AAU basketball and illegal recruiting question...

Coach34

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All these top players around the nation play AAU ball. And these teams travel all over the US playing basketball to be "seen". The parents of the majority of these kids have meager paying jobs to say the least. I know 20 years ago when we won the American Legion State championship in baseball, it cost my parents about 750.00 to fund my baseball that summer, and all we did was go to Pensacola for the regional. My question:

If alumni of schools who are recruiting these kids arent helping fund AAU- who is? Hotel stays and travel for all these national tourneys arent cheap
 
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Wow. How do you even pretend to know anything about sports?
Let me run it down for you
The shoe companies sponsor the top AAU teams, paying the coaches and organizers, so that if any of those kids become "the real deals" the shoe companies will have an in with them.
The coaches and AAU team sponsers find the top kids in the country to be on thier teams so they can get paid by the shoe companies. The coaches and AAU team sponsers pay all the expenses out of thier pockets, which is indirectly from the shoe companies.
Most college coaches who are "good recruiters" have relationships with the AAU coaches and team sponsers, who channel kids toward those schools if they can. This improves the AAU coaches ability to attract top talent, and makes the college coaches recruiting jobs easier. Instead of traveling around the country to little podunk cities and neighborhoods to recruit, they just go to where the AAU teams are playing

Shoe companies finance the entire deal, and everyone keeps thier "amature status"
 

RebelBruiser

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Gary Parrish also did an article on this. Someone linked it on Nafoom a couple weeks ago.

Apparently, a lot of these AAU coaches also run a "recruiting service/magazine". Essentially they put together a magazine that's basically a list of names of kids in their AAU organization. No helpful information really at all. However, they sell tons of these magazines to college coaches at a steep price. Essentially, to have a shot to recruit a kid that plays for a particular AAU team, you better be a subscriber to the coach's magazine. Some schools even will go as far to have all of their assistants get subscriptions as well to have a better shot at kids. It's all technically legal by NCAA guidelines, and most coaches just see it as the price of doing business.

On top of that, AAU organizations I believe are non-profit, so any alum or booster can make a tax deductible donation to an AAU team that he feels needs the extra jerseys or travel money, and the money can then be funneled by the AAU coach to a particular player's family. And of course when said player shows up at that booster's alma mater, it's just a coincidence and great recruiting.

There is really nothing pretty about basketball recruiting. It's worse than any other recruiting, mainly because there is such an easy loophole that allows the buying and selling of players essentially.

Of course some players still make decisions based on the coach/school/etc. Not all players are for sale, but if a player wants to be for sale, or if an AAU coach wants to sell one, it's easily done. This is also why you don't see many basketball programs get in trouble with the NCAA. It's so easy to get around the rules that you should be able to cheat all you want without having to worry about the NCAA coming down on you. Obviously Kelvin Sampson is just not very good at it.

Edited to add: Hopson was obviously for sale, and obviously Stans and MSU got outbid by Pearl.
 

Coach34

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"On top of that, AAU organizations I believe are non-profit, so any alum or booster can make a tax deductible donation to an AAU team that he feels needs the extra jerseys or travel money, and the money can then be funneled by the AAU coach to a particular player's family. And of course when said player shows up at that booster's alma mater, it's just a coincidence and great recruiting. "

How does basketball get away with this? And why cant football and baseball come up with something like this?
 
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Obviously because the shoe contracts dont finance the infrastructure for football and baseball.
there are no NIKE camps or Addidas Camps....
again, how can be consistently critical of Stans and not know the fundamentals of basketball recruiting?

I am not sayin that some of your criticism are not valid, but this string makes it look like dumb luck when you are occassionally right.
You need a timeout and go away and do a litte research before you break out with the constant criticisms again.
 

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Coach34 said:
How does basketball get away with this? And why cant football and baseball come up with something like this?

Football: Sort of a hard sport to play all year.

Baseball: College baseball doesn't earn the sort of money that would make it worth it. </p>
 
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is the roster size you have to carry to support a football and a baseball team is significantly larger than basketball which means the money to really support either of those sports would go up exponentially.
 

Coach34

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I knew all of this going in. What i'm getting at is the "The NCAA did an anal probe of our basketball program and they didnt find anything" crowd. AAU and the go-betweens are the reason college coaches and especially our coach are not getting caught. To think we werent in that bidding war for Hobson is just fooling yourself. He used us and drained money out of us to make Tenn and Kentucky pay up. That really pisses me off.

I'm also bothered that basketball has this illegal **** going on, yet we cant figure out a better way to do it for football and baseball. Baseball can be done with traveling teams as well, but football would be much harder to skirt the rules.
 

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so dead set on making sure that everyone knows that it is a fact that we cheat.

It's really unbelievable.
 

fishwater99

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This is how AK missed out on Downey when he left Cincy and why he got Holloway this year.
It all comes down to how close you are to the AAU coach.
They have all the control over their players....
 

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fishwater99 said:
This is how AK missed out on Downey when he left Cincy and why he got Holloway this year.
It all comes down to how close you are to the AAU coach.
They have all the control over their players....

</p> exactly, because they are making sure everyone gets paid
 

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Had the roles been reversed in the Hopson deal the entire conference would be talking about how $tan$bury cheated aGAIN. For some reason our fanbase feels the need to point out that we likely cheated to get this player or that player. I have no idea why this is. Is it because we sucked for so long in hoops and football that we feel guilty when we win? All I know is you don't see UT fans talking about how Pearl cheated to get Hopson. No other fanbase does this as far as I know.
 

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Stormrider81 said:
Had the roles been reversed in the Hopson deal the entire conference would be talking about how $tan$bury cheated aGAIN. For some reason our fanbase feels the need to point out that we likely cheated to get this player or that player. I have no idea why this is. Is it because we sucked for so long in hoops and football that we feel guilty when we win? All I know is you don't see UT fans talking about how Pearl cheated to get Hopson. No other fanbase does this as far as I know.

our fans cry foul over the very thing that our own coaches apparently do. you dont find that absurd? so to explain why their view is hypocritical/flat out dumb, others point out that our own coaches apparently do the very same things that those fans are complaining about other coaches doing.

basically, ive always seen the posters who feel the need to point this out(me being one) as ones who are just saying 'shut the F up, its no different than what we do, you have no basis to complain'.

maybe that makes me a bad little bulldog, so sorry.</p>
 

RebelBruiser

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That's because schools like UT feel like it is their given right to cheat and get the top players, so they don't cry foul when they get one.

Pearl definitely funneled cash for Hopson. There is no question about it. And he won't get in trouble, because I'm sure it was done the right way.

I'm not saying that every player in the country is for sale. That's not the case. There are some top prospects that aren't in that financial position and some that actually care more about who they play for. But I will say that there is a higher percentage of prospects in basketball for sale than there are in most other sports. And it's done so often that it's down to a science. As a coach, you just have to know how to pull the strings to get it to work in your favor.

Stans is a great recruiter because of his connections to AAU and he knows how to keep them happy. Same for Jon Calipari and most other basketball coaches.

The only school in the country that I say might be above it is Duke, and that's because they actually do get players from decent backgrounds who are typically concerned with academics. Those types of players aren't usually the ones for sale on the AAU circuit. The types of guys that Stans, Pearl, Gottfried, Calipari, and even Kennedy bring in are all the types that are typically for sale. The only difference for Kennedy is that he hasn't had quite as much time to build connections.