A question for Cadaver... and others

[MSDawg34]

What makes you so damn certain that Cohen will consistently have us competing. There is no arguing with you, its already set in stone that Cohen will make a Super 2 out of every 3 years and Omaha 25% of the time.

Both sides think that next season we should be very competitive. Both sides think that hosting a regional next year is probable. Hell, both sides think that Cohen has done a fairly decent job so far. What some of us say is that in year 5, if Cohen continues to put out the type of stuff we are seeing that it may be time for a change.

You are just to stubborn to consider the possibility that Cohen may not end up being the right man for the job. So Cadaver, if we produce another mediocre season next year would you consider changing coaches?

The whole argument boils down to whether or not AT THIS POINT 2013 should determine Cohen's job. Some on here say yes, some haven't answered the question.

The rest of the season could solidify this position or we could win 15 of our last 18 and be awesome. But the future is the future and at this point we think that Cohens job should be based upon next seasons results, do you Cadaver? Coach? Goat? Quaroas?

 

[SLUdog]

hopefully we can play better down the stretch and win 8 of 15 games left. Next year is a make or break year for Cohen, no matter what Cadaver or anybody else says. Meaning we need to have a winning SEC record and a shot athosting a regional.

 

[CadaverDawg]

First off, at no point have I said anything about 2 out of every 3 years in a Super and Omaha 25% of the time.

Now, to answer the question...NO, I do not feel at this time that Cohen's job should be based on next season's results. Why? Because this season is not over, and because at this time we are less than a year removed from a Super Regional and top 16 finish nationally. We also have had a couple of good recruiting classes in a row, and I think when these guys gain a little more experience to go with their effort, we will be successful under John Cohen.

We lost just about all of our starters from last year, including....Parks, Vickerson, Shephard, Ogden, Freeman, Collins, D. Jones. Those guys weren't the most talented, but they proved what experience can do by making it 2 outs from a CWS. It appears to me that our young team is already as talented as those guys, but lack experience.

You absolutely proved what I have been saying in this post though....last year we were having a sub par to average year, but we turned it on at the right time and made a run. We could definitely do it again this year, but no one knows yet. Therefore, it is an absolute fact that at this point nobody knows if next year will play a part in Cohen's future at MSU. We could flame out this year, make a regional, a Super, or a CWS for all anybody knows. And I can guarantee you that if we make ANY type of postseason appearance beyond the SEC tourney this year, Cohen will 100% be our coach in 2014 regardless of 2013's results.

The fact that you and your groupies are saying things about next year's results proves two things....1. That you know nothing about baseball, and 2. That you are poor excuses for fans to give up on a season and a coach with several winnable games left to play.

Cohen may end up failing us in the long run, or he may end up our best coach ever, who knows.... but a coach that was in the Supers last year, and still has several series to play with a young, scrappy, and often injured team this year, should not be in the hot seat next year...not yet anyway. If he flames out this year then maybe my opinion changes, but that hasn't happened yet and I don't expect it to. I'm realistic when it comes to looking at the competition we face, the youth we have, the talent we have, and the injuries we've had. Therefore, I think things line up well for the next few series, and I know they look promising for next year. But I'm damn sure not going to give up on them this year, because I'm a fan and I understand baseball.

 

[Coach34]

make the Tourney more times than not, and have some success from time to time when you are there.

We are not ever going to fire Cohen or any other coach that makes the Tourney or has us in bowl games.

We made a Super last season, are rebuilding this season. And should have a quality team next year- no excuses.

 

[CadaverDawg]

Not yet it's not. You say that so definitely, yet you really think if we squeak in as a #3 seed in a regional and lose our first two games, Stricklin will fire Cohen next year if he doesn't make a regional? There's nobody on this board or associated with this program that can say that with certainty, so it actually does matter what Cadaverdawg says. I'm right, because the season isn't over. You can make all of the guesses, projections, and assumptions you want, but the bottom line is that until this season ends we don't know how next season's results will factor in to Cohen's future t MSU. I don't see why that is so hard to understand for some of you.

Some of you would rather sit around and ***** about Cohen than actually pull for the team to finish strong.

Some of y'all are like Coach34 was with basketball, except he actually made logical points. You guys are looking at an obvious rebuilding year after a Super appearance and trying to judge a career over it. That's foolish and should at least wait until the end of the season

 

[MSDawg34]

Im coming from the perspective of our current situation which is 5-10 in year 4. And stop with the "you know nothing about baseball" mess, that only applies to rugbdawg.

I know that we are way too sloppy in the field.
I know that Caleb Reed is not a closer.
I know that we bunt entirely too much.
I know that we have the worst stealing percentage in the conference.
I know that in SEC play that we have been thrown out TWICE as often as we have stolen a base.
I know you had to read that twice to understand that our stealing % in league play is 33%
I know that we would be far and away the league leader in sac bunts if we didn't 17 up 40% of them.
I know that this is all on John Cohen.

And I know that if this **** continues next season that we will be calling for Cohen's job.

 

[bigdawg22.sixpack]

And there you go. This thread needs no more argument. Cadaverdawg is exactly right. At least let the season play out before you start talking about the next season. The argument some of you are making is laughable. If we end the season last in SEC play and miss on a regional then your argument is valid. And more thank likely CadaverDawg and myself will probably be in agreement that next yr is crucial for Cohen but its wayyyy to early to determine that. So how about we forget about it and cheer the hell out of our diamond dogs for the rest of this season. THEN we can talk about next year.

 

[CadaverDawg]

You're giving up by saying Cohen'sjob will be determined by next year's results. Plus, now you're changing your original thoughts in this thread , because you know I'm right, and are now saying that "if this **** continues next season that we will be calling for Cohen's job". Originally you said that next season's results will "determine his job", now you're saying it will make everyone call for his job. Those are two totally different things.

 

[MSDawg34]

If I hope and pray that the team does well will it be shown in any way? Hell no. I am basing everything on what I have seen so far this season. I will continue to be at every home game and listen/watch all the road ones hoping like hell we win. But me really really really really wanting us to win doesn't affect a damn thing. No one's giving up.

And yes a fanbase calling for a coach's job does help in determining it.

 

[CadaverDawg]

You obviously don't know what giving up means then. You are writing off the rest of the season by saying that Cohen's job will be determined by next season's results. If you weren't giving up on it, or writing it off, then you would know that we could still make a post season appearance, which would in turn make your "next season" argument invalid because It wouldn't matter what he does next year if he goes to the CWS this year, or anywhere in the postseason for that matter.

I don't give a 17 if you cheer or give up, I'm simply saying that you have no way of knowing if next year will mean **** towards Cohen's future, because this year hasn't played out. Then, because you know I'm 17ing right, you have since changed your stance and tried to wiggle out of your original bull **** post that started this whole debate. Your original question was answered, it completely ruined your argument, and you've now resorted to back pedaling and making idiotic posts like the one I'm responding to (for some stupid reason), which have nothing to do with your original stance nor the comments or replies I've made in response to your stance. Bottom line, until the season is over your prediction about next year is nothing but that, so convincing me it's somehow a fact will not happen. You are wrong until we see how this season turns out, period. And one other thing...you said next season will "determine" his job, not "next season will determine if we start calling for his job, which could help in determining his job". Notice how your stance on this issue changes with every single post you make. Stick with your original position, or admit you're wrong, but don't just keep changing it.

 

[SLUdog]

I'm ok with that. Hey, I'm still hopeful we can win 8-9 SEC games and make a regional this year. I'm just saying next year is a pivotal year for Coach Cohen's program.

 

[SLUdog]

but that's ok. I started with hoping we'd win 8 SEC games down the stretch. I hope we turn it around and somehow win the SECT, thenget hot in a regional. I hopeCohen becomes our greatest baseball coach ever and we have to make multiplestatues of him. However, if we sneak into a regional at #3 and lose 2 in 2012, it doesn't change how pivotal next year is for Cohen's tenure. If we have below .500 SEC winning percentageand only sneak into a regional in 2013, we should be looking for a new coach. Having said that, I don't think we will in 2013.

 

[jackstefano]

What is completely lost on most here is that that Cohen's talent is young this year and that the next 2 years are set up for a nice run. Patience is the key.

 

[Coach34]

I'm ok with that. Hey, I'm still hopeful we can win 8-9 SEC games and make a regional this year. I'm just saying next year is a pivotal year for Coach Cohen's program.

 

[MSDawg34]

If by that you mean "giving up" then get a new dictionary. That's not giving up, that's using logic. What have you seen that makes you think we will play any different? We just got swept by one of the worst teams in the league. Our in-game coaching decisions have been atrocious. We have a 33% steal % in SEC play.

At this point I think that we end up with 11 SEC wins and may barely get into the SEC tourney. That's what my whole judge Cohen on next season stems from. It doesn't take a retard to know that if we get hot and make a run that will change us having to evaluate Cohen on 2013.

We all agree that we have a chance to be really good, and should be really good next season. I THINK WE WILL AND THAT COHEN WILL BE HERE FOR YEARS. All I have said is that he better get it done.

I haven't backpedaled or changed one thing. IF this **** continues, THEN next season is make or break for Cohen.

 

[MSDawg34]

nm

 

[Goat Still Grindin]

I see some of your ***** fans are also calling for Bianco's head again. Absolutely mind-boggling how people that we walk amongst can be so GD stupid.

 

[Goat Still Grindin]

Your arguing just looks foolish now. Some of you must have something personal riding on all of this.

 

[CadaverDawg]

And when did South Carolina become one of the worst teams in the league? 27-10 overall, 8-7 in the SEC, and ranked #7 in at least one poll I saw today. Terrible huh? Not to mention back to back National Champs and playing them on their home field. I don't know what's worse....the fact that you said that about South Carolina, the fact that you keep bringing up our steals % like it's the stat that has ruined our year, or the fact that I have been arguing with someone that has made those last two comments.

 

[MSDawg34]

Cadaver hasn't listed "facts" he's just saying wait till the end of the season before talking about next season.

Some of us recognize the opportunity that we have to be great for the next couple of seasons and dont want that wasted. If Cohen cant get it done this and next season he should be replaced

 

[MSDawg34]

Of course its not the only stat but its a microcosm of our problems. We cant hit for power, and when we get runners on we routinely give away outs in the forms of bunts (many of which we screw up) and getting caught stealing. We give the other teams outs when we make tons of errors in the field. USC was 5-7 coming into the series, not exactly worldbeaters. I remember a time when we were #1 in the country, how'd we do that season. Funny how those polls work.