I think this solution will make everyone on both sides of the aisle happy, is to start sprinkling magic fairy dust on all the ammo sold. Make it so the bullets will not penetrate innocent people. We would need retroactive fairy dust for the existing ammo, but that would be a minor hurdle and well worth the added expense. IMHO