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Why would we be interested in a DC that got run out of town at georgia? Holy ****! Please make this **** stop.
It would make more sense for Mullen to hire Martinez than it did for him to hire Torbush, but that is a pretty low standard. I never understood how you could, in good conscience, hire a guy to run your defense when you once hung 70+ on him. At least Martinez has beaten Mullen.
UGH! I can't properly explain to anyone just how much I would abhor this hire if we made it. It would cause me to seriously question Mullen's ability and honestly already has if he is even a legitimate candidate. Here are UGA's defensive numbers since Martinez took over in 2005:
2005: scoring defense - 4th; total defense - 11th
2006: scoring defense - 21st; total defense - 9th
2007: scoring defense - 28th; total defense - 20th
2008: scoring defense - 64th; total defense - 28th
2009: scoring defense - 70th; total defense - 30th
That's really all you need to know. You cannot hire someone who has seen that kind of downward progression. The only reason he had success early on was because UGA was an established defense at the time. They were a top 3 or 4 defense in 2003 and top 15 in 2004. They have slowly deteriorated into a sub-par SEC defense despite all that talent. Heck, we allowed fewer points in 2008 and only .4 more this year. It would be an absolutely atrocious hire. I went to UGA for 3 years, and I literally don't know a single person who thinks anything positive of Martinez. He did nothing to deserve the UGA job, either. He spent one mediocre year as DC at Central Michigan, then moved to secondary coach at UGA, where he established a friendship with Richt that got him that job, and he has spent 5 years derailing UGA's defense. UGA fans couldn't stand him and had called for his firing for 3 years. The only reason he kept his job was Richt, and it tells me everything that Richt still fired him despite their friendship because Richt is fiercely loyal. I would be far less optimistic about the future of our program if we hired Martinez. Hire Diaz, and I will feel fantastic; Martinez, and we might not be bowling next year even with Newton.
2005: scoring defense - 4th; total defense - 11th
2006: scoring defense - 21st; total defense - 9th
2007: scoring defense - 28th; total defense - 20th
2008: scoring defense - 64th; total defense - 28th
2009: scoring defense - 70th; total defense - 30th
That's really all you need to know. You cannot hire someone who has seen that kind of downward progression. The only reason he had success early on was because UGA was an established defense at the time. They were a top 3 or 4 defense in 2003 and top 15 in 2004. They have slowly deteriorated into a sub-par SEC defense despite all that talent. Heck, we allowed fewer points in 2008 and only .4 more this year. It would be an absolutely atrocious hire. I went to UGA for 3 years, and I literally don't know a single person who thinks anything positive of Martinez. He did nothing to deserve the UGA job, either. He spent one mediocre year as DC at Central Michigan, then moved to secondary coach at UGA, where he established a friendship with Richt that got him that job, and he has spent 5 years derailing UGA's defense. UGA fans couldn't stand him and had called for his firing for 3 years. The only reason he kept his job was Richt, and it tells me everything that Richt still fired him despite their friendship because Richt is fiercely loyal. I would be far less optimistic about the future of our program if we hired Martinez. Hire Diaz, and I will feel fantastic; Martinez, and we might not be bowling next year even with Newton.
His worst year ever at UGA was this year, where he was 30th nationally in total defense and 7th in the SEC. Again this is total defense, not scoring defense.
2009: 328.42 YPG, 30th NCAA
2008: 312.00 YPG, 22nd NCAA
2007: 323.23 YPG, 14th NCAA
2006: 258.23 YPG, 8th NCAA
2009: 328.42 YPG, 30th NCAA
2008: 312.00 YPG, 22nd NCAA
2007: 323.23 YPG, 14th NCAA
2006: 258.23 YPG, 8th NCAA
I mean they didn't get lit up by Az St, or OSU. Florida took it to them. But in 07, they went 11-2 and in 09 they went 7-5 all while giving up a difference of 5 yards per game. The difference is somehow they gave up a crap ton more points, but i'm not sure how to process whether or not that's the direct result of Martinez's schemes and game planning.
I see where you're coming from, but I would offer two counterarguments. First, with the talent he's had to work with, the defense dropping out of the top 25 nationally and top half of the SEC is bad enough in itself. He's clearly not a great DC at absolute best, and I don't know why we'd want him. Second, since his second year, the scoring defense below total defense seems to be a trend. You wouldn't expect scoring defense to be 40 spots lower than total defense two years in a row. That tells me that it's not a fluke. It seems that either his red zone defense is severely lacking or his defenses tend to do fairly well except that they give up big plays and allow points off of them too often. Either way, it's not something I want, especially with this team. If his scoring defense has been no better than ours the last two years with that talent, I don't want to see what would happen with our talent. We are bringing in some young guys with potential, and I don't want to see it wasted by Martinez.
And I'm not on the Martinez bandwagon by any means. But...
Mullen knows his skills are not on the defensive side of the ball. I'm just not sure he is going to feel comfortable turning the reigns of the defense over to an up and comer such as Diaz who only has 1 year of playcalling under his belt. He went with a veteran in Torbush, and even if it's not Martinez, I feel that's what he may do again. Mullen knows he doesn't have the luxury of having a DC on a learning curve. He needs someone who can step in here from day 1 and know what he's going to run against SEC competition.
Could the scoring defense be so far out of whack because of SOS?
SOS
2009: 2
2008: 11
2007: 23
2006: 24
Mullen knows his skills are not on the defensive side of the ball. I'm just not sure he is going to feel comfortable turning the reigns of the defense over to an up and comer such as Diaz who only has 1 year of playcalling under his belt. He went with a veteran in Torbush, and even if it's not Martinez, I feel that's what he may do again. Mullen knows he doesn't have the luxury of having a DC on a learning curve. He needs someone who can step in here from day 1 and know what he's going to run against SEC competition.
Could the scoring defense be so far out of whack because of SOS?
SOS
2009: 2
2008: 11
2007: 23
2006: 24
You may be right about the schedule, but our schedule was basically the same and so was our scoring defense with far less talent. I can't imagine that number would improve next year with Martinez.
And I get the idea of Mullen wanting a guy who truly knows defense, but he can't keep making hires on that. He made a questionable hire in Torbush just because he was old and had been a head coach, basically, and if he went after Martinez just because he had been around longer and not because he was a better option, that would worry me immensely. Sooner or later, you have to hire the best guy for the job or you're going to dig your own grave. I feel confident we won't hire Martinez, but I am certainly worried that his name is even being mentioned. He is simply, at best, a completely mediocre coach and, at worst, a terrible one. Fantastic; again, why would he even be considered by anybody, really? Seems he should be demoted to a position coach.
And I get the idea of Mullen wanting a guy who truly knows defense, but he can't keep making hires on that. He made a questionable hire in Torbush just because he was old and had been a head coach, basically, and if he went after Martinez just because he had been around longer and not because he was a better option, that would worry me immensely. Sooner or later, you have to hire the best guy for the job or you're going to dig your own grave. I feel confident we won't hire Martinez, but I am certainly worried that his name is even being mentioned. He is simply, at best, a completely mediocre coach and, at worst, a terrible one. Fantastic; again, why would he even be considered by anybody, really? Seems he should be demoted to a position coach.