arrogence on here the last few days. The only debate seemed to be whether we should pitch Stratton or not. It seemed no one ever entertained the notion that we might actually LOSE to Samford. My 37 year experience with MSU is that if the fans are like that the team, whatever the sport, usually is too. I noticed a few tried to tell the vast majority that Samford actually had a good club that would benefit from FSU's small yard. They were shouted down and told we should throw a frosh against this bunch. So much for the wisdom here. Y'all should have known when Cohen went with Strat today that we were in for a fight.In a hitter's park with a pitcher not walking many this bunch will struggle.
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arrogence on here the last few days. The only debate seemed to be whether we should pitch Stratton or not. It seemed no one ever entertained the notion that we might actually LOSE to Samford. My 37 year experience with MSU is that if the fans are like that the team, whatever the sport, usually is too. I noticed a few tried to tell the vast majority that Samford actually had a good club that would benefit from FSU's small yard. They were shouted down and told we should throw a frosh against this bunch. So much for the wisdom here. Y'all should have known when Cohen went with Strat today that we were in for a fight.In a hitter's park with a pitcher not walking many this bunch will struggle.
But I felt it was possible. Again, not a big fan of the 6 games in 6 days thing.<div>
</div><div>I did not think Chris would be a little off. But I did respect their bats. When I saw the second batter nearly hit it out after not even hitting it cleanly, I was definitely a little worried. I definitely underestimated the effect the dimensions would have on us, but that second hit quickly made me start to think about it more.</div><div>
</div><div>I was fine with going with Strat, though.</div>
</div><div>I did not think Chris would be a little off. But I did respect their bats. When I saw the second batter nearly hit it out after not even hitting it cleanly, I was definitely a little worried. I definitely underestimated the effect the dimensions would have on us, but that second hit quickly made me start to think about it more.</div><div>
</div><div>I was fine with going with Strat, though.</div>
I absolutely thought it possible. The second I found we were matched in this regional with them I hated it. I would have much rather been in the majority of the Regionals that other SEC teams landed in.
I'm not saying Samford is the better club, but in regional play, they're a scary club, and they proved why today.
I'm not saying Samford is the better club, but in regional play, they're a scary club, and they proved why today.
Draw was terrible. I don't think we could have landed in a worse one. Not sure why you get punished for doing what we did, but I would have taken a number of teams' regionals that actually ended up below us. <div>dawgatUSM said:
</div><div>No matter- we have to win either way, so that aside, I like our club. But no, it wasn't a great set-up from the beginning.</div>
This was a good hitting Samford team, and a short field.
Also, our hitting/scoring is terrible -- I thought that was due to SEC pitching, but was
obviously wrong.
Also, Dear Peaches, if your #1 starter couldn't hold samford down, why would you think
our others would? Cohen was damn right in pitching Stratton today, most of you
17ers thought the name on the front of the jersey out-trumped talent.
Samford was better than us.
Also, our hitting/scoring is terrible -- I thought that was due to SEC pitching, but was
obviously wrong.
Also, Dear Peaches, if your #1 starter couldn't hold samford down, why would you think
our others would? Cohen was damn right in pitching Stratton today, most of you
17ers thought the name on the front of the jersey out-trumped talent.
Samford was better than us.
I've been very worried about that game all week.
The overwhelming emotional rollercoaster for quite a few here about BASEBALL games is literally laughable to me. It makes it VERY easy to spot those that actually aren't fans of the sport, don't understand it, and just follow because it's MSU-related.
No reason to lose optimism over 1 loss. We're still looking at a much easier situation to win this regional than the SEC tournament was...
That said, we're still not an Omaha-level team. We're a borderline SuperRegional team with a BAD regional draw, based on the entirity of the season we've had. I'm fully expecting us to take another step forward to a top 10-12ish squad next year. People's expectations for us in the postseason this season have been clouded by the upsets we pulled in 07 and last year, IMO.
The overwhelming emotional rollercoaster for quite a few here about BASEBALL games is literally laughable to me. It makes it VERY easy to spot those that actually aren't fans of the sport, don't understand it, and just follow because it's MSU-related.
No reason to lose optimism over 1 loss. We're still looking at a much easier situation to win this regional than the SEC tournament was...
That said, we're still not an Omaha-level team. We're a borderline SuperRegional team with a BAD regional draw, based on the entirity of the season we've had. I'm fully expecting us to take another step forward to a top 10-12ish squad next year. People's expectations for us in the postseason this season have been clouded by the upsets we pulled in 07 and last year, IMO.
This Regional worried me, and Samford REALLY worried me. I've gotten over today's lack of showing up at the plate, and I still feel like we can make it to the Regional finals. Maybe being on the brink of elimination will wake the bats up a little, and keep these guys from thinking they can just depend on the pitchers to shut out UAB, Samford, and FSU.
just never was on today. As it evolved we should have pitched Strat tomorrow....or Sunday. I was never in agreement in pitching him today. But God the fishwifeing that would have occured if we had lost w/o strat. Scarrrrrry.
We simply have bad hitters. Contact usually results in a hit down or a pop up. We simply don't make straight up contact. That isn't learned but is a gift. Henderson is the only player (beside Frazier) who makes solid contact with the ball. Rea missed his calling.....I wish, but he will never be a decent hitter. His eye/hand just isn't there.
We may well win 4 in a row but I doubt it...due to our poor hitting and hitting approach....we guess far too much. Hell, hit what is thrown instead of what you think they are going to throw. (This on the hitting coach....or some coach and that has to change....tomorrow) It was as nice 4-5 week run but our hitting will end this period.
Cohen get better hitters and maintain your pitching....we win.
We simply have bad hitters. Contact usually results in a hit down or a pop up. We simply don't make straight up contact. That isn't learned but is a gift. Henderson is the only player (beside Frazier) who makes solid contact with the ball. Rea missed his calling.....I wish, but he will never be a decent hitter. His eye/hand just isn't there.
We may well win 4 in a row but I doubt it...due to our poor hitting and hitting approach....we guess far too much. Hell, hit what is thrown instead of what you think they are going to throw. (This on the hitting coach....or some coach and that has to change....tomorrow) It was as nice 4-5 week run but our hitting will end this period.
Cohen get better hitters and maintain your pitching....we win.
I never get those that freak out over a game or two. I thought our early games, even though we were losing, were well-fought and understandable with our youth and injuries. We always competed and you could see progress (though slow at times).<div>engie said:
</div><div>I'll admit, I was worried towards the end when we still weren't hitting because we were losing time. I still don't think we hit well enough (duh), but the tournament I think showed we can get runs we need. Today was scary... I just think we're drained. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm obviously not there looking at the guys or anything.</div><div>
</div><div>No matter what, I'm proud of this team. Honestly, they surpassed my expectations. I think we need to give them a LOT of credit for what they've done so far. We got a bad draw- nothing to do about that but try to fight our way out of it. If we have enough left in the tank, I have no doubt we will go down fighting.</div><div>
</div><div>In another regional... I think we could have done very well. Omaha was a long shot, even with the great showing last week. I won't x it out, but no, I never felt it was likely.
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Rea is a freaking freshman. He leads the team in RBI's, and was one of the few who came close to a hit today. He will be good next year, and really good as a Junior. RBI leader on a Regional and SECT Champion team, as a freshman....how can you say he will never be a decent hitter? He already is a decent hitter.
Rea will be fine. What does he have to do to satisfy people? He's been KILLING the ball and everyone is still whining because he takes bad swings at breakers off the plate 2-3 times a game. Laying off that pitch or adjusting to hit it oppo is a LEARNED approach. It isn't something that comes natural. He hit a double today as well as 2 more balls that were a gnats *** from being homers. What more is expected? We had issues at the plate today, but Wes Rea was NOT it...
Practically everything you say in your post doesn' make any 17'n sense. If everyone on this board just assumed we were going to win this game, there wouldn't be any debate: we would save Stratton for our second game. The debate raged because many people on this board KNEW Samford was not to be taken lightly. And you really think that fan arrogance somehow rubbed off on the team this week? ********. Maybe some fans were arrogant. Maybe the team wasn't mentally prepared. But it takes some a huge logical jump to say the former caused the latter.
And finally... You claim that because Stratton lost today, that is even more proof that throwing him was the right call. That has got to be one of the most ***-backwards things I've ever heard.
And finally... You claim that because Stratton lost today, that is even more proof that throwing him was the right call. That has got to be one of the most ***-backwards things I've ever heard.
I am not a baseball guy (I think it is too slow and quite frankly, boring as hell), I don't watch any pro games and very little college games. In fact,I only pay attention when State is playing.
I wanted to preface my question with that statement so I wouldn't get piled on, if it is a dub mass question. So, question: I understand that the bats have changed in college, so how long of a notice did the college teams have that this was going to occur? Was it something that happened quickly or was it done over a period of years?
I ask this because I come on this board and see people bitching about our hitting all the time, I go to the Spirit and see people bitching about hitting all the time, I work with a life long South Carolina fan who has been bitching about their hitting all year, and I also work with a Bama fan who has also been bitching about it too.
So it seems like it is a problem that several teams are having (well except for Stamford), so I am curious if the bat change occured too quickly for coaches to recuit players who could overcome it or if they are having problem identifying HS players who can hit with the new bat?
I wanted to preface my question with that statement so I wouldn't get piled on, if it is a dub mass question. So, question: I understand that the bats have changed in college, so how long of a notice did the college teams have that this was going to occur? Was it something that happened quickly or was it done over a period of years?
I ask this because I come on this board and see people bitching about our hitting all the time, I go to the Spirit and see people bitching about hitting all the time, I work with a life long South Carolina fan who has been bitching about their hitting all year, and I also work with a Bama fan who has also been bitching about it too.
So it seems like it is a problem that several teams are having (well except for Stamford), so I am curious if the bat change occured too quickly for coaches to recuit players who could overcome it or if they are having problem identifying HS players who can hit with the new bat?
He isn't killing the ball. Damn....that is insane.
Will he...to be seen...but to say his is killing the ball now is insane.
He should be our left tackle in 2012 and he would will have made millions....he never will at baseball.
Will he...to be seen...but to say his is killing the ball now is insane.
He should be our left tackle in 2012 and he would will have made millions....he never will at baseball.
and I think for whatever reason has been more noticeable this year.
That being said, it affects all teams. And today, with the same restrictions, Samford hit
3 HRs off of us, and we didn't score a run.
I love the more small-ball/steal approach (see vandy), but basic hitting shouldn't change that much.
IMO.
That being said, it affects all teams. And today, with the same restrictions, Samford hit
3 HRs off of us, and we didn't score a run.
I love the more small-ball/steal approach (see vandy), but basic hitting shouldn't change that much.
IMO.
As you said, baseball is more of a "marathon" sport. You have to be in it for the long haul,
and even if the law of averages is on your side, you can still get hosed by the occasional exceptional performance.
That being said, there's no reason to sugar-coat our hitting woes.
I think folks (at least me) are more upset about the lack of hitting production than that loss.
Even with the best pitching, you can't win 0-0, you have to score runs.
and even if the law of averages is on your side, you can still get hosed by the occasional exceptional performance.
That being said, there's no reason to sugar-coat our hitting woes.
I think folks (at least me) are more upset about the lack of hitting production than that loss.
Even with the best pitching, you can't win 0-0, you have to score runs.
LOL at the hitting line drives is "not taught but a natural skill". I should have known better than to respond to you in the first place. That's all I needed to see to know that you don't have a f'n clue what your talking about.
In the last 10 games, Rea is:
10 for 32 = .313 AVERAGE
.450 OBP
.500 Slugging
.950 OPS
2 Doubles
1 HR
7 RBI
4 Runs
5 walks
2 HBP
1 SAC
8 k's in 40 plate appearances, @ 1.6k/bb. Approx the same as Mike Zunino.
He has personally accounted for 25% of our TOTAL RUNS in this time period.
Sustained over a season, he would be 25th in average, 13th in Slugging, 5th in OBP in the entire SEC.
Your welcome.
In the last 10 games, Rea is:
10 for 32 = .313 AVERAGE
.450 OBP
.500 Slugging
.950 OPS
2 Doubles
1 HR
7 RBI
4 Runs
5 walks
2 HBP
1 SAC
8 k's in 40 plate appearances, @ 1.6k/bb. Approx the same as Mike Zunino.
He has personally accounted for 25% of our TOTAL RUNS in this time period.
Sustained over a season, he would be 25th in average, 13th in Slugging, 5th in OBP in the entire SEC.
Your welcome.
Our biggest problem today at the plate was patience. I think we still were too aggressive at the plate swinging at everything. The announcer was right. Had we not swung at anything that pitcher would have gotten himself in trouble. We swung at more balls today then I have ever seen us swing at. As much as you guys say Samford is bad ***, next time we face them they will have their 3rd or 4th pitcher. AND FSU does not have an ace (their pitchers are all freshmen). If we just can get our head out of our *** and show discipline at the plate these next few games, we can still win this regional. This kind of bitching I see on this board should be reserved for when we go 2 and out not for when we are still in the damn regional. My bet is that we still will be playing baseball when Ole Miss is put out. There is still a lot of baseball left and it looks like you guys have given up. I know it gets frustrating, heck I have been an MSU fan all of my life as well but at least start your big time bitching once we are put out of the regional. Think of how stupid these threads will look if we come back and win it. We did it in the SEC tournament. We have the pitching depth. We have enough hitting. There is a chance to do it here.
You really backed up your speak.I love it.Some of Rea's outs have been well hit. Twice yesterday. There are some hitters we have that might need some criticism but not Rea. He has made a huge adjustment by hitting the ball where it is pitched and not trying to pull everything.engie said: