Taylor Pruitt<s>@</s>TaylorPruittAU
Malzahn is building a coaching powerhouse at Auburn...he must really be selling something good when he contacts these guys.
According to this Auburn fan, Croom must have been a visionary.
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Taylor Pruitt<s>@</s>TaylorPruittAU
Malzahn is building a coaching powerhouse at Auburn...he must really be selling something good when he contacts these guys.
Hell, according to some of the revisionists here he was. Outstanding at putting together a staff (they conveniently forget about McCorvey and how he would fire himself before he'd fire an assistant). Outstanding at recruiting (they also forgot about him falling asleep on a recruit's couch and never once landing that blue chip). Next we'll be told about his excellent gameday execution and that all coaches will one day be burning their "secret weapon" redshirt 10 games into the season and punting from the opponent's 30. All he needed was seven years!
Yeah, it sux watching a team that plays hard and have no drama that makes the school look bad
Croom landed a few blue chippers. Off hand I can think of Pegues, Elliot, Sherrod, Charles Mitchell, Anthony Dixon.
They were all fairly highly rated, but I'd call Pegues the only real blue chip out of those. Still, that's one.
Yeah I can agree with that. But the recruiting coup of Elliot was very impressive. I don't think Croom was a great recruiter by any means, but I think he gets bashed for it way more than he should. He also had several good prospects committed to MSU when Mullen was hired that went on to be major contributors.
I knew you were always a Rebel fan.
Anyone that has a Sandberg jersey as their avatar is fine with me, and anyone who's vision for MSU basketball is a sub .500 record is ok with me.
I bet you have a closet full of North Face and Lacoste clothing as well. Welcome to the dark side.
Anyone that has a Sandberg jersey as their avatar is fine with me, and anyone who's vision for MSU basketball is a sub .500 record is ok with me.
I bet you have a closet full of North Face and Lacoste clothing as well. Welcome to the dark side.
Nope just picked a username way back when, before the message boards became polarized and never changed it. Im pretty sure I was in law school.
Just like every other OM fan I have MSU friends and family members and believe it or not we don't hate each other. Sounds crazy, but its true. Two of my best friends growing up are the biggest MSU fans on the planet and I mean that in every way possible.
Im really interested in the "The players are hustling and that is what I want" mantra sticks with Ray. I get the idea, and I understand it, but I also understand that getting your brains kicked in while trying really hard gets old really, really fast. If he wins less than 10 this year and doesn't break .500 next year I can't imagine him not coaching for his job in year three.
Just like every other OM fan I have MSU friends and family members and believe it or not we don't hate each other. Sounds crazy, but its true. Two of my best friends growing up are the biggest MSU fans on the planet and I mean that in every way possible.
Im really interested in the "The players are hustling and that is what I want" mantra sticks with Ray. I get the idea, and I understand it, but I also understand that getting your brains kicked in while trying really hard gets old really, really fast. If he wins less than 10 this year and doesn't break .500 next year I can't imagine him not coaching for his job in year three.
I'm fine with that scenario. What we could not continue to do was recruit a team full of cancers, not hold them accountable to anyone, and in the process squander the talent they had while not making the NCAA tournament and advancing. If you look at our lineup and rotations from the last 6-8 years, there's no excuse for not having more results than we have to show. The only difference in this year and next year is we know there is no shot at the NCAAs. By year three, we should at least enter the season thinking we have a chance. He has to recruit well and continue to hold players accountable while developing as a coach. That's a big job, but he's getting paid a lot of money to do it.
Its easy to say that you are fine with that scenario now.
Give it two years and 30 SEC losses and get back to me.
MSU fans don't realize that OM fans had a coach that didn't recruit cancers, did hold players accountable, coached great defense, and had a decent offensive system. He won 17 SEC games in his last four years.
I grew up a Bob Knight fan. I played basketball in High School under a coach who made the 7th through JV teams run the same motion offense. Personally I hate AK and Stans' offense where there are no screens, very little movement and basically the looks of no organization. The problem that I see is that the recruiting base for teams in the SEC is terrible. By that I mean the players that OM and MSU can sign come in with very little basketball skill. They can normally jump out of gym and are athletic as hell, but don't block out, can't make an entry pass and very rarely understand how to properly run off a pick.
It seems to me there are two ways you can go in college basketball and be successful - the UK route get as much talent as possible and out talent teams, scheme be damned. The Butler route get players that are as fundamentally sound as possible and sprinkle in some extremely good college players that probably have no shot at the NBA. The problem that I see for OM and MSU is that we can't sign the NBA players and the fundamentally sound players aren't in our recruiting area. Personally I think MSU and OM should start recruiting players from other areas that aren't being taught how to play basketball in Mississippi. I think the basketball is crap and the coaching is even worse.
There is a reason that teams in these middle tier conferences are becoming tourney teams and that is because they are finding players that understand the game of basketball and are fitting them into a system that works. Trying to cram a kid from Murrah into a motion based offense and ask him to set pick after pick is just silly, when he has spent his whole life probably playing a very easy to follow offense like the ones AK and Stans use to run.
Give it two years and 30 SEC losses and get back to me.
MSU fans don't realize that OM fans had a coach that didn't recruit cancers, did hold players accountable, coached great defense, and had a decent offensive system. He won 17 SEC games in his last four years.
I grew up a Bob Knight fan. I played basketball in High School under a coach who made the 7th through JV teams run the same motion offense. Personally I hate AK and Stans' offense where there are no screens, very little movement and basically the looks of no organization. The problem that I see is that the recruiting base for teams in the SEC is terrible. By that I mean the players that OM and MSU can sign come in with very little basketball skill. They can normally jump out of gym and are athletic as hell, but don't block out, can't make an entry pass and very rarely understand how to properly run off a pick.
It seems to me there are two ways you can go in college basketball and be successful - the UK route get as much talent as possible and out talent teams, scheme be damned. The Butler route get players that are as fundamentally sound as possible and sprinkle in some extremely good college players that probably have no shot at the NBA. The problem that I see for OM and MSU is that we can't sign the NBA players and the fundamentally sound players aren't in our recruiting area. Personally I think MSU and OM should start recruiting players from other areas that aren't being taught how to play basketball in Mississippi. I think the basketball is crap and the coaching is even worse.
There is a reason that teams in these middle tier conferences are becoming tourney teams and that is because they are finding players that understand the game of basketball and are fitting them into a system that works. Trying to cram a kid from Murrah into a motion based offense and ask him to set pick after pick is just silly, when he has spent his whole life probably playing a very easy to follow offense like the ones AK and Stans use to run.
Stans way would have been just fine if he could have controlled them. He succeeded with Roberts/Power and those guys because they were somewhat mature (like you say, coming from somewhere else). Bowers was an outlier coming from MS with that much maturity.
When we started getting the Gordons and then finally Sidney, Stans lost it. He needed a King Jackie type to come in there and control the asylum.
Calipari routinely chews his guys out publicly. I wonder how much longer some of them will take it before they punch him. But it works.
When we started getting the Gordons and then finally Sidney, Stans lost it. He needed a King Jackie type to come in there and control the asylum.
Calipari routinely chews his guys out publicly. I wonder how much longer some of them will take it before they punch him. But it works.
All from MS too. MSU will automatically have a good shot with those guys. Croom did fine except for recruiting QBs and WRs, and actually running the offense. Sucked on ST too. I can't believe so many ***** about Mullen's ST, I think it's because Croom's is being forgotten.