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Yeah but if you even have a chance to be a good college player for left about pro, you can make alot more in college than the G.
Only highly regarded players are going straight to the G league, so they are generally the equivalent of one and done players and they make about $500K for their year in the G league. They might be able to make a little more money in college, but their game will likely develop more in the G league and they will be more NBA ready. Take Jalen Green as an example, he went to the G league for a year, got drafted 2nd the following year and signed a 4 year $40 mil contract. He averaged almost 18 points a game in his rookie year and 22 points a game his 2nd year. He likely would not have been drafted as high or progressed as much as he has so far if he played in college vs. the G league.
 
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PSAL_Hoops

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If you are a hyper competitive athlete, you want to prove you are among the best as soon as you can. And it is unlikely one and dones can ever make more money in college, the last draft pick of the first round makes about $2 mil a year, the top pick averages $10 mil. And the path to making much bigger money is getting to your second contract when the number can explode, so it makes no sense to delay getting to that. And you are also not factoring in all the advertising money pro players make separate from their basketball contracts.
If NIL continues like this, there are no financial limits. Miami has donors who would pay $10M a year for a star. So does Auburn. I don’t buy the competitive thing. If a college team is going to match your pay in the NBA for 4 years, the college contract is a better deal. Less pressure and less work for the same pay. Also - if this becomes the “thing” to do, doesn’t the competition in college improve too as a result?
 

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Only highly regarded players are going straight to the G league, so they are generally the equivalent of one and done players and they make about $500K for their year in the G league. They might be able to make a little more money in college, but their game will likely develop more in the G league and they will be more NBA ready. Take Jalen Green as an example, he went to the G league for a year, got drafted 2nd the following year and signed a 4 year $40 mil contract. He averaged almost 18 points a game in his rookie year and 22 points a game his 2nd year. He likely would not have been drafted as high or progressed as much as he has so far if he played in college vs. the G league.
I would not say their game improves more in the g league then in college - more their skills required for the NBA. Their overall game develops more under a solid college coach.
 

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If NIL continues like this, there are no financial limits. Miami has donors who would pay $10M a year for a star. So does Auburn. I don’t buy the competitive thing. If a college team is going to match your pay in the NBA for 4 years, the college contract is a better deal. Less pressure and less work for the same pay. Also - if this becomes the “thing” to do, doesn’t the competition in college improve too as a result?
sounds like nothing has changed from old days to current...
 

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Hollis Copeland. ? Phil still the best we ever recruited until proven otherwise.

Arguably #1 in country that class.

Dabney also multitalented.
And don't forget, no dunking allowed in that Final Four team era. No telling how many Dabney, Bailey, Copeland etc would have had
 
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And don't forget, no dunking allowed in that Final Four team era. No telling how many Dabney, Bailey, Copeland etc would have had
Good point.. There was no 3 point shot back then either, nor was there a shot clock... Certain teams like Princeton could hold the ball forever, decreasing the number of offensive possessions for RU.

The ban on dunking in NCAA basketball was lifted starting in 1976-1977, the season after our Final Four appearance. So during Hollis Copeland's last 2 seasons and James Bailey's last 3 seasons at RU, dunking was allowed. (Phil Sellers and Mike Dabney didn't have that option since the Final Four year was their final season at RU.)
 

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Lol no one was getting a 10 spot to play college basketball in the past.

It was 500k-1M tops for the cream of the crop.

Teams also weren't receiving $100m per year in media revenue.
Maybe that should be capped too?
For "equality" across all colleges.
 

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If NIL continues like this, there are no financial limits. Miami has donors who would pay $10M a year for a star. So does Auburn. I don’t buy the competitive thing. If a college team is going to match your pay in the NBA for 4 years, the college contract is a better deal. Less pressure and less work for the same pay. Also - if this becomes the “thing” to do, doesn’t the competition in college improve too as a result?
Do NBA players have pensions that might be affected by years of play?
 

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Do NBA players have pensions that might be affected by years of play?

Don't listen to them - they are completely wrong.

It's extremely rare that a player would turn down the NBA (Filipowski at Duke is an extremely outlier).

Alsp, it's not about the first contract.
Even if the 4 year college pay matched the 4 year NBA pay.

It's about getting to the NBA ASAP so you can get to the 2nd contract/rookie extension (and make $30-40m/year and going up each year).

The only players would will stay are players that aren't valued in the NBA.
 

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The highlight ree dunks are fun and all. But he won’t get a lot of those off the bounce at the college level.

What is really good to see in that reel is the defensive effort and court vision he displays. That stuff translates immediately.
 

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Don't listen to them - they are completely wrong.

It's extremely rare that a player would turn down the NBA (Filipowski at Duke is an extremely outlier).

Alsp, it's not about the first contract.
Even if the 4 year college pay matched the 4 year NBA pay.

It's about getting to the NBA ASAP so you can get to the 2nd contract/rookie extension (and make $30-40m/year and going up each year).

The only players would will stay are players that aren't valued in the NBA.
THIS! Especially for guys like Ace - who are almost guaranteed lottery picks and 2nd contract guys.
Prob too many other guys think like that too - but it makes sense for guys like Ace.
 
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The highlight ree dunks are fun and all. But he won’t get a lot of those off the bounce at the college level.

What is really good to see in that reel is the defensive effort and court vision he displays. That stuff translates immediately.
He will if he's jumping higher than everyone else.
 

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KD as a FR at Texas - 25.8 ppg and 11.1 rebounds on 40% 3-point shooting
I think we should lower our expectations from Ace being KD
That why I said potentially. Durant was #2 in his recruiting class behind Greg Oden. He was a thin 6'10 forward with very good ball handling and could shoot the 3. Sounds familiar?

Ace isn't as skilled. Yet. But he's quicker and more explosive.
 

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That why I said potentially. Durant was #2 in his recruiting class behind Greg Oden. He was a thin 6'10 forward with very good ball handling and could shoot the 3. Sounds familiar?

Ace isn't as skilled. Yet. But he's quicker and more explosive.
Lots of players are quicker and more explosive than Kevin Durant, including most of the players in the NBA. He is one of the best shooters of all time, at all 3 levels, that is why he is so great.
 

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That why I said potentially. Durant was #2 in his recruiting class behind Greg Oden. He was a thin 6'10 forward with very good ball handling and could shoot the 3. Sounds familiar?

Ace isn't as skilled. Yet. But he's quicker and more explosive.
Their games right now are not familiar actually.
 
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If you can't compare the #2 overall 5 star one and done NBA prospect to elite NBA players, when can you?
KD isn't just an elite player.
I'll use VORP because it's easy
KD was drafted in 2007- he has about 80 VORP, next best from the 2007 draft has 40 (Al Horford)
going back from KD
2006 - Kyle Lowry is tops with 42
2005 - Chris Paul is tops with 96, 2nd in that draft has 28
2004 - Andre Igudala is tops with 41
2003 - Lebron 146, D Wade 62.8
going forward
2008 - Westbrook 57
2009 - Harden 76, Steph 65
2010 - Paul George 40

Also take into account the uniqueness of KD
It's an incredibly unfair comparison for Ace
 

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OMG people, I'm not saying he's guaranteed to be the next Kevin Durant I'm saying he has a ceiling that is THAT high. They're both thin 6'10 wings that can handle the ball well and score at multiple levels.

He's got the size, athleticism, bbiq, ball handling ability to be an absolute stud in the NBA.
 

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Lots of players are quicker and more explosive than Kevin Durant, including most of the players in the NBA. He is one of the best shooters of all time, at all 3 levels, that is why he is so great.
At 6'10 with those types of handles? Who?