ACC Football Officially Relegated
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Could FSU decline any bowl bids? It would be cutting off their noses to spite their faces. But it would do more damage to the schools that want to keep the conference going than other options. Frankly if all the schools that want to leave turned down bowls it would put the ACC in a difficult spot.
In terms of money, yes there are 2 power conferences. In terms of opportunity the B12/ACC can offer plenty of opportunity for teams to get in. It might not be 3-5 teams like the SEC or B10 but definitely a possibility of 2 decent amount of the time. It's a chance for lower status teams to raise their profiles by having legitimate shot to get in.
Don't forget too, with a P4, unless some G5 has a crazy good year...the ACC and B12 champ will always have a bye game and be in the quarterfinal automatically. You won't be able to have a Washington and Michigan or Texas and Alabama in the top 4 at the same time. The ACC and B12 champ will take 2 of those spots and that's good opportunity for them.
Money is just a means to an end and that end is to win and achieve meaningful goals and teams in the ACC/B12 will have those opportunities.
Don't forget too, with a P4, unless some G5 has a crazy good year...the ACC and B12 champ will always have a bye game and be in the quarterfinal automatically. You won't be able to have a Washington and Michigan or Texas and Alabama in the top 4 at the same time. The ACC and B12 champ will take 2 of those spots and that's good opportunity for them.
Money is just a means to an end and that end is to win and achieve meaningful goals and teams in the ACC/B12 will have those opportunities.
Do they have the TV markets that the B1G goes after? Too many people look at the quality of the program and not how many eyeballs they pull in
When your undefeated conference champ doesn’t get in the four team playoffs, those opportunities are going to be far less.
Acc is in trouble in every way
Yea but it won't be 4 teams in the future and from now on their champ undefeated or not is almost guaranteed a bye unless the G5 team has some awesome year to pass the B12 or ACC.
That's good for Clemson and FSU but it's also opportunity for others down the totem pole. If you're the B12 and no more Texas/Oklahoma then if you're Kansas, KSU, Houston, TCU, UCF, Ok St etc.. you have a legitimate shot at the playoffs and even a bye. That's a great opportunity for those teams to have and raise their profiles.
They won't get the money of the B10 or SEC but money is for what? To try and win and achieve big goals and they can still do that. Just like say a UConn winning a championship in MBB despite not being in a power conference. I don't expect these lower status teams to win a national championship in football like that but they can get to the playoffs, have byes and possibly advance in them which is a very good result.
I don't know but a friend told me today that some boosters proposed that very idea. Just decline the bid
It’s being discussed
I don’t think it’ll happen but it’s definitely on the table
would love if they did
no need to get anyone hurt for a meaningless bowl
makes a very loud statement
puts the discussion and validation back on the committee
puts the ACC leadership on the hotseat
puts ESPN on the defensive
The only good part about this whole thing is it underscores the need to get the hell out of the ACC immediately, and possibly gives them more ammunition to do so, by paying less money and absolving less penalties
that was already known
at least FSU can see that in the SEC, they'd always be a 2nd run
BIG welcomes you with open..........once you get the accreditation of course. Bad enough we had Nebraska but no Oregon is too much to take.
AAU still 7-10 years away
They can’t wait that long being 50+ mil / year behind the 8 ball
Agree people are ignoring they had #55 sos.
Literally half of FBS is told from game 1 “Doesn’t matter if you win every game. Your schedule won’t be good enough to get into the CFP.”
Literally everyone agrees - actual schedule matters not just number of wins or undefeated status.
But then that gets applied to FSU and everyone loses their mind.
It’s like the Joker in Dark Knight:
Everyone is fine leaving out an undefeated G5 because it’s part of the plan. Even if the plan isn’t fair. But apply the same standards to a P5 team and everyone goes crazy.
It doesn’t matter, they’re a power conference. The NFL doesn’t exclude a division champion in favor of a stronger runner up if the division had a down year.
Terrible comparison you will regret trying.
NFL includes EVERY division. There are no fake “power divisions” designations.
If AFC South has a 8-9 winner - they get in.
So are you proposing all 10 conference champs make the playoffs?
Since the FBS CFP is supposed to represent the entire FBS.
College is different from nfl obviously in choosing the final 4 . I have no problem with them not making it especially with a bad SOS
an undefeated power conference champion should get in every time unless you had all 5 P5 champions undefeated. The CFP committee segregates P5/G5 as it is, so it’s not really representative of the whole sport.
This is why I like the expanded playoff, you will not leave out a top team in that format.
I don't know if I'd use the word relegate but one thing is for sure. The ACC bowl tie-ins are a bit rough. FSU has Georgia. ND took the Sun bid and has a ranked Oregon State. Besides that, the ACC opponents are: USF, UCF, Troy, Tulane, WVU, USC, SMU, Us, and Kentucky.
BIG is a different universe: Bama, Tennessee, Ole Miss, LSU, Auburn, Missouri, Miami, Bowling Green, Utah.
BIG is a different universe: Bama, Tennessee, Ole Miss, LSU, Auburn, Missouri, Miami, Bowling Green, Utah.
What more did you want them to do?
They scheduled 2 SEC teams - both underachieved this year
Miami & Clemson supposed to be top teams in conference - both medicore
Rest of conference sucks - they ran through them
What’s the point of playing any games, let alone OOC games, if you’re going to be judged subjectively based on something (teams who were supposed to be good not holding up their end of the bargain) you have absolutely no control over?
The only thing they had control over was playing the teams on the schedule and winning - which, they did to the tune of 13-0
Look I get what your saying, but it’s not quite the same. When G5 teams go undefeated and get left out, it’s typically the case that they truly beat nobody that would be halfway decent at the power level.
Florida State’s resume isn’t that. They have a neutral win over LSU (ranked 13), a neutral win over UofL (ranked 15), and a road win over Clemson (ranked 22). They also beat two pretty good 7-5 teams in the ACC (Duke and Miami) and have 3 additional wins over 6-6 bowl teams in the ACC. They won at Florida by two scores. Going undefeated with this schedule feels like it should be good enough. It wasn’t a cake walk. Now I understand that Alabama played a tougher schedule but I guess that’s why they need to include more than 4 teams.
Big Ten has won 1 National Title in the last 10 years.
The ACC has won 3
Don't bury them yet-------Clemson will get healthy and IMO Miami has a chance to.
The FSU thing was bizarre but IMO the Committee did their job. They put in the best 4 teams.
That history. This is a horrible precedent and would never happen to a B1G or Sec team.
There is proof of that with Cardale Jones whose first start was the B1G championship game as the number 3 QB.
The vast and ever growing payout differential will continue to make the delta bigger and bigger.
Ultimately over time it will be an untenable position. If FSU wanted out before, that’s on steroids now.
There is proof of that with Cardale Jones whose first start was the B1G championship game as the number 3 QB.
The vast and ever growing payout differential will continue to make the delta bigger and bigger.
Ultimately over time it will be an untenable position. If FSU wanted out before, that’s on steroids now.
The problem is and always will be the television contacts being different for different conferences. You don’t see the board of directors of the Patriots threatening to leave the AFC East for the NFC East because it has the bigger name teams … The league has 1 television contract. If the NCAA had any brains they’d take on the CFB playoff , negotiate the TV deals for CFB and maje the conferences regional again
Can they do that for football only? Don't think that schools are going to want to cut themselves out of the basketball tournament.
This is one of those years where you need 6 (add Georgia and FSU). Do a round-robin, 3 vs 6, 4 vs 5, top two get a bye.
BC made their CG two years in a row, 2007 & 2008. Personally I think the CTE stuff hit northeastern FB particularly hard with less kids play HS FB thus a smaller pool for colleges to pick from. This was predicted back then.
FSU filed suit against the ACC today. It's the beginning of the end.
I’ve long said the GOR will be challenged in court. I’ve also said it will be settled for less than the contract otherwise stipulates.
On a side note this is officially the start of the end of the Acc. A healthy conference doesn’t have members suing it in court wanting to get out. Wheels are officially off the bus.
On a side note this is officially the start of the end of the Acc. A healthy conference doesn’t have members suing it in court wanting to get out. Wheels are officially off the bus.