About Senquez Golson

[Todd4State]

I wanted to say this because the thread got locked and I don't want people thinking that I was belittling him- which wasn't my intent at all. I also want to say that I was I was in a profession where an offer of 150K is "belittling".

The person I talked to said that the Red Sox were only able to offer Golson 150K because they had spent most of their allocated money on their top two picks, as well as their other picks. The Red Sox had a budget of between 10-11 million to spend on draft picks (This per the Boston Globe if you want to know my source on the Red Sox draft budget). As of the day of the deadline, they had spent 9 million on draft picks and "other"- foreign- players. That gave the 1-2 million to spend on Golson and all of their other unsigned draft picks.

So, what about the reports of 1.4 million etc? Where is that coming from? Is the Red Sox beat guy wrong? No. Because he is a two sport player, they can spread the money out. They could have agreed to terms where they said "OK, we'll pay 1.3 million, but because of our budget we can only pay you 150K this year, 250K next year, and then 300K the next year, and etc. So, the total offer may have been 1.3 million, but like I said, the initial offer according to my source was 150K.

Believe it or don't believe it.

But one thing I want everyone to be certain of- I was not belittleing him or anyone else.

 

[independencebowlmainstay]

the initial offer was around 150k. But it was nowhere near that the last 3 days. 1.3 isn't right, either, but it is close. I will let you do the math, but the number slightly about 1.3 was spread over 4 years, and it was pretty close to an even distribution. Not exact, but pretty close.

 

[Todd4State]

My source is a guy that I trust on the coast when it comes to Mississippi coast baseball for whatever that's worth.

If he is wrong, he is wrong. But it looks like he wasn't too far off because if my math is right- that comes out to something like 250K for the first year and then something like 260K over the next three.

Like I said, the main thing was I don't want anyone to think I was putting him down.

 

[independencebowlmainstay]

I don't think you were putting him down. The guy last night that said he was an idiot simply didn't know the situation. It's really pretty simple. The kid doesn't care that much for baseball. He wants to play football. It was really not much more to the story than that. Could they have bought him? Sure. But at the end of the day,. I think they looked in the mirror and said" do we really want to give around 1.5mil to a kid that doesn't love the game, and although he has great tools, is a longshot to reach MLB." So they both agreed to part ways. I don't see where either side was wrong in the negotiations.

 

[17thebears]

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[dawgstudent]

Would be hard for me to turn down that type of money. hope it works out for him individually speaking. Hope his college sports teams suck donkey balls.

 

[MD Dawg]

What made Golson such a hot commodity on the diamond? His avg last year was only .345. For an elite high school prospect, I would expect it to be well over .400.

 

[Todd4State]

He's a leadoff type hitter/CF. Had he signed out of high school, it would have taken him several years to reach MLB. He's probably the fastest baseball player in Mississippi last year, and if he's not, he's up there.

One thing about the draft is it's not so much about where someone is at the moment in high school as much as it is where they will be in a few years as an adult after having several seasons of pro coaching.

And yeah, there are plenty of guys that put up ridiculous numbers in high school just because they are freaks of nature and dominate like Kirk Presley and they get drafted high because they are freaks of nature. But it's not always the case. Scouts don't overly concern themselves with raw stats. Things like size, speed, bat speed, mechanics, arm strength, range, etc.- that's what they look at. There's a lot that goes into it. Also, signability is a factor. Teams don't like/want to waste money if they can help it.

Daryl Strawberry was a very raw third baseman out of Crenshaw High in Los Angeles. He didn't have very good high school stats, from what I understand, and of course he was a HOF type talent, who sadly threw it away because of drug abuse- but that's the kind of guy that these scouts are looking for.

 

[rebels21]

actually that quote was before the last few offers on the final day came in......... your still wrong.. scout and rivals both confirm it was well north of a million. 1.3 is what i keep seeing. Its not that it truly matters it just seems like some of the state fans make it much less than it was. I know he is raw, but im just extremely happy that OM will get 9 new players on the baseball diamond that were drafted by MLB this year....

http://mississippi.scout.com/2/1096514.html

http://olemiss.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1252342

 

[17thebears]

His twitter account clearly states it was posted 2 hours ago. If you can't figure the simple math out, that would be 8:20 pm central standard time. That is not last night right before the deadline as the final offers came in. As for your sources of "well north of a million", the source I'm going by is Golson himself who said it was close to seven figures. If I had to imagine, I'm sure an 18 year old boy would exaggerate rather than downplay his offer. (but I could be wrong) State fans are not making it seem like it is much less than it was. The figures that Todd was putting out was over a 4 year span, which is what the 1.3 million is that you are going by. He would not have received 1.3 million dollars last night when he signed the dotted line. Anyways, who cares I'm glad ya'll kept him for football, baseball, basketball, track, and whatever else he wants to play. We will still beat the **** out of ya'll at all the above.

 

[fishwater99]

Nm

 

[Todd4State]

was drafted in the fifth round and got an offer of 400K.

If Gene said that he was offered 1.3 million and some Ole Miss fan said he was only offered 400K, but that the rest of the 1.3 million was spread out over four years- how is that making it "seem less"? It's still the same amount of money.

If Albert Pujols sign a contract for 20 million for five years and I say that he is only getting four million next year, does that "make it seem less" to you?

 

[monkey11508.sixpack]

Please be a more critical reader.

 

[independencebowlmainstay]

I can assure you it was slightly more than 1.4. I don't know where that quote came from and don't really care. Either way, it doesn't matter anymore.

The point is that it wasn't necessarily the kid choosing Ole Miss of Red Sox. It was the kid choosing football over baseball. Had Boston allowed hm to continue playing football, while playing baseball in the summer, it wouldn't have taken that much to sign him. He simply wasn't willing to give up football at this time.

As for the draft, it has turned into a joke. They are offering HS kids in the 6-12 round area money that they aren't giving to college juniors in the sandwich round. What they are telling the juniors is you have one shot to really get paid, and it is now. You won't have that leverage as a senior unless you shoot up draft boards. The are decimating the college game by signing the best HS'ers to large amounts of money, while offering draft eligible JR's less money. An example is the offer Senquez got, while JB Jr got 1.1 million. Also, the Yankees gave their 1st rounder just south of a mil, while giving their 5th or 6th rounder 1.1 mil because he is a HS'er. Again, it's MLB hurting college baseball, and I personally think it sucks.

That being said, Im floored that USM got Robbins and Barron to campus. I thought there was no chance Robbins was going to college. He was the best HS player in the state, and for him to end up @ USM sucks for both of us. Hell, Barron may have been the 2nd best. I just can't believe neither signed.

 

[RebelBruiser]

I don't know much about what the guy did in high school other than what I read, but I would guess that since he chose not to sign with the Red Sox, that will likely mean the end of his chances at pro baseball.

The next 3-4 years he'll be playing both football and baseball, which means for a raw talent like Golson he won't get nearly as much time to work on his swing and the fundamentals that he needs. With football, raw talent, practice time, and games can give you all the development you need. With baseball, you really need that off-season time to develop if you aren't already fundamentally developed.

Just a hunch, but I'll bet he gives us very little on the diamond and ends up way more focused on football.

 

[patdog]

The next 3-4 years he'll be playing both football and baseball

Lots of guys go to college thinking they're going to play both football and baseball. Very few of them actually do. If he does play baseball at UM, he's going to not only miss all that time in the fall, but he's also going to have to decide in the spring if he's going to be part-time baseball and football or if he's going to miss spring practice and falling behind all the others at his position. And since he's on football scholarship, he may not have a whole lot of choice in that decision. Even if he does play baseball too, like you say, he's not going to be able to develop much and probably won't have another shot to go pro in baseball.

Just a hunch, but I'll bet he gives us very little on the diamond and ends up way more focused on football.

I had that very discussion with a UM co-worker yesterday. We both agreed that he'll probably never be a big factor for you in baseball if he plays at all.

 

[olemissbydamn]

I doubt he contributes a ton.