I'm pretty happy this guy's story is coming out in the media. http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/or...-veteran-chris-mintz-was-shot-7-times-n437291
9 deaths on community college campus in Oregon
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Not the children at Jonestown. The kool aid was squirted into their mouths. Also Jim Jones would have these staged fake suicides that he called "white nights". If you chose not to drink they would force you. A lot of the people probably thought it was another staged event by their crazy paranoid leader. Still your point stands haha
Guess what? No one is saying repeal the 2nd amendment, not even close to that. Just like the first amendment, isn't all encompassing without restraint. GTFO with your NRA lobby induced bull. Cling to those guns man, we're coming to take them away [roll]
Increase background checks and mental health evaluations, decrease gun free zones...see which sides can compromise.
Youre making a totally different argument. Your example assumes there are no laws/restrictions. There are. Noone is saying "we want no regulations". There already exist pretty stringent regulations. We're saying that wont help.
In fact, Oregon recently passed more stringent restrictions. Didnt help. Youre effectively arguing "to combat speeding, we need to lower the speed limit from 65 to 45. That'll stop em!" It doesnt make sense. No matter how many actors and public figures tell you otherwise, criminals dont obey laws. So more laws solve nothing.
How about we just go back to muskets?
Confiscate everyone's guns and only sell muskets. Problem solved. Try committing mass murder with one of these babies.
Confiscate everyone's guns and only sell muskets. Problem solved. Try committing mass murder with one of these babies.
No, but it seems that he had the victims isolated in a room...stood them up individually and shot them. I'd say he hit everything he wanted to until cops arrived.
Neighbors also said this dude enjoyed target practice...so he was familiar with shooting
They wouldn't. They would dump rat poison in the school cafeteria spaghetti sauce......kill 300 kids in an instant. Or they'd pick up the bottle of Drano from the hall bath at home and make a pipe bomb.....blow up a school bus, killing 50.
pay attention & read better next time. already said you & your ilk havent the nuts in your empty sack to actually come out & say what you want to do. haven't before, won't after this act of evil either. keyboard cowards, especially the guy who reads from teleprompters, gutless to actually try and do what you think will stop this.
now scurry back to twitter and post more bogus school or mass shooting event stats to make yourself feel like you are doing something about it!
They just announced that he had no history of mental health issues. Guns obtained legally.
What what laws would you pass that would have prevented this?
What what laws would you pass that would have prevented this?
The world has gone to ****. Gimme the good ol days when all we had was people tampering with tylonol bottles, child abductions, serial killers eating folks, blood and crip battles and pitbull attacks.
That's interesting because I read this morning that he graduated in a class of 5 students from a school for emotionally disabled kids.
Of course, that could be totally false.
There arent any. Which is why all these anti gun advocates have to get their tweets and posts in while they can, before the facts come out.
Its also why its ridiculously irresponsible/inappropriate for Obama to make comments he makes after these events.
If regulations don't help, why have any?
Regulations work when the proper authority, ability to enforce and penalties for violating them are put in place. The technology exists that could monitor automobile speeds and automatically send a citation if violated. People know that they can drive 80 on the interstate and drive right by a radar trap and it is unlikely that they will be cited. If random speed traps existed on the roads and you knew that 1 mph over the limit resulted in a speeding ticket 50+% of the time, people would drive the speed limit or slower. The problem with current background checks is that the emphasis is that they be done quickly as to not inconvenience anyone. How about emphasizing that they be done thouroughly so they're done right?
Fuzz sounds like the kind of guy that could go to a school and shoot a bunch of people just to help his mission to rid the world of guns. I don't think he would have a problem rationalizing in his mind that the deaths would be for the greater good. He could probably pass all the tests and appear on paper as harmless.
Could very well have been the motive of this latest nut.
Could very well have been the motive of this latest nut.
^That's it. All of these shootings are staged by the anti-firearm population to push through their agendas.
Ever seen Wag The Dog?
Ever seen Wag The Dog?
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” John Adams
People are slowly devaluing life, believing morality is gray, believing less in a God that created them, believing less in an afterlife, and having less hope in this life. Is it any wonder people are becoming more mentally ill? The answer? Turn over more control to the government to take care of us. From history, we know how well that usually turns out.....
People are slowly devaluing life, believing morality is gray, believing less in a God that created them, believing less in an afterlife, and having less hope in this life. Is it any wonder people are becoming more mentally ill? The answer? Turn over more control to the government to take care of us. From history, we know how well that usually turns out.....
Spoke to my father on this stuff the other day in passing. His explanation was similar, and it made a great deal of sense. "There's no religion anymore!"
*Shakes fist at sky like the crotchety old man he is*
But it's a great point. His age, growing up, you were accountable to a greater being. There were repercussions for your actions. "Be a good person, or you spend eternity with your creepy uncle Bob surrounded by fire and demons". Set aside the religion debate, or which one is the correct religion...I'm not going into the argument of science vs religion. That's not important. But religion does keep society in check. Life is valuable, there are rules. It's no shock to anyone that America has lost it's religion in the last few decades.
Maybe the loss of religion religion shares similarities to this age of entitlement
*Shakes fist at sky like the crotchety old man he is*
But it's a great point. His age, growing up, you were accountable to a greater being. There were repercussions for your actions. "Be a good person, or you spend eternity with your creepy uncle Bob surrounded by fire and demons". Set aside the religion debate, or which one is the correct religion...I'm not going into the argument of science vs religion. That's not important. But religion does keep society in check. Life is valuable, there are rules. It's no shock to anyone that America has lost it's religion in the last few decades.
Maybe the loss of religion religion shares similarities to this age of entitlement
This sounds like mental health issues to me.
"Records indicate he graduated in 2009 from a high school catering to troubled and special-needs students. Multiple media sources reported Friday he left behind an angry note that is now in the hands of investigators.
The Los Angeles Times said Harper-Mercer's note was several pages long and talked about his anger and depression.
Harper-Mercer graduated from The Switzer Center in 2009, according to a graduation listing in The Daily Breeze newspaper. Switzer Center is a private, nonprofit school in Torrance, California, geared for special education students with a range of issues from learning disabilities, health problems and autism or Asperger's Disorder, according to the school's website."....
There are a number of indications that Harper-Mercer had mental health or behavioral issues. His screen name on some social media sites was "lithium love." Lithium is used as a psychiatric medication....
A neighbor told The New York Times that Harper-Mercer's mother had told a neighbor, "My son is dealing with some mental issues," and was intolerant of roaches that had infested the building.
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2015/10/new_details_emerge_on_umpqua_c.html
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It's kobvious why this keeps happening. Look at the news coverage every time a shooting takes place. Look at this forum for example. A internet forum in KY with 5+ threads talking about a shooting in Oregon? These people want to die and before they do, they want their 15 minutes of fame. Why? Who knows. Some people are just screwed up in the head and all the studying them in the world won't tell you why that person in this way. The news has to stop making these guys famous by reporting on it non stop.
Well, I'm assuming they (the media that reported no mental health issues) meant that he had never been involuntarily hospitalized for mental issues. Nothing you highlighted would be enough to keep someone from legally obtaining a gun.
Are you saying that anyone the graduated from a school for troubled youths should be banned from ever owning a gun? Or that his Mother said he was "dealing with mental issues"? What were they?
The letter he left talking about anger and depression are after the fact. No one knew about that until it was too late.
Because he used a weird screen name, that indicates mental illness. Better check out quite a few folks on here then.
Basically, everything you listed might be enough to watch him closely. Putting aside the note he left, are the other issues enough for you to have him denied his right to own a gun? Or perhaps to take him off the street?
The guy was clearly nuts. I would be for gun owners having to pass an exam before some type of mental health board. The NRA actually supports this too. It is the democrats in congress who won't go for it because of privacy concerns.
Does the NRA want all gun owners to go before a mental health board? I can't believe that. They DO support all mental health issues being checked during the background check but I'm not sure that would have caught this guy since he has never been involuntarily hospitalized.
Exactly, which is why there is nothing that will solve this issue. How the hell are you supposed to find out someone's crazy before they do something crazy? There's a ton of people that can disguise their issues.
Its starts with more laws and more restrictions. Get your foot in the door and then move to the next level. Heck, even some people on here did not realize that we (U.S.) already have a ban on assault weapons and have had so for years. We do not need more laws, we need to enforce the ones already on the books and make the crime fit the punishment. When you have people making excuses such as "society made them do it" or he/she was abused as a child or (insert any here), you tend to take responsibility away from the person actually committing the crimes. Not saying that is the case here but we see it a lot in todays world.
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He also sounds like a guy who wants to implement laws for everything more like a Gestapo kind of rule.
I would like this a thousand times if I thought it would sink in and the site would let me do it.
From school shooting to Old Testament. Now If someone can mention weed, Jenner and black lives matter this could be the greatest post ever! Please carry on....
Out of 320,000,000 people, 166,000 are in prison for murder. That's .00052%. The murder rate has dropped in this country over time, not increased.
In 1974, 20,740 people were murdered in America. In 2014, the number was 14,249. Population increased during that span from 211 million to 318 million. The biggest change is one of perception. We have instant access to news and are inundated with it from many different sources.
Driving down the road is many times more dangerous than attending school. Some of you act like schools are the new killing fields of America. It's just not true. Cecil the lion was actually made into a bigger story than this because we now get to read the opinions of people who would rely on a 50/50 guess as to which hemisphere the USA is located in.
In 1974, 20,740 people were murdered in America. In 2014, the number was 14,249. Population increased during that span from 211 million to 318 million. The biggest change is one of perception. We have instant access to news and are inundated with it from many different sources.
Driving down the road is many times more dangerous than attending school. Some of you act like schools are the new killing fields of America. It's just not true. Cecil the lion was actually made into a bigger story than this because we now get to read the opinions of people who would rely on a 50/50 guess as to which hemisphere the USA is located in.
Caitlyn Jenner is stunning and she is a very beautiful lady.
Dude, you are so on the money. The homicide rate is as low as in almost 40 years.
Mean World Syndrome.
Mean world syndrome is a term coined by George Gerbner to describe a phenomenon whereby violence-related content of mass media makes viewers believe that the world is more dangerous than it actually is.Mean world syndrome is one of the main conclusions of cultivation theory.
It's actually lower than it was 50 years ago, Willy. O'bama knows this. He couldn't do the actual math, but someone told him.