"A Nine for Nine Film...."
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The "Nine for IX" series as in Title IX women's sports? Don't knock it--now that waterboarding has been banned at Gitmo, if they play that **** in an endless loop, those Taliban and al Qauda 17ers will be begging for mercy.
I'm torn on the subject of Title IX. Most of it is exceptionally well intended and the net benefits easily understood--access to higher education, career guidance, pregnancy/parenting education, sexual harassment etc. The controversy is with the sports section which mandates "equal" opportunity for females to access sports facilities and scholarships.
I have no problem with colleges awarding scholarships to male or female skilled athletes genuinely interested in sports. Unfortunately, many of the Title IX scholarships go to persons with minimal skills or even interest in the sport for which they received a scholarship. Check out this article in the NY Times --"Sports scholarship--no experience necessary." Not just in that sport--any sport. Ever... http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/28/sports/othersports/28xrowing.html
Rewarding a scholarship for sports effort is laudable; giving one away under a misguided perception of creating equality seems sadly misguided. In effect, this becomes a general access scholarship for women only, and men with similar minimal interest in sports need not apply. To truly make it equal would you not have to let anyone of any sex try out for any scholarship in any sport? The complaint is that is unfair because because "men and women aren't really equal." So you address inequality by creating it?
Due to the cost of maintaining "equal" programs, many colleges drop some men's sports and true, dedicated athletes lose their sports scholarships. Wouldn't the law make more sense if it just required men's sports scholarships be matched by general scholarships, but there was not the requirement to "invent" a program in which neither the school nor "athletes" have any genuine interest? At least the schools wouldn't have to waste money on facilities no one really wants.
This is not a sexist rant-- I will gladly accept a scholarship for my daughter if one gets thrown into her lap. But I'd have a bad taste in my mount if it my daughter's scholarship came at the expense of someone else's son, who was actually an athlete. And what if that son was a minority who otherwise didn't have the means to go to college at all? Aint right.
I have no problem with colleges awarding scholarships to male or female skilled athletes genuinely interested in sports. Unfortunately, many of the Title IX scholarships go to persons with minimal skills or even interest in the sport for which they received a scholarship. Check out this article in the NY Times --"Sports scholarship--no experience necessary." Not just in that sport--any sport. Ever... http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/28/sports/othersports/28xrowing.html
Rewarding a scholarship for sports effort is laudable; giving one away under a misguided perception of creating equality seems sadly misguided. In effect, this becomes a general access scholarship for women only, and men with similar minimal interest in sports need not apply. To truly make it equal would you not have to let anyone of any sex try out for any scholarship in any sport? The complaint is that is unfair because because "men and women aren't really equal." So you address inequality by creating it?
Due to the cost of maintaining "equal" programs, many colleges drop some men's sports and true, dedicated athletes lose their sports scholarships. Wouldn't the law make more sense if it just required men's sports scholarships be matched by general scholarships, but there was not the requirement to "invent" a program in which neither the school nor "athletes" have any genuine interest? At least the schools wouldn't have to waste money on facilities no one really wants.
This is not a sexist rant-- I will gladly accept a scholarship for my daughter if one gets thrown into her lap. But I'd have a bad taste in my mount if it my daughter's scholarship came at the expense of someone else's son, who was actually an athlete. And what if that son was a minority who otherwise didn't have the means to go to college at all? Aint right.
My problem is they are artificially giving women equal sports scholarships...
because they can't compete on a level playing field with men in athletics and have their own teams when, in reality, a MUCH lower percentage of women are interested in playing or even watching sports anyway. I guess by the same token they could force all college academic scholarships to be split 50-50 between men and women so when you compete for academic scholarships you are either competing against other men or other women for what's available. Given the science we know about the differences in men's and women's brains I mean do men and women REALLY have an equal shot at an academic scholarship? Sort of the same artificial reasoning to me.
because they can't compete on a level playing field with men in athletics and have their own teams when, in reality, a MUCH lower percentage of women are interested in playing or even watching sports anyway. I guess by the same token they could force all college academic scholarships to be split 50-50 between men and women so when you compete for academic scholarships you are either competing against other men or other women for what's available. Given the science we know about the differences in men's and women's brains I mean do men and women REALLY have an equal shot at an academic scholarship? Sort of the same artificial reasoning to me.
Plenty of women are interested in playing sports.
Title 9 was needed at the time, but it needs to be re-worded. There's no equal female sport to compete with football, so it will never be equal if we don't start adjusting for that. But there are plenty of women that want to play sports in college- I do think women probably burn out faster than guys do, especially at the higher levels. I've coached women, so I'm around it a lot.
I liked the Pat Summitt one, and I want to see the one on the 99 World Cup.
Its still a MUCH lower percentage, that's the point. I don't think anyone who knows much about how men and women are made up would deny that.
The real point is that male athletes kill themselves to get noticed and the opportunity to earn a scholarship, and a morbidly obese female who has never played a sport in her life is offered on the spot by two coaches. Why go through the charade? Crew is a sport in a state that is mostly desert?
Women have NO problem competing academically, and most medical schools now have a majority of women in their classes. Women are just as smart as men, though there is some slight stratification of different skills between the sexes in sub-areas like language skills, math, etc. It's definitely overall even, though.
Women have NO problem competing academically, and most medical schools now have a majority of women in their classes. Women are just as smart as men, though there is some slight stratification of different skills between the sexes in sub-areas like language skills, math, etc. It's definitely overall even, though.
All that it would ultimately take to "fix" title IX is for football to be exempt from it's parameters. It's ridiculous that we've got to give about 85 full athletics scholarships to women to make up that difference...
Exempt football, give baseball 27 full, and fully fund men's soccer. Problem solved...
Of course the hard part and the part that sucks is pulling the other 40-45 women's scholarships that are currently given...
Maybe keep funding them as is and establish trusts for private donations to fund the additional baseball and soccer scholarships -- 2 things I believe our alumni would gladly "pay" for...
Exempt football, give baseball 27 full, and fully fund men's soccer. Problem solved...
Of course the hard part and the part that sucks is pulling the other 40-45 women's scholarships that are currently given...
Maybe keep funding them as is and establish trusts for private donations to fund the additional baseball and soccer scholarships -- 2 things I believe our alumni would gladly "pay" for...
Thank you.
I don't necessarily agree with your taking away scholarships, but I think you're semi on the right path. Football screws up the whole equation.
And to the person talking about morbidly obese females.... are you considering linemen skinny or something? You don't think a basketball team would offer a 7'2 guy, even if he really wasn't D1 skill? There's a guy named Wesley Morgan out there that disagrees with you. Men's sports absolutely take advantage of size when it makes a difference, just like females do. It's just more rare for a female to grow that big or be that fat and still be a good athlete. Being fat isn't a requirement in the majority of women's sports, unlike football. And don't give me the talk about muscle- they still register as morbidly obese, and later in life they are still getting diabetes and everything else that goes along with being that size.
Women deserve their own sports teams. Just period. There's no doubt Title 9 needs to be fixed. But I know plenty of girls that bust their *** just like boys to get scholarships. Especially at the D1 level.
Maybe keep funding them as is and establish trusts for private donations to fund the additional baseball and soccer scholarships -- 2 things I believe our alumni would gladly "pay" for...[/QUOTE]
The problem here is, that the courts have ruled in some cases that donated monies should be distributed equally as well. There are examples of donations intended for particular mens sports being rerouted in order to comply with the law. Doesn't matter how the funds are raised, the money can, and has been redirected.
The problem here is, that the courts have ruled in some cases that donated monies should be distributed equally as well. There are examples of donations intended for particular mens sports being rerouted in order to comply with the law. Doesn't matter how the funds are raised, the money can, and has been redirected.
The problem here is, that the courts have ruled in some cases that donated monies should be distributed equally as well. There are examples of donations intended for particular mens sports being rerouted in order to comply with the law. Doesn't matter how the funds are raised, the money can, and has been redirected.[/QUOTE]
Then you cut 47.5 women's scholarships and give them to men to maintain the same number of total scholarships -- once football is exempt the status of title IX.
My point was simply in letting them keep what they currently have even though we would no longer be bound to that by law -- at least in the terms of the 85 women's scholarships that are currently occupied because we've got a football team.
And if earmarked monies were actually required to distributed equally, we would have one HELLA badass softball complex for $100 million**
While Title IX has increased scholarship opportunities for women in athletics, it has ironically decreased employment for women in sports since it is now lucrative for men to go into coaching women's sports. Reread that article from the NY Times and look at the names of every coach mentioned. All men.
As a former college athlete who walked onto the MSU track team in 95, lettered, earned a scholarship, then lost it in 96 to the title IX expansion so that a club soccer player could have it; you will never convince me that title IX is a good thing. As well intentioned as it may be, it is 100% a sexist policy that favors certain individuals based entirely on their gender. You cannot correct any existing injustice by creating another. Too many well deserving athletes have been negatively affected by Title IX.
Read the article-- height (size) is an advantage is basketball. This morbidly obese girl-- who had never played a sport in her life-- was on the rowing team. You're telling us that trying to haul her fat *** around would be an advantage? You'd need a whole galley full of rowers like something off the set of "Ben Hur." Hell, if she could managed to fit in the boat, the other half would probably stick up out of the water. She might make a good channel marker, but nobody wants to share a kayak with someone who is 100 pounds over weight!
Her strength probably was worth it- how do you know if she was a good rower or not?
Michael Oher didn't play football until his senior year? He was good in high school because he was big and had some untapped talent. Maybe she was the same? It's not like they row on grass.
Michael Oher didn't play football until his senior year? He was good in high school because he was big and had some untapped talent. Maybe she was the same? It's not like they row on grass.
The reality is there probably shouldn't be any athletic scholarships at the college level funded by non-private money. Set an athletic budget for money to be spent on sports, split between men and women based on the representation in the student body (this amount should be very small considering it has to come from other students and/or taxes, with nobody receiving a scholarship). Let every sport be on its own based on the money it can raise through ticket sales, donations, sponsorships, tv money, etc. If a wealthy donor wants to sponsor a men's wrestling team, no harm to any female athlete. If female athletes are pissed because people will give lots of money to watch/support football, it's an easy solution. They can either play football or make the sport they do play as entertaining and marketable as college football.
Okay, I just read the article. Sounds like her fat *** is pretty good at rowing since she's beating people and being considered for the Olympics. Water kinda takes her weight a little out of the picture.
And we're talking about rowing. She has to row a boat- I don't think this is a good example of just pulling out some un-athletic person and putting them on a team for the hell of it. I doubt it takes much athleticism to do that, man or woman.
And it seems like she is pretty committed to it, unlike what the guy above who said women don't care as much as men. Sounds like she does.
You can point her out, but there's plenty of fat linemen who got scholarships for being bigger than others. There's a few guys in the NFL who didn't even play in high school.
And we're talking about rowing. She has to row a boat- I don't think this is a good example of just pulling out some un-athletic person and putting them on a team for the hell of it. I doubt it takes much athleticism to do that, man or woman.
And it seems like she is pretty committed to it, unlike what the guy above who said women don't care as much as men. Sounds like she does.
You can point her out, but there's plenty of fat linemen who got scholarships for being bigger than others. There's a few guys in the NFL who didn't even play in high school.
Strength? Read the article They didn't offer her after watching her do a ladder in the weight room-- she played the French Horn. She had never played a sport. and she was offered on the spot. Just because you are the size of a Narwhale doesn't mean you'll be great at watersports. Can you imagine 2 coaches running up to some male lard *** they met stuffing down a Coney at Sonic and offering him a football scholarship on the spot? IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN.
Sorry, this is incorrect.
Oher was a 5*(#5 overall OL) coming into his senior year @ Briarcrest before ever being adopted by the Tuohys... The Blindside lied to you...
Yep-she's kick *** now and possibly headed for the olympics--now that's she's 60 pounds lighter and has actually tried a sport.Point is-- would a big. fat man who had never even played a single sport-- ever-- get the same chance? Of course not. Has any male non-athlete in the history of the US ever been offered a scholarship to college and had a shot at the US Olympic team? Nope.
It's NOT an "athletic" sport- all you have to do is row some oars. She apparently did have the strength, as shown by her results.
I'd imagine you could find some big guy who hasn't played a sport, put him on the rowing team, and get the same results.
If she was going out for gymnastics or soccer or basketball, I highly doubt she'd be considered much less make the team.
I bet that happens at smaller colleges. It doesn't have to happen at D1's, but I could see a D2 looking at a big guy and trying him out.