After seeing the "Fire Mullen" threads

[msuJD164]

over the last few weeks, I was curious, what do most of you honestly think would have to happen with the remaining schedule for that to happen? if at all?

Thursday Oct. 24		Kentucky Wildcats Davis Wade Stadium, Starkville, MS	6:30 p.m. CT ESPN
Saturday Nov. 2		at South Carolina Gamecocks Williams-Brice Stadium, Columbia, SC	11:21 a.m. CT SECN/ESPN3
Saturday Nov. 9		at Texas A&M Aggies Kyle Field, College Station, TX	TBA
Saturday Nov. 16		Alabama Crimson Tide Davis Wade Stadium, Starkville, MS	TBA
Saturday Nov. 23		at Arkansas Razorbacks War Memorial Stadium, Little Rock, AR	TBA
Thursday Nov. 28		Ole Miss Rebels Davis Wade Stadium, Starkville, MS	6:30 p.m. CT ESPN

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[SkullCandy.sixpack]

Lose all 6 and get blown out in the Egg Bowl. Nothing less.

 

[dawgstudent]

He would have to lose out and then it would be under consideration and I necessarily wouldn't fire him even if that happened.

 

[msuJD164]

I agree. I actually believe there is a shot that could happen.First time under Mullen I haven't been sold on a Kentucky win.

 

[SignalToNoise]

Lose out and the money folks are going to push for something to happen, or so I've heard.

 

[seb304]

Really?

You wouldn't fire him for losing out? I can't think of anything more automatic.

 

[57stratdawg]

Assuming we don't pick off South Car or TAM, he needs to win the Egg Bowl for everyone to feel okay. If we go 5-7 with an Egg Bowl loss, it will be a rough off season but I don't think he'd get fired.

 

[Sutterkane]

Agreed. Lose out or finish with less than 5 wins and I think you push for staff changes, but not head coaching change.

 

[SkullCandy.sixpack]

I think we pick off one of USCe or ATM. I just feel it. If USCe loses to Missouri this weekend, they will likely drop out of the polls and won't count as our "signature" win against a ranked opponent. That's why it will probably happen.** I also think we could lose one of Arky or Kentucky.

I have NO idea on the Egg Bowl. Depends most on the bear injury report and which "Dr Bo" shows up. Also, if the bears beat Missouri (which could happen in Oxford--I'm not sold on Missou as a top 5 team) we could be a serious trap game after an emotional win for them.

 

[maroonmadman]

It won't happen this year. 3 straight bowl games and 3 of 4 over TSUN. He gets a hall pass on this year imo. Next year if he ***** the bed he will be gone. The rational folks among us - those with an actual brain in their cranial cavity - had us at 6-7 wins max this year and possible lower tier bowl game. We may still get there. I'm not going to bet the farm on it though.

 

[UIUCDog]

We had staff changes last offseason and it doesn’t seem to have made a big impact. I’m not sure I’d demand even MORE staff changes.

If I were the AD and we were to lose out, I’d either fire him or tell him he has one more year to right the ship, however he sees fit. And that he had better win 8 regular season games.

I don’t think we lose out. I do expect us to beat UK and maybe Arkansas. Right now beating OM looks unlikely, but my feelings on that change from week to week. We will get killed by everyone else.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

Really? You think we lose all 6? If that happens it would be a first for coach with career winning record in this conference. I know Spurrier lost his last five in 07 at So Carolina. Had bad ends in 08 and 09 as well. We will see. As it stands right now, statistically we should win at least two more games. I do think how we play in those games will have a lot bearing and 0-6 or 1-5 with some really bad losses would bring change sooner rather than later.

 

[LandArchDawg]

I'm not in the fire Mullen camp, but I would like to see some changes in attitude and possibly the offensive staff. However, if we lose all 6 of those games, that would get my attention and draw my ire, though.

Next year is the nut-cutting time for Dan. If we have the same level of underachievement next year, then I think some of the chatter will be justified.

 

[Son of 34]

What if...

We have a slim win vs. Kentucky and lose the rest by double digits. I honestly don't see how he gets out of that scenario.

I say he has to beat Uk and Arkansas or wins 1 out of Bama, A&M, and tsun.

 

[msuJD164]

Really? You think we lose all 6? If that happens it would be a first for coach with career winning record in this conference. I know Spurrier lost his last five in 07 at So Carolina. Had bad ends in 08 and 09 as well. We will see. As it stands right now, statistically we should win at least two more games. I do think how we play in those games will have a lot bearing and 0-6 or 1-5 with some really bad losses would bring change sooner rather than later.

I am saying I am not 100% on ANY of the remaining games. Are You?

 

[DovaDawg]

See that is the funny part. Many people are acting like this is just a bad year. The actuality of the situation is that this is bad year number two. Every problem we are seeing this year actually emerged last year during the slide and has failed to be corrected this year. If Mullen loses out this year without getting fired and we see a continuation next season, then we potentially end up with a mid-season firing.

 

[PBRME]

Finish under .500 and 14 point or worse loss in the EB and all bets are off. I have faith we'll be better next season, but we need a strong finish this season.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

Yes. 100% sure he won't lose all 6 games. Of course that would be foolish as no one can see the future. I just can't us loosing all 6 especially looking at it from a historical perspective. I look at it in a big picture analysis kind of way I guess. He has a better chance to win 2, 3, or even 4 than to lose all six. I see why your saying that tho if you just look game by game. I will say tho a loss to Kentucky at home will make the odds of us winning 1-2 more of the last five even less. Probably will still win one but the odds shrink.

 

[Snog]

Agreed. These are not new problems. The guy has been pulling up the rear in league recruiting and now coaching decisions are syncing up with recruiting.

I don't see this ending well at all.

 

[civildawg88]

If he were to lose out, there is no way you dont fire him. Seriously? 3-9 and you dont fire him?

 

[Toby Nash]

I think we'd have to lose out for it to even be considered, and I sincerely doubt that would cause a change to be made. He'll probably be given another year no matter what happens.

Now, if it starts to look like Mullen has lost the team and that leads to blow out losses(especially against UM), that might lead to action being taken. Barring that, he'll get another chance.

The most likely scenario for a change is if we have a decent year next year, and Mullen is offered another job.

 

[Lee Corso]

Many of us wanted to get rid of Sherrill, also. He fortunately got better after 1997.

1993 3-6-2
1995 3-8
1996 5-6

 

[jb1020]

Losing out puts us at 0-8 in the SEC

has a coach ever been brought back after that? The "staff changes" usual signal the end.

Lose out and he's got to go. With the expansion opening up we have to have a shred of excitement to cling too.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

Bobby Johson at Vanderbilt was 0-8 after his first year but a different scenario. The other 4 times in the last 10 years it happened they didn't last. However in recent memory (last decade) the only coach that had a overall winning record after at least four seasons to go 0-8 is Nutt. Before that? Sherrill I believe had a winning record here before his last year and then went 0-8 that year and was fired.

 

[57stratdawg]

It won't happen this year. 3 straight bowl games and 3 of 4 over TSUN. He gets a hall pass on this year imo. Next year if he ***** the bed he will be gone. The rational folks among us - those with an actual brain in their cranial cavity - had us at 6-7 wins max this year and possible lower tier bowl game. We may still get there. I'm not going to bet the farm on it though.

I agree for the most part, but 5 or fewer wins AND an EB loss and the damage is done.

 

[msuJD164]

Yes. 100% sure he won't lose all 6 games. Of course that would be foolish as no one can see the future. I just can't us loosing all 6 especially looking at it from a historical perspective. I look at it in a big picture analysis kind of way I guess. He has a better chance to win 2, 3, or even 4 than to lose all six. I see why your saying that tho if you just look game by game. I will say tho a loss to Kentucky at home will make the odds of us winning 1-2 more of the last five even less. Probably will still win one but the odds shrink.

Im not saying are you 100% on not losing all six games. Take each game individually. Is there any of those that you think there is no chance we lose?

 

[jb1020]

Pretty sure JWS never went 0-8

I could be wrong though.

So yeah...you kinda made my point. Bringing back a coach that goes 0-8 is essentially not caring about football, or caring about it like Vandy cared about it.

I used to think it was pretty cool we've never had a whole lot of turnover in the major 3 sports as far as head coaches go. After bringing Polk back, letting JWS drive the progam into the ground then Stans doing the same thing maybe we need to start pulling the trigger a little faster.

You don't ever know until its too late, but when you have a guy like Hud doing what he doing there and you're barely scraping by with a coach you've had 5 years now you've got to wonder...is it the right time?

Five years later I'd like to think facing a 1-5 Kentucky team at home was an automatic W.

 

[Strike.sixpack]

Like I said if you look at it game by game I can see why you might think that. But the thought was, you can see us losing all six and that's not looking at each game that's looking at the last part of the season. Can you not also see us winning 2-3 of the remaining games as well?

 

[patdog]

Even I would want him fired if we lose out.

 

[121Josey]

Lose out?

over the last few weeks, I was curious, what do most of you honestly think would have to happen with the remaining schedule for that to happen? if at all?

Seriously? A loss to Kentucky will do it. A loss to Kentucky would inaugurate State's descent to the cellar. It would be Mullen's "signiture loss". His Troy 2001.

How would you spin it? Blame it on an empty student section? A trap game? He's had a week and a half to prepare. A lot of starters were resting during the Bowling Green game.

I don't believe the upset would happen. But if people are upset over TSUN, might as well inaugurate the Hud era while he still has talent to work with.

 

[johnson86-1]

1-5 with a win over UK, and ULL goes 10-2 and I think it's a slim possibility. While it will look bad to outsiders to fire him after three straight bowl games, that would be two years in a row where he lost teams and two full years without the his team actually stepping up to compete against a team of equal or better talent. It would still taking some money people stepping up and saying it has to happen.

0-6 I would hope it would happen. That would be inexcusable.

2 and 4 with a loss to Ole Miss will be the beginning of the end for Dan. He won't get fired this year, but it would take at least an 8 win season next year with at least a win over Ole Miss if not a win over a top team to erase the bad taste from people's mouth.

 

[Son of 34]

I highly doubt he'll be hired away next season given his recent track record. But I can honestly see Strickilin not pulling the cord on him after only beating Kentucky.

Who knows. He might prove a lot of us wrong next season.

 

[dawgstudent]

I didn't state my original post correctly. That's my bad. I would want him gone but I don't think we would do it.

 

[MonroeDawg2]

See that is the funny part. Many people are acting like this is just a bad year. The actuality of the situation is that this is bad year number two. Every problem we are seeing this year actually emerged last year during the slide and has failed to be corrected this year. If Mullen loses out this year without getting fired and we see a continuation next season, then we potentially end up with a mid-season firing.

^^Nail on head

 

[Strike.sixpack]

His next to last year he was 0-8 then 1-7 his last year. I looked at the wrong time sorry.

I will say I believe that the magic number for wins for the year is 5 at least. There are only a couple of examples of coaches that were successful (around .500 or better in wins) that overcame a 4 win season or less and came back to have more than one 8+ seasons afterward. Sherrill of course, Nutt and Brewer. That's the only ones I can think of since 1980.

 

[StillTbonewannabe]

What if we lose out and Bama, A&M, and UM loses are same score. We lost Bama and A&M getting off the bus and UM dominated the 2nd half with "relentless effort'.

 

[Hanmudog]

I am not happy at all with how we have played this season but at the end of the day most of us thought we would be somewhere between 7-5 at best and 5-7 at worst this season based off the schedule alone so there is definitely a degree of over-reaction to our current situation at 3-3.

I think 4 wins would justify some serious heat put to Mullen but not sure about his firing.

 

[Sutterkane]

We have staff changes every season. We haven't had forced staff changes for performance reasons in a while.

 

[2001OleMiss]

Good lord, y'all are losing your minds. There is no way you are losing to Kentucky or Arkansas. They are both pathetic, as in worse than BG. Y'all have really had your minds tainted by ole miss winning this week. Damn, take a step back.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Are you the new Rick Cleveland or what ?